ProKennex: Moving particles= unaccuracy? Please advise

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  1. movdqa

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    I thought that they were in small tubes so that the movement is fairly limited. That lead that you added is going to have a much bigger effect on your stroke too unless it's all in the buttcap.

    I'll see if I can upload some video with the sound of it shaking tonight.
     
  2. mikeler

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    You can't even tell those particles are in the racket unless you shake it by your ear. People on here just want to blame their equipment for their losses.
     
  3. JackB1

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    You better buy another one in a couple of weeks just to be sure. :shock:
     
  4. danbrenner

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    No need Jack. I'm positive. Moving particles/liquid/gas/fairy dust, is just a STUPID IDEA. I'm glad that this company has helped people heal arm issues, but as far as tech that will improve your game NOOOOOOO
    Sorry PK and whoever this offends, but your technology is an absolute joke. And to all of you reading this thread, just think logically for a second. Anything moving inside a racquet is a bad idea. Let's say it was double or triple the amount of sand. Then everyone would notice it. My point is that yes it's a small amount of sand. But guess what. I noticed the extra energy it produced. And that my Freinds is A BAD IDEA THAT SOME ONE AT PK HAS COME UP WITH. it's probably a non tennis playing executive. PK you are better than this. NO MORE MOVING OBJECTS.
     
  5. movdqa

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    PK does make non-kinetic models too.
     
  6. Ronaldo

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    PK Redondo is a sweet racquet.
     
  7. danbrenner

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    Yes. And those would be the only models that I would consider. I actually appreciate the build quality of the PK frames. It's just a shame that they implemented a bad tech idea into their current lineup.
     
  8. Bud

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    How much longer do you plan on whining about this? Is it really bad technology or is it just your technique that's bad?

    It amazes me that instead of looking at yourself, you're blaming a completely innocuous use of minute particles - akin to sand.

    Go read the extensive reviews both on TT and on the TW site for the PK kinetic frames - going back at least 15 years. You're about the only person that finds the frames inconsistent because of the kinetic technology. That should really make your question yourself.

    Please advise :p
     
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  9. danbrenner

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    My technique is sound. I assure you. I have a forehand that most 4.5s can't keep up with. I love just about every brand. But moving particles are just simply A BAD IDEA. any way you slice it. If the thread makes you unhappy, then I suggest you move on, and click the unsubscribe option
     
  10. Bud

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    Or you can simply switch to something you like and stop complaining about a perfectly fine frame.

    The few grams of moving particles in this frame do not change the swing characteristics. PK had to have this frame approved before they could sell it as there were questions about whether the particles inside were legal.

    It was determined the frame offered no additional advantage based on the claimed inertia of the particles.
     
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  11. OTMPut

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    Dusted off my Ki5 PSE this weekend.
    Absolute monster. Precision, plough through and spin. It offers everything.

    What moving particles?
     
  12. JackB1

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    how about some video proof?
     
  13. danbrenner

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    Some video prop of what exactly?
     
  14. danbrenner

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    *proof. ..
     
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    Proof that he has a forehand that 4.5s would be jealous of.
     
  16. JackB1

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    see the part in bold.........your forehand that most 4.5's can't deal with....meaning you consider yourself a 5.0 pretty much.
    Let's see some video to back up your claims. I am pretty sure it will never happen.
     
  17. danbrenner

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    Jack. I have seen your vidoes. Which is why i am laughing that you of all people have the nerve to ask for video proof. LET ME BE CLEAR TO YOU AND ANYONE READING THIS THREAD. I CAN BEAT YOU WITHOUT EVEN USING MY FOREHAND. MY BACKHAND ALONE WILL BE ENOUGH TO THRASH YOU. JACK BUDDY, YOU ARE A 2.5 ON YOU BEST DAY.. i will bet up to $1,000 to back up my claim if you would like to take me up on it. I live in Long Branch NJ, and am one hour away form NYC. anytime you are in the area i will be glad to SCHOOL YOU. lol. Jack you must be kidding. you cant even move your feet, and have no forehand at all. I am Nadal as far as you are concerned. I am a legit 4.0 with an advanced forehand. that is what i had said. and yes ill take some video proof next week when my playing partner gets back into town. And yes Jack ill say it again, ill beat you and bet you on it, all while only using my backhand against you. i wont even need my forehand. whatever amount of money up to $1,000 i am game.
     
  18. Power Player

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    Ok, now it is on baby.

    $1,000 and only backhands.

    I'd like to see this match.
     
  19. danbrenner

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    hahaaaaa i love that PP is in on this.; whos your money on PP. lol.
     
  20. JackB1

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    So would I, but alas, Dan is all talk behind the safety of his keyboard. Like I'm going to fly to NY and then drive another 2 hours to Long Branch :shock:
    Notice how he changes the subject to me? I am not the one making these claims...he is. All I asked is that he backs up his claims with some video.
    So he deflects and says he could be me with just backhands. Typical.

    How about proving YOUR claim Dan? Let's see your mythical "forehands that most 4.5's can't deal with". Those were YOUR words.
     
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  21. JackB1

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    I never claimed I could beat you. I just asked for video proof of this killer forehand of yours. I am not even going to address your stupid remarks about my level because they are too ridiculous to even respond to. You are awfully defensive about this, which makes me wonder why? All I did was ask you to post some video and you blow up like you are tennis royalty or something.
    Dude...just post some video and get over yourself.
     
  22. JackB1

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    My money's on you never posting any video
     
  23. jjs891

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    Are you really going to run around all your forehands and hit just backhands ?
    Really like to see this. I just don't see it happening.

    I know where I would put my money on, lol !!
     
  24. crazyups

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    OP is whack. Pro 7g is GOAT of extended racquets. Q5 is good.
     
  25. JackB1

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    OP hasn't thought it through obviously (just like his "moving particles theory) :) But he can make up any challenge he likes, since it will never happen. Tell him to come to Atlanta and let's do it.
    I only live 30 mins from the airport. If he's a legit 4.0 and can beat me with only backhands, then I will reimburse him for his plane fare. I don't think there is ANY 4.0 that could beat me with only backhands. What is he going to do when I hit every serve to his forehand?
     
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  26. danbrenner

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    I will post videos next week when my partner is back. What is a good way to video. ? From an iPhone ? Do I need a tripod?
     
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    a reverse backhand lob or a reverse backhand push/slice on the forehand side.. ?? I have played and beaten many 4.0/4.5 players with this way.. it's call "Tous backhand".. every shots you have to play with your backhand grip including the ove head except the serve.. I once even made a bet on a backhand serve.. what you do is low backhand slice serve.. It depends on the players that you bet against actually.. It is much easier than people thought.. If you have a strong OHBH specially the slice backhand, you can beat the opponent with Tous backhand b/c they will target 99% on your forehand side so when you ready to return serve, you stay way way out to your forehand and force them to hit an ace or slice wide to your backhand.. An advanced player can run around hit a slice backhand or neutral the ball back to the court and get ready for the next shots.. You can see this kind of bet quite frequently in orange county.. Lots of Vietnamese players use to play this way and they bet thousand of dollars.. I dont know who the OP is or what his tennis skills but certain 4.0/4.5 guy play extremely well with this way.. They can't hit a forehand and running around hit with the backhand..
     
  28. Bud

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    ROFL! I figured this entire thread was trolling and this post proves it.

    I'm around your level and will take your bet about beating me with your BH only :lol:

    Be hilarious pounding shots to your FH side and watching you attempt to run around everything with your BH.
     
  29. JackB1

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    IPhone works fine. I just bungee it to the back fence with the "eye" in the middle of the fence links. I use a small, think bungee cord.
     
  30. Chotobaka

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    My money says this exchange is going to end with a whimper or an equipment failure.
     
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  31. danbrenner

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    Bud. You have 30,000 posts. So it shocks me that you could be so wrong in identifying me as a troll. Au contraire mon fraire. I am as real as you can get. Just because my sig says Fedace, don't assume. As far as playing you with my backhand only, well I have never seen you play. And it's too late now. If anyone reading this thread is ever in the Central Jersey area, Long Branch to be exact, I would love to hit the courts with you.
     
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    Thanks Jack. My partner gets back next week. I'll figure something out with the iPhone /video when I get back on the courts.
     
  33. Bud

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    Claiming minute particles in PK frames ruin your game and then claiming you can beat someone running around every BH is trolling in my book.

    As you can see many have stopped taking you seriously.
     
  34. danbrenner

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    It's funny that you say that. Because the one time I tried uploading a video from my iPhone to YT I had a problem doing so. I don't even remember what that problem was. But I will send the video to Jack personally if I encounter any difficulties. I am not looking for any excuses.
     
  35. danbrenner

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    You are correct. However I use a two handed backhand. And of course a nice penetrating slice. And my backhand is admittedly my weakest stroke. My serve and forehand are where i shine.
     
  36. danbrenner

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    Just to be fair to PK. I only played with the Qtour 295. 98". My forehand was off. I could feel a slight push of inertia and it really bothered me because I really wanted to like the frame. I will say it again. However small they may be, moving particles are a horrendous idea for a precision sport like tennis. That is a technology that helps arm issues. Yes great. But no bueno for precision striking. Anything fixed into place would suffice. Take those same particles and stuff them in so they can't move and voila. And don't go into another tirade about how clever the scientists are that cane up with this tech. Blah blah. They just didn't need to have them move around. It's that simple. These scientist probably don't play tennis.
     
  37. mikeler

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    I just thought of a technical glitch. Can Dan hit left handed backhands when they play?
     
  38. JackB1

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    cool. looking forward to seeing it.
     
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    You think that will make things easier? Switching hands while the ball is coming and then hitting a backhand with your non-dominant hand? Sure, I'll allow that :)
     
  40. mikeler

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    Carry on boys...

    ;)
     
  41. JackB1

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    lol.

    I am going to try and find a really good local 4.0 or 4.5 volunteer to play me using only backhands just to show how difficult it really is and I will report back the score. I can't even imagine them taking 1 game in a set.
    I will try and find someone with a strong backhand as well.
     
  42. junior74

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    Hehe, why not make a video? I would love to see someone running around their forehand in order to hit a backhand return on a sliced serve on it way out of the deuce court :D
     
  43. danbrenner

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    U can't imagine one game in a set. Not very logical Jack. Have you ever heard of service games for starters. You think you're gonna win any service games against a 4.0? I doubt it. Unless your opponent had a myriad of unforced errors. And again, I doubt that. So now that we've blown your mind and shown uiu how you're automatically gonna lose 3 games in the set, all we have to do is break your 2.5 serve once. Starting to see the grand scheme of things?
     
  44. JackB1

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    I don't have enough storage on my iphone for long videos.

    Actually I just thought of a friend who is a 5.0 with a strong backhand (Rick, you listening? :))
    that will probaly try this with me.
     
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    I would never do that. Would not help. I am using Cyclone tour 17s myself. 56mx54cr. Love the string. Lost it's elasticity after 2 hrs of hard hitting. Then it stiffens up or bags out and takes on a different feel which lasts the remainder of its play. But I still enjoy the soft response off te stringbed when that happens. I just can't decide wether I like the Tour or the original better. I have some v tourqe lying around that I will try next.
     
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    Dan....I have played in an Atlanta 4.0 singles league for 7 seasons now and I would have been automatically dropped down if my win/loss ratio was bad. So yes, I have won many service games against other 4.0's. You are making the common mistake of judging my game by only what you see on video. If I was as bad as you claim, wouldn't my record reflect that? I don't know you, but I would guess that you are probably under 30 years old,
    because younger guys tend to make the mistake of judging other players visually.

    Sure you may be able to win some service games if your serve was dominating, but I haven't come across too many 4.0's that dominate with their service games. I doubt you will win each and every one of your service games
    and I know for sure you won't win any of my service games. Of course I have never seen you play, but I am basing my response on the many 4.0 matches I have played so far.

    Here is my record so far for this latest season. It's not the best, but it's competitive. Certainly no 2.5 as you seem to think.
    Funny how you suddenly got all defensive when all I asked was to see some video.
     
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  47. movdqa

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    Hey Jack, do you have a link to your videos handy?
     
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    you are a 3.0/3.5 . (thats not a bad thing) im giving you an upgrade.. this video proves that. if youre beating 4.0s, they shouldnt be 4.0's. but whatever tomatoes tomaatos. it would be a tough match . my backhand only vs u. probably be a very close game.
     
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    Well, Dan, sorry to break it to you, but you don't hand out the ratings.
    I WAS 3.0 back when I started tennis in the Spring of 2010 and then in Spring 2011 went up to -3.5 and went 7-0 and bumped up to 3.5 in Summer 2011.

    I still say no way you are beating me only using backhands. My offer stands....come to Atlanta and play me best 2 out of 3 and if you win I refund you your plane ticket cost.
     

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