Prince Original Graphite ( POG ) Mid and OS versions

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  1. djNEiGht

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    I've heard some players using ESP racquets are having success with smooth poly. Give that a shot as it might tame down some of the spin in an open pattern stick. I don't hit with extreme top spin so the textured poly helps me just enough.
     
  2. dmcb101

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    Anyone use Tour Bite in the OS? I have been using PSGO with only 2 hours worth of hitting before snap time. I am thinking a thin poly might play well in the OS. Any thoughts?
     
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    In the OS I enjoy 17g. In the Mid I like 16 or 17g. I would try the same gauge in what you are playing your PSGO and string 55 to start. I find that I need to tame the power with the mains being so long.
     
  4. shamaho

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    Had a very interesting playing experience today.

    Played with the POG Mid on a red clay court on a sunny day, not too hot.
    POG Mid strung with full bed one of Pro's Pro poly at low tension.

    The balls were not new and seemed somewhat dead...

    I felt that the POG Mid was making me work very hard for each and every shot, meaning I really had to prepare super early, be on my toes and be super focused, never could even think of making a sort of "creative" play, just play simple and swing the hell out of the POG...

    Result ? 6-1 for me against a battle hardened player.

    For the second Set and since I felt I was being forced to work extra hard, I decided to make an experiment and switch to the re-issue of the Prince Response 97, strung also with a full bed of Poly at low tensions as well.

    Yes the racket helped a lot with spin, pace well just about everything... and I made a couple of sweet winners, except, because I was being helped... I automatically let down my intensity level.... and started spraying shots wide and long... then started to hold on the shots instead if swinging out freely...

    result ? 0-3 in a flash....

    I switched back to the POG Mid but the damage had been done, and my timing had already been decalibrated.... only found my range again it was already 1-5... then we had to exit the court.

    So, it seems that for me to play at my best I need to play at a high intensity level and have to be forced to working hard... and playing with modern rackets, it seems be too much power available forcing me to focus too much on controlling the shot, or on the other hand... making me loose the intensity, thus increasing the unforced error count...

    it's weird...

    Oh BTW, using a full bed of poly on the POG Mid it feels really yucky ! complete lack of feel and feedback on touch shots.

    This gem of a racket needs the classic feel and so at very least a hybrid setup with a multi or Gut - it deserves this respect ;-)
     
  5. shamaho

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    Exactly what I was alluding to in my last post! I mentioned multi... but those to break very quickly, a hybrid with a good Synth Gut is probably the best compromise. I've had Hybrids with Synth Gut last quite a bit longer than that, so its a question of finding the right match for the synth gut.
     
  6. World Class Forehand

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    Can someone tell me approximately what year the Prince Tour Graphite also known as POG 6 was introduced?

    Thanks.
     
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    This is my first post on the forum—I just wanted to share an interesting discovery. I recently picked up a 4-stripe POG OS (gold hologram) in very good shape (I'd say it's a solid 7.5+, some wear no chips or major scratches and the bumper is still alright) for $2 at a local Goodwill. When I got home, I started cleaning it up as I do every time I pick up a used frame and I removed the string tension sticker, I found another sticker that said "Spadea 70". In addition, there was an unusual sticker under the throat bridge that said "9915" (or perhaps "99/5"). I know that Vince Spadea played with a POG until around 2002 and used regular-stock racquets—could I have stumbled on one his old frames? I wonder if there would be any other identifier to confirm this.

    In any case, a POG OS in good condition for $2 remains an excellent find!

    Here are photos of the frame and the stickers.

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  8. djNEiGht

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    That is wonderful

    Get some grommets for it as I found my POGs to be brittle with age. Nice to have back up
     
  9. dak95_00

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    Could be Spadea's. Crazier things have happened. With a little luck and some creative searching you'll be able to find out.

    I found a Gabriela Sabatini racquet for under $1 this year and was able to prove it was hers.
     
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    I thought Spadea used midsize POG?
     
  11. tc76

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    No, he used the POG OS: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/spadeas-stick.1074/

    To be honest, it would be cool if what I found were his stick (especially if it's from 1999, a year when he beat Agassi, Kafelnikov twice, a very young Federer, Philippoussis, Krajicek, Kuerten, Sampras and an aging Courier to reach the Top 20), but I'm just always happy to find a POG in good shape at a very reasonable price!
     
  12. Backhanded Compliment

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    Ive got a 4 green stripe from 1987 (I believe) with the full suede case (says GRAPHITE 110 just above the diagonal stripe on case).

    Racquet itself reads GRAPHITE 110 on one side, "prince" "prince" at the sides of the throat, GRAPHITE on crossbar, and 110 at top of the hoop. It also says it is made in Taiwan, recommended string tension is 55-70lbs. Hits pretty sweet with a massive foam filled "thunk"sound and in very good condition.

    Am I correct that this is 1987? Version 4 according to OP? Was this version used/preferred by any of the big name pro players like Agassi? Is this Taiwan version all that rare? Do grommets still fit it?
     
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    Not rare. Grommets still fit. Too much is made of the different versions. Agassi has been seen recently using the previous Tour version but did use the version you have there when he first came onto the tour (it was current then).

    Note: The versions prior to this one had smaller length grips and prior to G3 didn't have bumper guards.

    $2 is a nice find!

    I've yet to hit with the current Classic Graphite 107 but I expect it to be more of the same.
     
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    Hope someone can help identify this one. Even after reading all this I am still a bit confused.

    Is this a POG 1: 1 green stripe, no grommets, teardrop head???, no bumper; no printing on top or side or racket (possibly a sticker) except for "Prince" and "graphite" at throat, cork-filled - dates after copyrights are 1979 and 1977 ?

    Not sure if its Over size? or were they all OS? Or if not TearDrop, then was this a 90? I need to go look at it again, because I forget if the image is just bad and it really is tear drop.

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    Looks to be an original tear drop head to me.
     
  16. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Yep, that's the first Prince Graphite, and they were all OS.

    Super OS and "Mid-plus" (we'd call them mids now, but at the time mids were the 85 sq in frames whose head sizes were just under the lower bound of the Prince patent) Prince rackets did not appear until 1984.

    (I think it was 1984; I could be off by a year.)
     
  17. ihaveaquestion

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    Not sure if these are all POG1. Doesn't have the teardrop head shape.
     
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    Can anyone speak to the grip shape of the 1st Gen POG? I've got one with a 4 3/8 grip, but the buttcap is blank and black with numbers scratched in it.

    The grip shape feels identical to older HEAD pallets. I'll post pics tonight.
     
  19. Sanglier

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    I've personally come across as many as 9 sub-variants among the so-called 1st Gen grommetless POGs, which was made between 1978 and 1983 by three California contractors, one of whom even tried to unload some frames that Prince had rejected (according to one reliable source). Your serial-numbered frame with the shallow and blunt (simulated) grip collar (looking very much like that of the Head and PDP racquets of the period) is the earliest version, produced by Fansteel. The overwhelming majority of the frames I've come across have serial numbers that begin with "119", followed by a letter, then another multi-digit number.

    When Fansteel shut down, the equipment was shipped off to Grafalloy, which picked up where Fansteel left off. The only significant change made at Grafalloy was the grip, which was molded using a different foam formulation and finished with a collarless taper at the top. The last of the Grafalloy POGs were made in parallel with Kunnan Lo's earliest bumpered frames!

    There was actually a butt cap sticker on these early frames, also resembling that of the Head/PDP racquets, but the glue they used was not particularly strong, and most of the stickers have fallen off over the decades.

    What is the serial number of your example?
     
  20. Seth

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    Thanks for the explanation! Very informative. Here are some pics. I'd love to hear your thoughts:

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  21. coachrick

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    The 'teardrop' shape was somewhat "fluid", given the amount the frame would 'breathe' while being strung and the different shapes the hoop would take during abusive play. I've seen POGs that were darned near flat at the top of the hoop.
     
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    A 3/8 would feel more like a Head grip than the larger sizes would. A 1/4 would feel even flatter on the sides. Most of the composite frames had less square handles in the smaller sizes, becoming more symmetrical (square-r) in the larger sizes.
     
  23. Sanglier

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    What you have shown is a Grafalloy-made POG, circa 1980-1981. It came with a black butt cap sticker embossed with a gold "P", which followed an earlier variant with a green-and-white butt cap sticker and no patent number box on the shaft (the patent numbers are instead listed on the butt cap sticker, like on period Head and PDP frames). The serial numbers on Grafalloy POGs vary greatly (I've not been able to make any sense of them so far, despite my best efforts). They are purely numerical, rather than alphanumerical. Your photo is too dark for me to make out the number; can you describe it?

    When you said "old Head pallets", I assumed you meant that the grip resembled the kind seen on old aluminum Head frames made by Maark Corporation, including the original aluminum Prince (Classic). In the picture below, you can see the blunt profile of the pseudo grip collar characterizing the Fansteel POG, vs the tapered collarless profile of the Grafalloy model. Fansteel also used a black foam to mold their grips; whereas all the Grafalloy POGs I've seen have yellow foamed-on grips.

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    The vast majority of the grommetless POGs still floating around today are Grafalloy variants. The Fansteel-made examples surface every now and then, but are surprisingly scarce, even though they were made in substantial numbers during the last two years of Fansteel's operation as a racquet manufacturer.
     
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