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  1. hollywood9826

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    My guess is he is still out from his injury from NOV.

    UPDATE, NOV. 18, 2014: During WWE Main Event on WWE Network, Michael Cole provided an update from Dr. Amann on Sheamus' condition. The Celtic Warrior suffered a left cervical neurapraxia (stinger in arm), bone spurring, narrowing of the spinal canal (spinal stenosis) and narrowing of the nerve canals (neuroforaminal) along with nerve compression in his neck. Sheamus will not be able to compete this Sunday at Survivor Series.
     
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    Bryan vs Zig should steal the show like Macho and Steamboat did at WM3.

    Reigns may go the heel route with Heyman as the manager. Setting up Bryan reigns fued going forward.

    The thing with mania is you can expect the main event to be a clean match with no outside interence. So any heel turn wuold be in full effect then. I guess we will have to wait for fast lane to see whats happening.
     
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    Daniel Bryan coming back when he did caught WWE Creative off-guard. I think the fans more want either Bryan or Rollins with the belt instead of Roman Reigns now.

    I also think that they don't want to rush Bryan into the spotlight again without giving him several months of work after his surgery to make sure he's not gonna fizzle out again with a re-injury.

    My thinking is that Lesnar def. Reigns. Rollins cashes in MITB successfully on Lesnar either immediately there or on Raw the next night.

    Then a feud sets up with Rollins and Bryan with Bryan winning back the title at Summer Slam.
     
  4. Ramon

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    I think the Bryan Yes Movement is a flash in the pan. I actually agree with Triple H. To me, Bryan is not top tier. He's very good 2nd tier. If he does win the title it will be short lived. The other guys mentioned are top tier.
     
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    You're in the Bryan is a B+ player movement? That is a shame, but I can see where you're coming from, even though I don't agree.
     
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    Bryan's title reign was very short. That tells you management doesn't put him in the same category as Cena or Orton. He's closer to Jack Swagger or The Miz. I honestly think Bryan has already over-achieved. He should be happy with where he is.
     
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    He's one of the best wrestlers on the roster. Not the complete package, I agree, but thoroughly deserving of any push.
     
  8. Poisoned Slice

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    He has achieved a lot more than I thought he would when he got started. I would agree with that.

    I think he is closer to Cena and Orton than he is to Miz, Swagger and most of their other superstars. This is mainly due to the fact that fans in the building still give a damn about him. Of course, me and WWE management don't see things the same way. Your point about what category he is in to management. Getting inured during your run as the 'top dog' doesn't make you A*. Triple H finished his match with torn quad, etc. So stupid, yet so brave, and Bryan can't compete with that. He is just a little GOAT lookalike like gets burnt out when his chance finally arrives.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlYlNF30bVg
     
  9. Poisoned Slice

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    He is the Roger Federer of wrestling. So elegant, so crisp :p I'd eliminate the flying/diving headbutt, for health reasons.
     
  10. Ramon

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    Was Bryan's injury a real injury, or was it a BS injury like 95% of them are? I was assuming it was the latter because of how it played out on Raw. A lot of people care about Daniel Bryan now, but wrestling fans are known to be very fickle. They will turn on a dime, and management has a lot do with how it plays out.
     
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    IMO the Roger Federer of wrestling is Kurt Angle. Before him it was Ric Flair and Bob Backlund. Nowadays good technical wrestlers are a dime a dozen. Unfortunately, Hulk Hogan proved you don't need any technical skills to be at the top.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it was a legit injury.

    I like the Roger Federer/Kurt Angle comparison.

    We need more Hulk Hogan's, brother. It was the whole sports entertainment thing that got me in when I was young, rather than 5* matches. Of course, I appreciate a great match, but I would love more larger than life characters. Nowadays, no real character development, etc. I'm bored talking about it, I just end up ranting about how I could do a better job of making interesting characters and better storylines. Yes, every fan could do a better job. :shock:
     
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    As long as we're on the topic, I'd like to nominate a comparison purely for fun.

    The Federer/Angle one is pretty cool, but I think Federer/Rock is a pretty good comparison. Think about it.

    Both are the "people's champion." And both have losing H2H's with their main rivals and took advantage when said rivals were injured. :). Also, both are successful enough to be argued the best of their eras (although I believe SCSA beats out The Rock here).

    Or Federer and Bret Hart. The excellence of execution with the simple, yet very effective catchphrase..... the best there is, the best there was....you know the rest.

    And we all know Nadal has already been coined as HBK by MichaelNadal :).
     
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    Tbh, it worries me a bit now how strong Lesnar is being built as. I know eventually someone will beat him, but at this point I think Daniel Bryan is just flat out unrealistic and ridiculous given how strong Lesnar looks. I don't know that it matters a whole lot to anyone, but it's just something I've thought about off and on. The guy no sold 3 FU's (I don't call them AA's) at the RR. And I don't like Roman Reigns beating him either, but I could see Rollins beating him on a cash in after a tough match. To me, that's the logical scenario.

    That said, creative should be careful with this, but knowing them they'll just pretend like certain stuff didn't happen at all, even though it has no logical flow to it whatsoever in that case.
     
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    ''And the Roger says this, Stone Cold Steve Johnson, you better stick to pub tennis, if you smell what The Roger is cooking.

    General Djokovic, you take your roody poo candy *** back to Planet Krypton, because you will never and the Roger means never be on my level, here on Planet Roger.

    Rafa Michaels, the man with sexiest behind in sports entertainment, the king of dirt, or clay, the Roger says there is no difference, forehands, backhands,, it's dirt, and not elegant enough for The Roger to truly show why is the most electrifying man there ever was''
     
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    The old would you want to fight him in the bar scenario. Roman looks like a guy you wouldn't want to mess him, or maybe he is. I'm just speaking for myself.

    I wouldn't have a problem with Bryan beating Brock. I'm sure I'd think they have lost the plot if Torito or Hornswoggle beat Lesnar. Bryan is smaller, but not a dwarf. Rollins was hanging with Brock just fine, although you did have Cena in the middle of them. It wouldn't be that unrealistic to me. Not that I think it is going to happen now. We probably got robbed of Bryan vs Lesnar at Summerslam last year.
     
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    He ****es enough people off doesn't he? :lol:
     
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    Unless it's for one hot mama, aka Robin Soderling, Shawn Nadal don't lay down for nobody.
     
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    Yeah. He's got that trait mastered for sure. :)
     
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    He can make em & he can break em.
     
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    I wouldn't be so hard on the WWE for lack of character development. At least you have to admit they do a better job than TNA Impact Wrestling. The wrestlers with the best characters often star in movies, and they either take long breaks from wrestling or they quit entirely. So after the best characters leave, who's left?

    The Rock, Stone Cold, and Triple H all put WWE fans to sleep in their debuts. They all had to be developed. As for present superstars, you have to admit that with Daniel Bryan they really didn't have much to work with. They pretty much maxed him out. All the former Shield members, especially Seth, have made big gains in character development. Husky Harris was totally devoid of character until they turned him into Bray Wyatt.

    It's definitely hit or miss. They could do a lot better with Cody Rhodes. That Stardust thing is just stupid, and he has a lot more potential than that. I think The Miz could be doing better, although Mizdow is making some progress now. When you go to extremes to develop character, you'll just have to put up with the stupid clown acts and stuff.
     
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    Hit and miss indeed.

    Stardust is making Dashing Cody Rhodes seem like a world beating gimmick. It was so easy, too. Here is a good looking guy that loves himself, he hands out grooming tips, don't push the nose clippers too far up your nose. The gimmick after that wasn't so bad either, when he was putting bags over his opponents face, he lost the plot because his face beautiful got hit, oh no. Rhodes Scholars and The Rhodes brothers, all superior to Stardust.

    When he first appeared as Stardust, I let my imagination kick in, and I was thinking he would be like some Marvel/DC villain. Haha, I'm such a fool at times.

    ''Acne is unacceptable, and unappealing.''
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    Some great botches/screw ups out there. This is still the gold standard for me.

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    This one was awesome-Russo couldn't even book a padlock on a cage. The look on poor Doc's face.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VjSa1j6VjA
     
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    I agree. Cody's career seemed to unravel at about the same time he got married and took time off. Didn't that also happen to Ricky Steamboat?
     
  28. Poisoned Slice

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    Yes, and back then you had other places to go. WWF wasn't the only game in town. I never watched much NWA, apart from documentary's, but I know he went on to have great matches with Ric Flair after he left WWF. It seems WWE always get bitter if you don't put them first over everything else in the world. Kind of like The Mafia, or The Sopranos. You put us above your son, daughter, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, cousin, grand mother, grand father, etc.

    Cody just puts up with what they give him, I guess they all have to. I can just imagine some of their faces when these 'great ideas' get offered/given to them.
     
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  29. Ronaldo

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    Recall Steamboat was huge in Mid-Atlantic Wrestling 30 yrs ago before he came to WWF. http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/A...ages/781105_Charlotte_MATT_JonesSteamboat.jpg
     
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    Steamboat & Flair had a great feud in the Carolinas in the late 1970's, they were having great matches in JCP in 1983/1984 before Steamboat jumped to WWF, they had the classic series in 1989 & had some more great matches in 1994 including headlining Spring Stampede.
     
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    Yes, Steamboat vs. Flair started way before Steamboat moved to the WWF and took the nickname "The Dragon" (the WWF played on his resemblance to Bruce Lee). Those matches gave Steamboat legitimacy when he came to the WWF. It's one of the reasons he got he got the IC Title shot against Macho Man so quickly. When he moved back to NWA/WCW, he and Flair revived that rivalry.
     
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    The angle they did in 1989 with Steamboat ripping Flair's clothes off was a repeat of the exact same thing they had done in 1978.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wpjVebaZg

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xul9ap_ric-flair-ricky-steamboat-confrontation_sport
     
  35. Poisoned Slice

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    Like the man says, some things are worth repeating.

    I thought this was pretty amusing.

    Cole and JBL doing their hype duty after Bray beats Dolph.

    ''Bray Wyatt is unstoppable, and at his absolute peak.''

    Until The Undertaker gets his hands on him.
     
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    He will bury this UT
     
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    Bray Wyatt will be sacrificed. Nothing personal, Bray. It's just business.

    The lord of darkness is not losing this.
     
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    Undertaker, It's time to meet your maker
     
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    I disagree. Even though Bray will never reach the level of the Undertaker in his prime, the old-timer never wins. It's a changing of the guard so the newcomer can raise his status.
     
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    I think a Bray win and change of the guard is best for business. Bray puts The Undertaker away for good and Undertaker vanishes in a cloud of smoke after the match sending a message that this is the end.

    The Undertaker is not your average old timer. I know he is not defending a streak now, so I wouldn't be as confident betting on a result. I think The Undertaker will win this. I'm just not so confident this is a real status raiser for Bray, my feeling is he has only been made to look this strong recently because The Undertaker is returning to beat him.
     
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    Then Rikishi gives him a stinkface!
     
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    Breaking News from BNZ, Bad News Barrett looks like he has lost some weight.

    Sheamus hype videos for his return.

    Sting accepts the meeting with Triple H at Fast Lane.

    Sure, why not?
     
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    The Royal Rumble really turned me off WWE after that disaster.

    But I know I'll be back.
     
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    Well, let's hope this doesn't ruin Seth's career or any parties involved.
     
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    Firstly LOL at Rollins, what about the Nxt Diva's picture? Man oh man.

    When Taker wrestled Punk in 2013 it was a short but awesome match, when he wrestled Lesnar in 2014 he seemed to lose a couple of steps with a concussion thrown in.

    This was the night after WM30 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRJQS6FB1qQ

    What will he be like this year? I guess Bray will carry him somewhat...a 50 year old, 31 year wrestling veteran.
     
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    From most statements when you dig around, Bray is one of the safest guys on the roster so I think the chance of a concussion midway through ala Lesnar is probably unlikely to happen

    But this year is less about the match and more about the build, Wyatt is taking the torch as the new Monster heel that people love for his supernatural awesomeness.

    I think someone said

    30: Lesnar Breaks his Body
    31: Bray breaks his Spirit

    32: Taker wrestles for his pride and beats Sting

    22-2
     
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    Does anybody else here think The Undertaker will win?
     
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    Hopefully the fans get tired of Bryan soon. His character is lamer than Cena's.
     

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