Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by drakulie, Mar 13, 2011.
Wow, amazing thread Dark!
Thanks for sharing with us!
More pics more pics!!!!!
In the picture below, which clamp has more metal contacting string, a or b? Which do you think will incur more string slippage into the clamp when tension is released?
No problem, anything for fellow professional.
Things aren't too bad. Been working at a Futures event this week, before the Challenger at the same location. My diary is pretty full with various tournaments between now and middle of July.
Do you have more lined up?
'rufusbgood' and 'drakulie' your artwork is commendable but I'm not really sure that's what happens when the racket is strung. Assuming the dots are the main strings your drawings show the mains have no deflection and the cross have all the deflection. Is that really what happens? The crosses should have very little deflection and the mains go up or down as they are deflected by the crosses. This deflection is what makes weaving one ahead easier.
Because of the defleciton of the mains and the bottom of the mains resting on the clamp the clamp will hold the crosses up in the teeth are of the clamp so the only points where there is contact in the clamp on the crosses is in the teeth. If you are using a five tooth clamp you are going to have the same length of string in contact with the clamp no matter which way you go over the mains assuming you alternate. I can see where three of the five will be slightly lower in the clamp one way but no matter which way you go the string should not slip.
wow that surprising that isner uses pro line 2 because he always used red code and had a tecnifibre stencil on his stick. Even in college http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...RgQfT9eTACA&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0
looking back at some photos, red code looks darker. and pics from isner in 2011 show the string bed with a bit lighter color of red
I appreciate your skepticism 'andtapes' so I would suggest that the next time you have to string a pair of racquets with something slippery like Prince Premiere w/Softflex or Babolat Xcel at 67 lbs why not put it to the test. Do one finishing over the last main, and the other going under and then test them to see which is tighter.
I did that just last night with two Babolat PS rackets using ALU Power. I do not have an ERT but when I tapped the two rackets together they sounded the same. Don't want to beat a dead horse but these pictures show the cross string is in the fingers of the clamp.
Concerning Isner's strings, another website EXPRESSed that he uses RedCode in his profile.
Those 2 pictures look very similar to me, and I would expect them to be the same as well.If the racquets were off by even 1 lb. you would notice a slight difference in sound as well.I have strung 2 racquets back to back before at 2 lbs. difference and they did sound different for sure when they were tapped.
Those 2 pictures look very blurry to me and I would say 'andtapes' and 'Irvin' have an unusual take on what constitutes a slippery string. When it comes to clamping, Alu Power is not only not slippery, it has little to no inclination to creep back into the clamp because it is non-elastic. So, I would say that was not a particularly good test. Again, try it with something like Babolat Xcel at 67 lbs. And tapping the racquets against each other is not a particularly valid way to check them either especially since there will always be a difference in the amount of time they have had to relax.
Right now, just stringing at the shop and at the club. In April I have the National Clay Court Championships. After that, have been offered a few more tournaments, but haven't decided.
I'm not going to get into the whole "clamp" debate/discussion. However, I will point out that I whole-heartedly agree with you here.
If one strings two racquets back to back, and gets the same pitch/tone, then this means that the second racquet they strung, was strung looser than the first as evidenced by the fact that strings begin to loose tension the moment they are dismounted.
Dr. Ivo's frames:
Woah..looks like Stevie Ray Vaughn's Stratocaster..lol.
If you string 2 identical racquets with same string and tension and string them back to back in under an hour for the two of them, they will sound the same. Just try it before you say they will not.
Not only did I try it Jim, I posted a graph here on the TW boards showing my results in a thread you participated in. Here's a link to jog your memory: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=345313. The graph looked like this:
I want to say that's Head Flex Point frame that's been blacked out at one point with Babolat stripes.
Drak any chance you getting a gig at the Sony Ericson in Maimi next week?
Reminds me of doing James Blake's frames at Eastbourne las year. I asked his coach if he wanted me to re-paint them as the Dunlop 200 paintjob was showing through.
I don't want to get into the sound thing and I am sorry I mentioned it. The two pictures I took were on the same string of the same racket using Gosen OG Micro @ 62 white a soft not even close to slippery string. I was just trying to show the cross strings are held by the fingers of the clamp and will not get down into the body itself. If they were somehow forced a little further down somehow they would probably still be on the rounded edge of the clamp.
What I am having an issue understanding is how one of those strings slips and the other does not.
Just strung two more like frames Prince O3 Hybrid sharks. Each racket took 14:38 and 14:47 minutes to string. After I was done with both using Forten Sweet I could tell a difference between the two rackets. The one that I strung second where the crosses went under the outside mains had a slightly higher pitch. But this time I also recorded the pings immediately after stringing both recordings are identical as far as I can tell.
I will test them again when the cutomer picks them up to see what they sound like and let you know.
After 1 hour 15 minutes the second racket (cross went under outside main) still has a higher frequency. I measured both racket with a string meter and they both measure the same.
After 2 hours 20 minutes the second racket was still slightly higher in frequency I think but real close. With dampener installed there was no difference.
Great thread--one of the best I've read on these boards. I saw some of the sales slips in the photos and noticed they all had different prices. Can you offer any information on how the pricing works? Also, what percentage of these players do you think know how to string a racquet?
If my math is correct, $25 per racket?
Strung two more like frames again today Dunlop AG 800s with Gosen OG Micro @ 57 lbs.. This time I recorded the pings about 2 minutes after stringing on each racket. This time the racket I went under the outside mains with the cross was noticeably higher pitched when I played them back at the same time. I will test them again after 12 hours to see if there is a difference.
I decided last night not to leave these two rackets the way they were so I took the first racket (this one went over the outside mains) and restrung it. Even though the two rackets are now strung the same the one I strung first (actually this is the second racket but strung before I restrung the first) still has the highest pitch. I wish I had pinged the two racket after I restrung the first one again now but it was early and time to go to bed.
Unfortunately, no. My next tournament is the clay court championships in April at the club I string at.
Thanks, jdunnie. To answer your first question, as lakers4life pointed out, it is $25 per racquet. So when you see "$100", that means there were 4 racquets to string.
As for your second question, I honestly have no idea. I imagine many of them know how to string, but many don't have a clue.
Irvin, thanks for all your input. It is very interesting. Hope you will continue to test this theory out, but it does seem there is something going on, giving it a higher pitch.
As for myself, I have been checking all the frames I do and am consistently getting a higher reading on the ERT 300. Usuall 1-2 points.
Interestingly enough, the more open the pattern along with bigger head size, the larger the margin on the reading. ie, these are typically the frames that are getting 2 points higher on the ERT, whereas tighter string pattern with smaller head sizes are either 1 point higher, or the same (especially mids).
Thanks again for your input, Irvin. Much appreciated.
Hey Drak, great thread! I'm sure all the amateur stringers on here appreciate it.
Haven't been around much lately but I take it you retired from the mental health field (IIRC) to be a pro stringer? I'm sure you've explained your switch on here but could you give me a cliffnotes (or a link) as to why you switched?
'drakulie' I strung two more racket today that were identical with PSGD and the ping test was identical that I recorded played back and compared but both rackets were strung the same. I did not want to test too much with my customers rackets. Anyway after about 3 hours both racket pings were identical again.
I did find one thing, when I string the crosses with the racket today I could get three teeth outside the last main and two just inside the last main so I could actually get the cross string down past the teeth but only on about 8 string or so.
It would stand to reason if you have a longer cross string it would have a greater tendancy to draw back because there is more energy built up in the string. 2 DTs though is a lot. That could be 4 to 6 pounds as I under stand it.
Strung two more like rackets (K) six.one 95 with RPM Blast 17 @ 52 lbs. I strung the second one two hours after the first as we went out for dinner. The second did have a higher ping with completed and that is the one I went under the outside main. 8 hours later both rackets have the same ping.
hey, Norcal. Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner,,,,,,,,been extremely busy. Anyway, YES, I "retired" from working in the mental health field for now. Working with kids for 20+ years, my brain kind of needed a vacation. I'm sure I'll go back to it one day, but right now, I'm stringing full time, which as you could see includes tournament stringing.
Hope all is well, and great to see you posting.
Irvin, I've had similar findings as you. I've also been able to play a little with two frames strung with the different techniques, and quite frankly, don't feel a difference, although one typically has a higher DT reading. Thanks for your input.
That is strange I wonder is one racket always has the higher DT reading?
Thank you for this thread. And a shadow of six pack.....
Great thread Drak! I don't know how I missed it for so long. Looks like you had a great time. Best, BHBH
No. the frames I string for myself have both had the higher reading. I strung them both with the different methods to make sure.
Hey, BHBH. Great to hear from you. As you could see, I have been extremely busy,,,,,,,,,add to that I just purchased a home and spent an entire month renovating, plus work, plus the tournaments, and you could imagine how busy I've been.
As for the tourney at Delray, had a wonderful time. Really great stuff.
nice thread +1
I still get a chuckle out of seeing out of J Blakes two Dunlops.
Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed the information in the thread.
Great Thread Drakulie. Appreciate the insight.
You are welcome.
I'll try to post a few more photos later on.
Ivo Karlovic at our pro shop to pick up some demo frames. (he was standing on a platform, which explains the height difference )
That would be great, these are super.
^^awesome photo drakulie. You almost need a higher ceiling..
^^Yeah, he is extremely tall. Also, a very, very nice guy. Really friendly and down to earth.
cool photo, drakulie! looks like you're standing next to manute bol!
Great thread Drakulie! I was hoping you would share your slightly modified Pro knot?
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ＢＴＷ， ａｎｙ ｃｈａｎｃｅ ｙｏｕ＇ｄ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｏ ＰＭ me the address to your pro shop? (sorry for the weird font changes btw)? I have no idea when I'll be down in the area, but I'd like to visit if/when I get the chance to.
Its no secret - Pro Tennis World - Hiatus and SR 84
yeah, he is VERY TALL.
Really hard to explain. I would need to do a vid to show you. When I get a chance, I'll complete a vid and post it.
Thanks Meowmix. Check out FloridAG's post. he knows the store very well, as we are from the same area. If you do ever visit, send me an email. Would love to meet you. firstname.lastname@example.org
Florida, how are you? We need to get together soon.
Rainer Schuettler racquet. Prestige Mid with 16x19 string pattern.
John McEnroe's frame.
Good. You have been too busy with the move and the work etc, but we do need to meet up. I have frames to bring you and we need to hit so let me know.
Yeah, lots of stringing between work, the club, and now the national girls and boys 14's. we'll try to hook up next week. I'll give you a call. Hope all is well with you.
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