Prince Original Graphite ( POG ) Mid and OS versions

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  1. GS

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    I loved the POG mid, but wanted a bigger headsize, and didn't like any of Prince's other graphite midplus models. When I tried the OS, that big head just felt too big. So when TW started selling the POG Longbody with its 100 inch head, it felt perfect (cut down to 27.5"), so I bought 5 of em while I could.
     
  2. mistapooh

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    I thought the youtek prestige pro would have been a good replacement for me, but it's just not the same : (. I'm sticking with the exo3 mids until the newer wilsons debut or the next iteration of the POGs appear.
     
  3. GS

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    My hitting partner loves my POG Longbodies and tried alot of other Prince racquets. He settled on the EX03 White, which I liked, as well. The only other racquet I liked was the Babolat Pure Control, but that's been discontinued for years now.
     
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    I much preferred the Pure Control over the PD 'back then'. Had I not been on the Volkl Team, I likely would have switched to the Pure Control. Especially early on, I thought the Control was a far superior racket compared the the Drive. Guess I'm just a dinosaur. ;)
     
  5. Hooked

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    My own. I have a postal scale and a little rig to find the balance point. I also add an overgrip and rubber band to the strings, but I made these measurements before those mods were added.
     
  6. jjs891

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    I have owned both 4 stripe and current Tour versions of mids. Tour version is significantly more HL than the 4 stripes. I don't think QC is all that good with those as one was ~12 pts HL vs the second one being only ~8 pts HL on Tour models.

    4 stripes that I had were quite a bit less HL ~6 pts HL.

    If you read the feedback section on the POG mid, you would notice pretty much everyone agrees that you have to place significant amounts of lead tape on the hoop of Tour model to make them feel close to the 4 stripes. So OP's findings may not be totally off base imo.
     
  7. mistapooh

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    Geeze, 12 points HL is crazy compare to the reported 8 pts. However, I wouldn't mind seeing what a 12 pt. HL POG feels like.
     
  8. Hooked

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    Well, I got to play my two Mids last night. After I overgripped them and added the rubber band to the strings they were:

    POG 4
    Weight: 12.3 ( 348 )
    Balance: 12.875 (5 HL)

    POG 6
    Weight: 12.5 ( 353 )
    Balance: 12.125 (11 HL)

    Different strings, so not an apples to apples comparison, but the POG 4 felt more stable and had better plow through. The POG 6 was more whippy, but not quite as stable. Need to play with them both again, but kept wanting to play with the 4 over the 6. Might have found my new favorite.
     
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  9. cx105

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    Does anyone know at which model the POG's changed from being made in USA to made in China? I have a grommetless OS which has Made in USA on the sticker...and another 1-stripe with grommet strip but the sticker no longer has reference to where its made. It doesnt have the square "Made in Taiwan" sticker...but maybe that was just removed.
     
  10. Princeofwails

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    Saw this thread...

    Had to post, even if it is old. I have been using the POG OS since 1982, high school. I have collected about 10 over the years and they are all version 1 or 2. One thing I cannot make a connection to on the list is that I have a version 2 with a longer, 2-handed grip. The crossbar is actually about an inch higher in the throat. It has the single green stripe and grommets, but just a naturally longer grip. Still plays the same. I've used pretty much all the versions and I will only play with the version 1 first, or 2 if that is the only available frame when the 1's have broken strings, etc. One poster said the size of the head was a bit different on the earlier frames. I can confirm this. It definitely has more of an "O" shape compared to a typical oval.
     
  11. mad dog1

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    if i'm not mistaken, the 1 stripe POGs w/ grommet strip were made in Taiwan by Pro Kennex. the only ones that were made in the USA were the 1 stripe grommetless ones.
     
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  12. Carolina Racquet

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    I've just started using a POGO, version 6. I love the plush feel.

    The stick doesn't feel as heavy as its static weight.

    Now just trying to match up a good set of poly.
     
  13. Princeofwails

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    Yeah, figuring out your string set up is becoming more and more important. I used to just get my POG's strung with gut or a good multi-filament at 60# and all was well. I have some Sig Pro Poly Plasma Pure that I may hybrid, using the Sig as the mains and maybe gut for crosses.
     
  14. Carolina Racquet

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    I just tried a low-tension setup of 44# mains and 41# crosses with Cyclone 17g. Not bad!

    Playing on clay, I can really set up and get a ton of bite on my topspin shots and my backhand slice. Still need to dial in the serve with the setup.

    Great stick. Solid, plush and old school.
     
  15. kevint

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    Is it possible to hit modern forehand (WW) with the classic rackets like POG, etc...? Or it is much easier to hit WW forehand with a more current rackets like PD? (Sorry for a newb question, I am still trying to learn how to hit WW forehand using these classic rackets).
     
  16. Chace

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    Yes it is possible. I used the POG mid for the better part of the last 15 years and no problems with the WW forehand. It's very easy to generate alot of spin with the open string pattern. The only down side is that the POG mid will eat up some strings.
     
  17. RonSon

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    Does anybody have any info on #5. I was given one and I just bought another one from the bay and it also says straight shaft. They are both oversize frames.
     
  18. gloumar

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    Well, actually the Pure Control line has been replaced by the Pure Storm line, very easy to find indeed !
    You should go for the Pure Storm TOUR, 16*20 and 320g unstrung to get closer to the POG weight.
     
  19. kcmiser

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    Recently acquired a 4-stripe OS (1987) and am playing well with it and love the feel (for an OS), but it really feels head-heavy. For the record, after adding an overgrip (and keeping the original leather underneath) it balances almost exactly where the strings in the throat grommet make their u-turn.

    Reading the above thread, it says the version 6 ("Tour") versions have lower swingweights in the mid, but on the OS TW lists the SW as 333, which is still pretty high. Anyone have any info' on the balance of the "Tour" or other versions in the OS that could be less head heavy? Even if someone with a "Tour" or "Straight Shaft" (versions 6 or 5, I think) could just indicate where they balance at, I would be extremely grateful.
     
  20. tennisinoc

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    Oh I still wish I still had the skills to weild the mighty weapon of my 4 stripe POG mids. But my aging body and decreasing eyesight, I can no longer play with the precision and quickness that is needed for this wonderful sword. I tried the new Tour version and found it was a bit lighter, stiffer, and less headlight (6pt.) than my 4 stripes which made it less comfortable.

    My 4 stripes weight 12.4 oz and 8pt headlight. I have been holding on to them for more nostolgic reasons vs. playing with. But reluctanly now they sit on the selling block awaiting the next Lancelot.
     
  21. Hooked

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    I have (3) POGs. (2) Mids and (1) OS. (1) of the Mids is a 4 striper from the 80's. The other two are version 6 reissues from TW. These are the actual specs from my own measurements (all strung with an overgrip and rubber band dampener).

    POG6 OS; weight 12.4/351, balance 12.6/7 HL, SW 331.
    POG6 Mid; weight 12.4/352, balance 12.6/7 HL, SW 331.
    POG4 Mid; weight 12.3/349, balance 12.9/5 HL, SW 339.

    In comparing the mids, the reissue feels noticeably more manueravable due to the slightly more head light balance and lower swing weight. I noticed a similar difference on my Wilson PS85's. My St. Vincents is more head heavy and has a higher swing weight than my TW reissue. I find that I play best with racquets that are more head light and have lower swing weights. My current favorite (Diablo Mid) is 11 HL and has a swingweight of 317. It doesn't hit as heavy a ball as some of my more head heavy sticks but the manueverability and control are worth the trade off IMO.
     
  22. kcmiser

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    Thanks very much to Hooked and Tennisinoc for the info'. It was exactly what I was looking for. I was hoping to find a POG version which was essentially the same a my 4-stripe OS but less weight in the head. It sounds like versions 4 thru 6 of the OS have pretty similar swingweights, but the newer ones might have a bit less weight in the handle. Not what I'm looking for, unfortunately.
     
  23. Hooked

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    I think the older ones are more head heavy. At least all the reissues I have are more headlight than their original counter parts. My POG4 Mid and (2) PS85 St. V's are all more heady heavy with higher swing weights than my POG6 Mid and OS and (2) PS85 China's. Seems that many prefer the older versions of these frames, but I actually prefer the reissues as the more head light balance trades some stability for manueverability which is a better fit for my game. I guess it depends on what you prefer as the specs are different enough between the originals and reissues that they are not the same despite what the sales pitches say.
     
  24. ccelis

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    Hi, Just wondering if anyones knows if there are any diffences in feel or overall weight and balance between the 4 striped POG OS that say "110" and the ones that say "Oversized" at the tip? The both say made in 1987 but just wondering if that play the same? I have been playing with the models that say "110" for the last 10 years and have an oppertunty to purchase one in good shape that says "oversize"

    Thanks
     
  25. Luv80sRackets

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    I think it might have been a Prince Comp that you were using, which looked somewhat similar to POG but w/o the crossbar. I remember some pros like Pam Shriver used it.

    The POG was my dream racket as a kid. But too expensive. My coach had several, which made me think he's incredibly rich.
     
  26. z4x3r

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    Hi guys,

    The Prince Graphite Precision 730 was a version of the POG or was It a totally different family of racquets?
     
  27. Hannah19

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    Nah, the Precision was a widy body design.
     
  28. houstonduck

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    Hi Guys, I recently picked these up from the local Thirft Store and wanted to see if you guys can help confirm. I believe the first racquet is the Prince POG OS but Im not to sure about the second. Thanks!
     
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    Thanks for any feedback!
     
  32. struggle

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    graphite comp?
     
  33. coachrick

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    Looks like the first edition grommetless Prince Graphite(the ORIGINAL 'POG' :) ) and an early Prince Comp. Notice how shallow the string channel is on the Comp vs the Graphite. That was one of my 'complaints' about that design. Any overlapped string at the top was exposed to scraping on the court(not EVERYone is careful about overlaps) and the slightest amount of wear on the 'corners' would expose even properly installed string(especially the thick stuff back in those days...Leoina 66 in particular).

    That's a darned nice find! The Graphite is from the later '70s and the Comp from just a couple of years later, I reckon.
     
  34. coachrick

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    Your side-by-side photo shows a bit of the tendency of the Graphites to 'shape shift' compared to the Comp. The high recommended tensions for the Graphite didn't help any...many a racket came off the machine in a different shape...oval, 'squared', non-symmetrical :)
     
  35. GS

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    Yep, years ago I was stringing my new POG Mid's up at 63 lbs---3 years later, one of em cracked on the head near the throat. (No, I've never thrown a racquet.) Today, I'm the happy owner of six POG Longbodies (27.5") at 57 lbs.
     
  36. Sanglier

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    So the tear-drop shape of the earliest POG may actually be an artifact?

    I recall one instance at our shop where a colleague (who was not the regular stringer) did a very obvious 'non-symmetrical' job on a frame, which may well have been an older POG. Watching him trying to convince the customer why this was a perfectly normal and acceptable shape for "this type of racquets" was the zenith of BS comedy.
     
  37. TheLambsheadrep

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    I just got this POG http://www.flickr.com/photos/38221599@N05/8007174466/in/photostream/ , I think it's a POG 2 based on the description and that it has grommets but no bumper guard. Am I correct, and while I know everyone has a diff opinion on which POG is best, how does this one rate out of the bunch/is it known for having the best "something" (feel, control, etc.) out of them all? Can it be fitted with a POG bumper guard from later versions?
     
  38. BlueB

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    Early POGs have heavier SW then the later ones. Adding the bumper guard would turn it to an absolute beast...

    I like the 4-stripe version the most.
     
  39. ritton07

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    ...Hello everyone,

    ...I thought it was no more possible (!), today a friend stringer found me what seems a POG1, without grommets and bumper, brand new with tag (!)

    Just a curiosity (since I am a fond collector and would never part with it), could any Prince expert tell me which might be a possible price for this frame?
    (maybe, some years ago one....and today's one, affected by the current economical crisis.. :) ..:( )

    thankss
     
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    one million dollars
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    (..the year mentioned on the only sticker is 1977)
     
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    Headguard & Grommets???

    Do any of you know were to find headguard & grommets for the POG- 4 strip-110" racquet? Looking for a friend. THanks......
     
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    ..the pics are not perfect...(sorry)
    but, isn't it a beauty ? :)

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    If these pics are not perfect, which are...?? :)
     
  45. floydcouncil

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    Prince Graphite Original OS Bump & Grommet on TW.
     
  46. TheLambsheadrep

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    Will those also fit the POG 2?
     
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    I don't know what a POG 2 is.
     
  48. TheLambsheadrep

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    It is described in the first post of this thread. The POG 2 is the second POG that was manufactured. It has the individual grommets and no bumper guard. The individual grommets on mine are starting to break and I would prefer the racquet to have a bumper guard, so I would like to know if any grommet strips/bumper guard sets would fit my version of the POG
     
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    Did the POG OS 4.5 come in an extended (28in) version? I got my hands on one and its def. 28in. long. Though no indication of it being a "longbody"
     
  50. TheLambsheadrep

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    I was reading how the first two renditions of the POG 110" had a more teardrop shape compared to the POG 3 through Tour (first of all, is this true? how different are the head shapes?). I recently got my POG 2, and by the end of a good hitting session this Sunday I could swear that the POG and my Head twin tube radical tours had the same shape. After I got home I laid them on each other, and it's as close as close can be. the biggest difference is that the handle for the POG is shorter so the POG has more throat to it, but the hoop and most of the throat of the two racquets are almost identical.

    The first thought in my head was that since Agassi started with the POG, when he switched to Head maybe they modeled the early radicals after the early POG. Again, this is a POG 2 (individual grommets), and I've read here that Agassi used the POG 3 and 4 which supposedly have different head shapes. So as I asked before, are there really different head shapes within the POG 110" line?

    And this is prob a stupid question, but the tension says no less than 72lbs, will stringing it in the mid 50's to mid 60's hurt the frame at all?
     
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