Prokennex Dilemma

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  1. Simbah2004

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    I'm a 4.0 counterpuncher, 5 foot 7, not a muscular guy. I play mostly singles. I use a semi-western forehand grip, double handed backhand. My weakness is my net game, but I'm fairly consistent with the rest. I usually play on weekends and twice during the week. Singles mostly.
    Tennis elbow has started to bother me, so comfort has become a priority. I keep hearing and reading good things about Pro Kennex frames.
    I'm getting a demo of the Pro Kennex 5G classic next week, but I don't like to demo more than one racquet at once (my current racquet is the Head Liquidmetal Midplus, stock). I use Wilson NXT tour at mid tension.
    However, I've noticed that there is a similar model, the Pro Kennex Kinetic Ki5 315, but a bit more expensive. Which one is better for you and why? Your input is much appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    I’ve been dealing with a golfer elbow since last december, used to play singles 3 times per week, doubles on weekend. I am a 3.5 baseliner with decent serves but not a net guy unless the flow of the game demanded.

    Stopped playing 1 month later moved to PK Ki 5 295 testing and I found ligth and underpowered compared with my previous racket (K-Zen + lead tape + string + Babolat RSV around 320 grs.), in the other side PK Ki 295 is very comfortable.

    Another pause of 1 month and I went back with PK Ki 315 and this is much better, the extra weight is great to develop more power, very comfortable, have to deal with flexibility, I mean some strokes need adjustment in timing.

    I am still in my slow back to tennis (just one hour groundstrokes rally per week), I got 2 PK Ki 315 latest rally were strung at 45 and 40 lbs, and well… I lost control but I think there is a light at the end of tunnel if I could adjust to.

    I hit with PK 5G (strung @ 45) for 30 mins, couldn’t find many differences. Only when I hit good strokes with complete swings I found more power in Ki 315 and the pjs looks better.

    Summarizing my experience, I am going with PK Ki 315 because I feel is more comfy, but I’ll need to adjust my motion, going wit low tension is a good way to compensate the underpower but more adjustment is needed.
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  3. Simbah2004

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    Thanks, seems like the Kinetic Ki5 315 has a bit more power then...
     
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  4. SJSA

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    PK Ionic Ki 5 is upgraded form Kinetic 5G and Ki 5x is upgraded from 7G.
    G models were introduced more than 10 years ago, I believe.
    Ionic tech is more improved from Kinetic lines.

    You can find a low vibration frequency racket for your elbow.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/vibfrequency.cgi
     
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    stick with the G models ..... they are still on the market for a reason, they are good ! Plus you get a great price break. If you need a little more power and can handle the extra .5" length go with the 7G, otherwise stick with the 5G ... for playing comfort the G series is hard to beat.
     
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    With a two-handed backhand and if you like to counterpunch, the 7G should also be on your radar. It's higher powered than the 5G, from what everyone says (I personally have not tried the 5G) and a lot of people just prefer it a lot to the 5G. It's an amazing frame.

    Debatable. Personally, I thought the Ki5x was not in the same class as the 7G, and numerous others (do research on the boards, or even look at the 5x customer feedback) have the same opinion. 5x felt more brittle to me, 7G more plush. I also tried the Ki5 and found it to be, like another poster said, very underpowered. It wasn't bad, but my 7G trumped both the Ki 5x and Kik 5 significantly. It's one of the greats, in my opinion.
     
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    I'm only an inch taller than the OP and I love the extended length the 7G offers. The longer handle also would be ideal for 2 handed backhands which I only hit a few of during a match since I mostly 1 handed topspin backhands. I've found no stick that even comes close to the 7G for volleying. It makes me actually want to approach the net more.
     
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  8. JGads

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    Agree on all points here.

    The 7G -- extra handle length and the extra half-inch up top -- gives me far and away the best two-handed backhand of frame I've tried. Also volleys incredibly well.
     
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    I used the 7G for over 3 years and the extra .5" was never a bother (really never noticed it) ... I hit a lot of 2hbh and the 7G was/is great for that ..... if your arm/elbow/shoulder is hurting then at its current price the 7G is a no brainer !
     
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    I bought a 5G last year and didn't like it at all. I put it down after about 5 minutes, it just didn't click with me. I'm going to try adding lead to the hoop, (which lots of forum members recommend), and see how it feels. I was very surprised at how hollow it felt stock.
     
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  11. Simbah2004

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    Thanks. I haven't considered longer racquets before, hopefully these racquets will play well. Maybe I'll try the 7 G, too.
     
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    Give yourself some time to adjust to the extra length.
     
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    I tried the Ki 5, Ki 5x, and Ki 5 PSE. Here's my reviews versus similar racquets:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=413091

    I am now playing with the Ki 5x. I never tried the 5G and the 7G. Maybe I should have. Nevertheless, I really like the Ki 5 series frames. My serve has improved immensely because the comfort of the Ki 5x allows me to put more into the serve than I did with my APDGT, and my game in general has improved since I got the Ki 5x. A player's frame was probably better for me all along than a tweener frame.

    I am now very much in tune with my racquet. My guess is that if I picked up a 7G right now I might not like it as much as my Ki 5x just because it's not the same (I'd like to try it out, though, to see if I'm wrong). Loyal fans of the 7G would probably not want to switch racquets either. I can't compare the Ki 5x to the 7G, but I don't think the Ki 5x is as bad as some people make it out to be. It's definitely a great frame IMO.

    BTW, I see nothing wrong with demoing more than one racquet at once. In fact, it's the best way to compare them side-by-side.
     
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  14. SJSA

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    I am considering to buy either Ki 5 or 5x due to tennis elbow.
    I am a top spin player and my current primary racket is EXO3 Tour 16x18.
    Many people like 7G but it is more than 10 yrs old model and Ionic tech is better than Kinetic per PK; only 30 bucks different.
    I might go for Ki 5x just Ramon did.
    I have Rip and Premier Attack string.
    Ramon, which string is better for Ki 5x? What tension?
     
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  15. scotus

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    I hope you're not using a poly or kevlar string.

    The EXO3 Tour is as good as it gets in terms of arm comfort.

    I have used 5G, KI5, and 7G for a long time. They are all great for comfort but in no way superior to EXO3 Tour in the comfort department.
     
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  16. scotus

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    By the way, I used KI5 for 6 months before switching to 7G.

    7G offered better comfort and better performance. Much better upper hoop responsiveness, better serve, and no ugly yellow paint.
     
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  17. Magic of tennis

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    It is very tricky to find right racquet, even after you demo them, like them and purchase them, you might not like them after a year or so. I was like that.
    I had arm problem with Wilson hammer series, so I purchased Volkl Organix 10 295g without demoing it. I just listened what other people said in this board. It was pretty good. I needed 2nd racquet for backup. So I demoed some of racquets including Prokennex 5G, 7G, Redondo, and Volkl PB 10 mid, MP, Prince EXO3 tour, and more (can't remember them all).
    I found Prince EXO3, PK 7G were outstanding. They were very comfy with plush feeling when I hit balls. But I chose and bought Prince EXO3. I have been playing with these two different racquets, Volkl and Prince over 1 year. Recently, I found out that Organix 10 295 is much better for me over prince exo3. It just happened one day after I broke Organix 10 string and grabbed Prince exo3. X10 295 has more power and stability. It took over 1 year to find right racquet for me. Now I am trying to get second Organix 10.
    I hope you find right one too and use multi strings.
     
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  18. Ramon

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    My favorite setup so far has been RIP Control 16 mains and Premier Attack crosses at 54/56. However, I think I'll go tighter next time, perhaps 58/58. I also tried NXT, Premier LT, and Premier Attack full bed. NXT was great but didn't last long enough, Premier LT got stiff after about 6 hours, Premier Attack was very good by itself but I get more control with the RIP hybrid.

    I agree. Out of all the racquets I tried recently, the EXO3 Tour 100 is the most comfortable. The Volkyl Organix 10 325 comes close in comfort. I use the Ki 5x because I play better with it.

    The Ki 5x is also more stable than the Ki 5. In addition to that, I added 4 grams of lead at 3 and 9 o'clock and it works great. I use an overgrip, so it still maintains the same balance.
     
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  19. movdqa

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    What do you use right now?
     
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  20. Simbah2004

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    Head Liquidmetal Radical MP, with Wilson Tour NXT at 55 pounds...
     
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    I only hit with the Exo Tour for a few minutes but a multi/poly hybrid in that stick felt like a full multi job in my 7G. So I do think the Exo Tour is slightly more comfortable; however, the difference in power between the 2 sticks is HUGE. Something tells me I might hurt my arm just swinging so much harder. The 7G just felt good from the first hit. I'm sure I could adjust to any racket including the Exo if I had to but it just felt strange to me.
     
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  22. Simbah2004

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    I've added the Exo Tour 100 to my demo list as well... The 16 x 18 string pattern, seems like folks here like it a lot!
     
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    The EXO3 Tour needs to be strung about 7-10 lbs looser than PK7G because of its lower power level. But it retains control well at the much lower tension.

    It also takes very well to full gut and gut hybrid, which obviously supplies the power EXO3 needs.
     
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    That is a pretty large tension difference but it demonstrates the difference in power levels between the two sticks.
     
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    The EXO3 Tour 100 is definitely comfortable and worth a demo. You'll either love it or hate it. It didn't really click with me, as much as I wanted it to. The 16x18 with synthetic gut was a disaster. I gave it every chance possible to win me over, but it was too trampoline-like for me. I could never get dialed in on it to get any depth control. The 18x20 version with full poly was actually an easier adjustment for me and still surprisingly comfortable.
     
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    I agree that the Ki are not really replacements for the G models. I play with the 5x and have only hit once with the 5G and 7G. Both had an even softer plusher feel. I really like the Ki-5x as it feels more like a player's racquet, but if arm problems are the main issue, I think the G versions might be slightly better for this. I switched to the Ki-5x and for 5 years have had only a few bad days instead of months of issues.
     
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    7G and Ki 5x have a exact same spec except stiffness and material.
    Many people feel that 7G is better than 5x and these two rackets are totally different.
    That means Ionic technology is not favorable, I guess.
     
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    Does anyone know if the handle of the Ki 5/5x is different from the 5G/7G? I remember on another thread they mentioned that a new PK Q model will be spec'd like the Black Ace but it will have the Kinetic technology and a graphite handle instead of a pallet handle. That might explain why the newer model might be less comfortable.
     
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    My 5G demo arrives tomorrow, can't wait to hit with it. The Prince Exo will take a couple of days...
     
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    All the Kinetic and KI models have graphite handles.

    Black Ace traditionally had pallets but the Q Tour reportedly has a graphite handle. What a disappointment.
     
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    hmm, Head LMRad MP is supposed to be one of the arm friendly racquets. Don't know how it compares to Pro Kennex though...
     
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    People who have bad arm problems will probably find the 7G better. Both are very arm friendly, but the 7G felt even more so. That being said, I like the play from the Ki-5x better as it plays more like a regular racquet, not one that is trying to save your arm. It has good pop and great control. Its just not as muted.
     
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    I had arm problems and demoed everything Pro Kennex had. Wound up with the 5G classics. L-Tec poly hybrid at 40/38 with the most awesome control I ever had in a racket, not to mention spin and just right power. Arm pain completely disappeared after about 1 month. Although my arm never hurt when hitting the ball it would throb at night.
     
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    Let me know which one is better for elbow between 7G and EXO3 Tour 16x18.
     
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    The 7G is extended length so that puts more stress on the elbow. Both are very comfortable but most if not all would probably give the nod to the Exo3 Tour.
     
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    I disagree although I am scared to with all your posts!

    I have both and I will take 5G over prince.
     
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    5G is standard length and I've never hit with it so I can't compare it to the Exo3 Tour which I have very limited time using as well.
     
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    I'll have both the Exo and 5G for the weekend, will let you know how it goes...
     
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    Played with Both the Exo Tour 100 16x18 and the 5G, both strung with Wilson NXT mid tension. 2 long singles matches...
    Wow, loved the Exo Tour... Feels softer than anything that's out there, very comfortable... I was getting insane spin on my serves and forehands, and returning hard serves with plenty of pace... Power level was more than adequate for me, and touch shots also worked well. Huge sweetspot, but sometimes some shots would fly off the stringbed, like one of TW's playtesters mentioned. I guess that the Prince Technology does work.
    I also liked the 5G, feels lighter than the listed weight, a bit more difficult to impart heavy topspin, a little less plow through. It felt a little "hollow" Easy to maneuver, but I did lose some pace when serving. So here it goes:

    Comfort: Tie, both very arm-friendly, my elbow didn't complain much afterwards.
    Control: Prince, perhaps due to the thinner bean
    Serves: Prince, but it takes an adjustment period for serving flat bomps I guess
    Volleys: N/A I never go up there lol
    Forehand: Prince, extra spin was an added bonus(I always used 18x20)
    Backhand: Prince
    Maneauverability: 5G, very well balanced
    Touch shots, angles: Prince
    Returns: Prince
    It was a very easy adjustment coming from the Liquidmetal Radical... The Exo 18x20 must be a great frame as well.
     
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    Good Review!
    Go for 18x20 if you are a flat hitter and go for 16x18 if you are a topspin player.
    Will you test PK Ki 5 or 5x?
     
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    The EXO3 Tour 100 is a spin monster. I don't think I've ever played with another racquet that makes it easier to impart heavy spin, and it's also the most comfortable modern racquet I ever tested. It didn't mesh well with my style, but if it works for you, it's probably a good choice if you want something arm-friendly. You can probably even string it with poly as long as you don't leave it in there for too long.

    One of these days, I need to practice stringing on an O3 port frame. Keep in mind if you have an O3 port racquet, you need to have an experienced stringer do it. I've been studying videos on how to do it, and there are a variety of techniques involved if your machine doesn't have a brake.
     
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    Thanks!
    I'm a counterpuncher, my speed is my strenght... My volleys are atrocious, the rest is Ok.
    It's time for me to settle with just one racquet for a while, I'm always switching...
    I sold my stringing machine a few years ago, but a have a good friend who works at a tennis store, so I get huge discounts... Good thing, because that racquet seems to be a string eater... I'm going to use a full Natural Gut job for a while.

    I have tried the KI5 as well, liked it a bit better than the 5G, it felt more solid. But honestly, I didn't notice any significant differences. The 5G is a tad easier to maneuver, and the KI5 has a bit more plow-through.
    Very soft and flexible, reminded me of an Old Wilson Pro Staff Zone 7.1 when hitting the ball.
     
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    Conclusion: Tour EXO3 is more comfortable than any PK rackets.
    Any objections?
     
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  44. Simbah2004

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    I wouldn't know, but definitively the most comfortable racquet I have ever used... I would highly recommend the Prince Exo Tour 16x18(or 18x20) for people with arm problems. If it's too heavy, the Team version is a good option.
    And I have never cared for Prince frames before...
    The Pro Kennex Ki5 or 5G are a close second, specially at low low tensions.
     
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    remember man Pro Kennex its not a dilema its a solution
    ha ha
     
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    My quick take on the PK's: owned and played with each of these for months because of sore elbow

    5G, soft muted feel, nice balance and maneuverability, very low power and small sweet spot, you must swing fully and generate your own power

    KI5, more crisp feel than the 5G, definitely a little more pop and better on off center hits

    KI5X, both of mine measure at 27.25" and not 27.5" and that .25" is not noticeable, again more crisp and less muted like the KI5 but much more pop than either of the two above and and even better on off center hits. I stuck with these as my main racquets, strung with Technifiber NRG2 17g at 56 lbs. Like the way these racquets play and still no real arm problems.

    7G, have not played with
     
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    I have not played with the 5G/7G, but I concur with most of your observations on the Ki 5 and Ki 5x. I measured my Ki 5x at 27-3/8". The length was not as noticeable to me as the swingweight. Its heft feels right in between the Ki 5 and Ki 5 PSE (which is a beast of a frame). The 5x definitely has more plow and stability than the 5, but it does come at the cost of maneuverability and spin. Fortunately, I've grown accustomed to it. I also use a multifilament string at about the same tension, but I think I will experiment with poly crosses soon.
     
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    The 5x isn't actually 27 1/2?? That's interesting, in a good way - I wish more frames were in between in stead of being either 27 or 27.5
     
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    Ramon, you're correct, the one thing I did not mention is that the KI5 seems a touch more headlight, slightly more maneuverable because of the lesser swing weight than the 5X. If I could design the perfect PK, it would have the muted feel of the 5G, the pop and larger sweet spot of the 5X, and the maneuverability of the KI5.
     
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