Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by dherring, Jan 19, 2009.
I am curious which current male pro has the closest to "textbook" technique on there forehands.
nalbandian... perfect wiper motion. but somethimes not consistent.
I think the simplicity of Andy Murray's forehand makes it very easy to imitate. Simple take back, racquet moves through the ball, and the finish is around the shoulder. His technique is very similar to Federer's but federer uses a straight arm at contact which can create some timing problems if you don't have very good footwork or racquet head speed.
I agree. He has a simply motion, nothing particular or characteristic to deem it "his" - so easier to emulate because its more textbook.
Agree on Murray, I think Fed's forehand is very different. He hits a lot flatter and with more pronation, not easy for the average player to imitate.
Lleyton Hewitt technique is simple and easy.
imo huge take-back though, so would be difficult for beginners to adjust to the ball and surface
What about Federer. I also really like del Potro's forehand motion.
But if we are looking for the "easiest to imitate" then I would probably say Murray or Djokovic. Its hard to keep the shoulders closed as long as federer does and have the timing to hit with an eastern grip like del Potro.
Just because it's the easiest doesn't mean it is textbook. But oh how quickly forgotten the talented ones are. FERNANDO VERDASCO. Smooth forehand, full extension, just beautiful. Theres the vid.
Fed's is definitely different, its just similar in take back and how they initiate the stroke which is really where the difference in most strokes comes from as follow throughs are dictated how we start the stroke. Murray's stroke can easy be hit flatter just as Federer can hit with tremendous topspin as well. The pronation comes from the fact that he uses a straight instead of bent arm at contact.
Why don't ya'll watch some tennis. Federer has the absolute best forehand technique. Watch his slo mo videos on youtube.
John McEnroe doesn't call it the greatest shot ever in tennis for nothing.
Verdasco's forehand is very similar to fed's. And fed's forehand isn't that textbook. the straight arm is very difficult to accomplish correctly and isn't used as much as a bent arm.
Fed's forehand is absolutely textbook. You're wrong I'm right.
Don't reply because you are wrong. Simple as that.
You don't win 13 GS titles or stay 237 consecutive weeks at number 1 w/o a textbook shot.
I'll bet you my left nut every tennis commentator out there will say Fed's forehand is the most textbook.
Haha, agreed. This guy is cool. lol.
You're kidding me right? There's a major difference between textbook and best. The definition of best depends on the context. Federer's forehand may be the most effective on the tour, giving him the best forehand, but it's definitely not the best to be taught or emulated. In a way, textbook means 'least unique' if you will. Which means there's nothing quirky or out of the ordinary about their technique. Federer's forehand is DEFINITELY not ordinary. Get off your high horse.
Sorry, you're entirely wrong. Federer's forehand is anything but textbook.
edit: his serve, for instance, is textbook. His forehand is about as "textbook" as Roddick's serve.
I didn't say Fed's forehand wasn't the best. I agree it is. But the question is which one is most textbook. If forehands were college courses, his would a 700 graduate level advanced course. Almost anyone could go out and emulate Murray's forehand and be pretty successful within an hour or less.
obviously not textbook then..
i like fed's
Ive always heard that Safin had great Technique on his forehand, Im surprised to see Murray mentioned so many times.
the problem with this thread is that the starter poses two distinct questions: who has the "best" forehand and who has the more "textbook" forehand. These are not the same thing.
Why can nobody replicate Federer's forehand? I'll answer for you. Because he is more talented than all of us. And it takes the kind of amazing fluidity he has to be able to hit a forehand like that. Textbook? Not at all. No one has ever hit it like he does, so how can it be textbook? No one ever said his forehand has bad technique. Good =/= textbook. You are wrong simple as that.
Your left nut is mine now Anyway no reason to be such an ass about this.
I didnt ask who had the best forehand, i asked who had the best forehand technique, sorry if i wasnt being clear
Isn't Safin's pretty textbook. His looks similar to Murray's.
(at :50 secs on the second one)
Also, an interesting Federer Borg comparison
oneguy21 is such a tool. Doesnt even know the meaning of the thread but flames others for their opinions that actually belong in this thread. But is there really a "textbook" forehand. Whether or not a pull stroke is better than a push isnt really known (although it is used more in the ATP), and im sure there are more characteristics in a forehand that are similarly unknown as to their effectiveness compared to others.
I still say Del Potro. I mean the guy hits with an eastern grip. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe its just classic and not textbook
Can some 1 tell me what's the definition of a modern forehand??? Double bent technique??? straight arm??? follow through to the side of ur head??? shoulder finish??? WW swingpath??? straightening ur swingpath?? or Fanning the ball swingpath???
I agree with Andy Murray being the easiest to copy, because I initially Emulate my forehand after James Blake, but now I end up swinging it like Andy murray, can pull the trigger anytime I want, and my shot is very deep and with great penetration and pace. Only thing is that, it barely clears the net, hence my timing, feeling and footwark have to be exceptionally precise.
Also about federer straight arm, I hit with a straight arm, problem is, when you're exhausted from previous tennis session, your footwork and timing can be off, hence you cant create enough spacing between you and the ball to execute a straight arm FH and end up hitting with the elbow close to the body. Again the timing, footwork and feel have to be very good and precise.
djockovic by far. Also my fh looks a bit like his :-D
me fh looks a bit like davydenko and nalbandiana too
Just thought I should bold that
Anyway Jokers is not exactly simple. Especially the takeback with the weird way he pronat...twists his wrist.
I watch Djokovich as being one of the easiest of the current male pros to emulate - textbook strokes. I like Safin's a lot too. To my eye, Agassi had the best before he retired. Funny thing because I don't think that many of the newer players out of Florida look that great.
Federer's forehand is definately not a stroke I would teach (the rest of the game, however, is a different matter).
I think if you look at the Spanish academies, I think that the their players have the best "looking" strokes, especially on the two handed backhand.
No kidding? So why would you tell everyone that Blakes backhand sucks? you posted a bunch of nonsense regarding his left and right foot and implied "he was doing it wrong."
Why would you then provide inapproritate evidence to support your "claim" which was easily rendered useless?
The main thing about strokes is to seperate the focus on what is common and review with a grian of salt what is largely style or preference.
The bottom-line is all the forehands possess common characteristics which can be viewed and analyzed.
...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I'm gonna put in one more vote for Andy Murray because, again, I think he's got a simple, reliable swing pattern that isn't likely to break down (result: fewer errors) and yet allows him to create a lot of different looks, have a lot of variety, which is one of the strongest aspects of Andy's game...
You don't need to troll m27, he knows that he's an idiot at times...
I personally like Safin's forehand, a little muscled but it looks "human," lol...
Best FH and the more textbook...
Hard to choose between these 2 players..
balance, control and beautiful motion!
Davydenko is probably one of the most textbook FHs on the tour. Very simple, nothing fancy, and no extreme wiper motion.
Agreed, Safin= beast. His backhand has very good extension as well. A great backhand to emulate (it is a bit flat though, a more topspin one would be Nalbandian)
I wouldn't think that Murray would be considered to have a "textbook" forehand, it is simple and effective but it looks kind of awkward IMO. I would think it would be somebody like Safin, personaly tho, ive always liked Davydenko. Im no expert, thats just my opinion
No if it wasn't you, and you weren't knocking on m27, I would probably tell you off for bagging on another guy in a totally unrelated thread. But hey, what do you know:twisted:
I would consider "textbook" as james blake or gonzalez. Rafa and Roger have the best forehands in my opinion, but their techniques are quite unique.
retired : Steffi Graf
didn't read all the posts, but did anyone say Agassi?
I think his is compact, simple and high level. What more could a textbook ask for?
I guess he is not a current pro, but still plenty of vid to look and emulate.
I say Del Portro, very simple.
Besides the debate between the "best" and the most "textbook" forehand, I think there is something else being overlooked.
There are a lot of guys with "textbooK" forehands that are not as effective with it as they probably could be, and this is often due to footwork (or lack thereof).
Federer and Nadal, for example, do not have "textbook" forehands. In some situations, maybe, but they change their form and their swing depending on the situation. Federer makes this more obvious than Nadal as he modifies his swing more. These guys have incredible footwork, which allows them to hit some of the best forehands in the game, but you're not going to find anyone calling Nadal's forehand textbook.
The Federer/Berdych match is a decent example. Federer's inability to get out of the way of the ball and get in position (mostly due to the depth of shot by Berdych, if you ask me) was forcing Federer into all of those unforced errors off his forehand. He was doing too much with his swing without having proper footwork (obviously there was more going on here, I know). At the same time, a guy like Berdych who is normally inconsistent as hell, was moving his feet incredibly well in the first set and most of the second. That is about the best footwork you'll ever see. It was incredible what he was doing to Federer, and it was all about his feet.
I think too many people give too much credit to the shape of a players actual swing and not enough to their Footwork.
Another issue is confidence. I find that the players with the more unconventional shots, those that are not so "textbook", can start misfiring like crazy with a lack of confidence. They have more ups and downs. This has been happening to Federer a little bit recently, as an example.
As far as most "textbook" goes for the guys at the top, my pick is Djokovic. He also has incredible footwork and would probably qualify as having one of the "best" forehands as well. He does occasionally get too tentative with his forehand, but when he is aggressive, his forehand is incredible.
I am no coach or teaching pro, but I would love to hear thoughts from those that are. Am I nuts?
I know a lot more than you! I know that. And as far as "bagging" on me? Please do, just expect me to "bag" back. :evil:
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