Priority One Stringing and Customization; Ask your questions here

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by drakulie, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

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    sorry for the delay guys. I've been extremely busy stringing at shop, club, home and tourneys, but will be posting a thread in the next few days. Ron and Nate were both extremely gracious with their time, and very nice guys. I want to make sure I complete a good thread and didn't want to just rush it.

    Kot, painters tape.
     
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  2. Kot_Bigemot

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    Thanks Drak.
    Are you sure? Because tape does not look like it is painters tape - it looks smooth and clear, like a synthetic type tape.
    Thanks again man. Yeah, i am busy stringing too - tennis becomes more popular...or i just get a better reputation around town :)
     
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  3. andtapes

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    Thank you take your time
     
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  4. smark.tennis

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    Dear Drak! May be you may answer. I did ask the following question once:"My son of 13 y.o. Playing tennis and after few tests we found out that he prefers guts-poly hybrid and best of all tour bite and b5e.this summer I am going to send him to play few tournaments with a group, where I don't think that he or smb may care about hybrid stringing. So my question is if it is possible to find a good and similar substitution to above setup, but using one string for a full bed". But to get an answer I'd like to simplify it: what is your recommendations for competitive junior who used to nat gut-poly setup to use in a full bed. I need to buy a reel for him before he goes on the trip. So please advise. He plays with Volkl O10L customized with a few grams at 12,9,3 hours and leather grip. He is all court player with an instinct to go forward and was tought to finish points from inside of the court and be patient at the baseline. I do string mostly myself for him, but on a trip his racquet will be strung like often on junior tournaments without additional care, so to give him nat.gut or any hybrid which is very sensitive to be strung correctly is worthless IMHO. I may get any string reel so you free to recommend anything you count the best. He will play mainly on red clay. If any additional question you may have to give an advise I am ready to answer.
     
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  5. sixone90

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    Any updates?
     
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  6. drakulie

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    ^^after cincinnatti.
     
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  7. sixone90

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    Alrighty. Looking forward to it!
     
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  8. Rabbit

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    Absolutely! Have a big time in Cincy....if you get a chance, downtown is pretty cool
     
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  9. schap02

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    My only question for P1 - Drak - I've hear they also have a program for amateurs/sponsored juniors - is there a racquet minimum for customization, say 6-12 frames?

    Good luck at Cincy, I pray no ALU Rough in Prestige Mids @ 60 lbs for you.
     
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  10. PED

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    Here's a thread from a few years back, a jr had his PSL's modded by P1. Pics are in there as well. Think it was around 60 per stick.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=274922
     
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  11. sixone90

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    Cincy is now over!
     
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  12. ART ART

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    Yes... it would be nice to see some news of it ;)
     
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  13. rolliges

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    Bump.

    Awaiting this information....
     
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  15. rolliges

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    Thanks I did read ( a few times) and enjoy the Hall of Fame post. Love the pictures too.

    However, there are some questions on this thread that would be great to hear P1's opinion on. Specifically the question by Irvin:

    1 - Which is most important to match up in a racket?
    a - Swing weight
    b - Static weight
    c - Balance point
    d - Racket length
    e - All of the above

    2 - Is the swing weight for all players computed from the same reference point 10 cm from the butt or do they use different distances for different players?


    Thanks again.
     
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  16. drakulie

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    Glad you enjoyed the thread. However, I did kind of answer this in the write up. Here is the portion where I answer the "meat" of your question.

     
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  17. rolliges

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    Thanks.

    But wouldn't it be cool to listen to them talk all day with authority about these topics?

    Just love to soak up any knowledge available.

    Thanks again

    -R
     
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  18. RJYU

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    To clarify things. If the flex is wrong, there is nothing one can do to make a racquet "feel" right. Also, racquet length needs to be correct at the start of the final stages of customizing. All the different parameters need to work together to get to a final end product. However, if something needs to change slightly due to whatever restrictions are placed upon me, I'm willing to change balance by a few millimeters rather than change swing weight or total weight.
     
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  19. Irvin

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    Ron thanks for the response, but how can you change balance without changing either SW or total weight? I think you could move the weight to change balance without changing TW but the SW will change (although it may be so slight the PPTC can't detect it.) All the more reson to match SW, BP, TW, and length. You could add or remove weight to change balance and keep the SW the same but TW changes then. You could also change the balance point by increasing or decreasing total length but then your SW should change also.

    I have never played around with a PPTC but how much can you move the balance point without changing the SW +\- 1 cm2kg?
     
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  20. Ghost3789

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    Do stencil ink negatively affect natural gut strings?
     
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  21. drakulie

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    No. Stencil ink is perfectly fine.
     
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  22. LanceyPants

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    Yea I have a question.

    Can I get a job with you guys???
     
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    Bumping this up to ask about stencil ink. Do you have any tips to keep the ink off the ink off the tennis balls?
     
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  24. MAX PLY

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    A consequence of stencil inking is that the ink gets on the balls. I suppose you might try old-school gut shellac (if you can find any) and coat your strings after stencilling, but that seems a bit much. I suggest either forgo the stencil or just get used to it.
     
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  25. Kdude

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    Hi I have a question ...

    I'm using an ektelon H model. The two last outside mains are always looser than the rest of the mains. I know its because of the tie off knotts. Do you guys pull the outside last mains tighter than the rest of the mains. I know your using Bab machines but maybe you could give me some advice regarding this problem.

    Thanks
    H.
     
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  26. Kot_Bigemot

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    I usually go about 8 Lbs tighter on last mains.
     
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  27. drakulie

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    Like Kot stated, you typically want to go up a few lbs on the tie offs. That said, remember the outside strings (especially mains) will always feel looser, even though they are not.

    Good luck.
     
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  28. Kot_Bigemot

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    AHAHAA! Drakulie, you have no idea how much crap I hear about those so called loose outside mains. You nailed it as always.
    I have not been posting much lately but, always reading.
    Nice to hear from you.
     
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  29. drakulie

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    Nice to hear from you as well, and glad to see you are still active. Like you, I am constantly hearing about the "loose" outside mains. After a quick explanation, the customer "usually" is able to comprehend the physics. LOL.
     
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  30. Irvin

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    I was stringing a Fisher Pro Tour Extreme racket today and because these rackets skip 8H&T is used a Yonex loop on the outside mains where the 8th main is ran before the 7th which is the last main and tied off at 6T. I used a 4 lb increase on the 7th mains. When I do not use the knot function on the last main I can see where the main that is tied off has a thicker diameter after drawback. Increasing the tension 4 lbs gsve me about the same diameter on 6th-8th mains (1.20 mm, 1.20 mm, and 1.19 mm on one side and 1.21, 1.20, 1.20 mm.) the diameter of the 17 g string before tensioning is 1.24 mm. as you can see all 6 outside mains tensioned and tied off are 1.20 +/- 0.01 mm.

    This experiment was done with 17 g Polylon and results may differ from string to string but you may want to play around with measuring the diameter of the string after you tie off to find the best tension increase for the tie off if that's what you're looking for. I used 4 lbs because that is the default value on my machine.

    EDIT: Even though the outside mains were not the last mains strung they were easier to move around because there is no outside string to hold them in.

    EDIT: On the crosses I did not use the knot function and see the same diameters for the top and bottom three strings. But the crosses tend to have much less drawback than outside mains.
     
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  31. drakulie

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    I use this same procedure on several racquets when doing two piece. Aero Pro Drives, Pure Drives, Several Wilsons, etc. Never knew people started referring to this as a "Yonex Loop".

    You bring up some great points, BTW. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  32. uk_skippy

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    It's being referred to as the Yonex Loop as its used in the stringing instructions for Yonex Badminton rqts. The reasoning behind it is that the outer mains would put so much stress on the thin badminton frames that it could break it, especially stringing tighter e.g. 28+ lbs. By doing this method it reduces the stress. A different reason than we use it for tennis rqts.

    regards

    Paul
     
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  33. graycrait

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    Fascinating thread, I'm thanking whoever bumped this up so I could see it - started stringing last summer.
     
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  34. drakulie

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    Here is the follow up to this thread. Lots of information and photos. Enjoy:

    Priority One stringing and customizing and the hall of fame:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=438964
     
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