Pros and Cons of Wilson Baiardo and Babolat Star 5

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  1. Litespeeds

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    If you had to choose one, which would you pick and why? I would love to hear from those who have strung on both machines and tell us what they liked and disliked about each machine. Thanks.
     
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  2. drakulie

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    Only things I like better on star 5 are speed of the pull and release of tension head and the jaws on the mounting arms.
     
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  3. Roger Wawrinka

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    I was lucky enough to string on a star 5, really great machine. I agree with what Drak says, It pulls very fast and the mounting system is very easy too. I have seen the Baiardo before, but never strung on one. I think the star 5 is nicer, and more clean. The baiardo has too many features that you really do not need, but that's just my opinion.:)
     
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  4. Litespeeds

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    The faster pull speed is good but I heard it is not good for stringing poly because you want to pull it as slow as possible. Also many people have said the Star 5 overshoots the tension by as much as 8lbs before returning back to the set tension. Both are very accurate machines.

    Stringing on the Baiardo is more ergonomically friendly as it tilts for the user but when you do the crosses and it tilts even more, the clamps slide downwards and gets in the way. It's definitely more eye candy but you really can't go wrong with either.

    I know they use the Baiardo at the US Open and the Star 5 at the French Open. Which other major tournaments are these used exclusively at?
     
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    I strung with these two fortunately, the star 5 is straight forward machine. Have easy mounting system, clamps are great and good tensioner. The wilson baiardo has lots of features. The one thing I like is that machine adjusts to my height and tilts it for me, making it easier to either string the mains and crosses. They are remarkable machines.
    To reply to Litespeed, I know that the Wilson baiardo is being used at the us open and Australian open. The babolat star 5 is used at the French open. I think prince neos is at Wimbledon.
     
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  6. thompenator

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    They use the Prince 6000 at Wimbledon.
     
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    We actually use the Sensor at the French Open.

    I own a Star 5 and I like it a lot. It's a very smooth, easy to use machine. I think most of us who string at the French Open would prefer to use it over the Sensor, mainly because it has the Diablo. My one issue with it is the interface, and having to go into the menu to change from lbs to kgs, or to turn on pre-stretch, etc.

    I've never used a Baiardo. Having the ergonomic function wouldn't really be something that I'm interested in at the moment, but then again I'm young and leaning over a machine for extended periods of time isn't something that bothers me or that I find uncomfortable.
     
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  8. Wikky

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    I've strung 20 racquet days on both. I have multiple stress fractures in my lower back. On a star 5 i went home and my back hurt. on the baiardo it felt like it had been any other day, back felt great. I also support the baiardo because i found the clamps much more effective and repairs / maintenance where easier to do myself without prior experience or instruction.
     
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  9. BoingTennis

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    Hi guys, I'm currently in the market for a new machine for my pro shop.

    Currently I have a Victor C7027 with the Wise Head (I live in Asia). I don't have any major problems with the machine, I just want to upgrade to a better, faster, more reliable, and more accurate machine.

    Seems like both the Baiardo and Star 5 are great machines. I think either one would be a great upgrade for me. At this point, the only factor I'm considering is price between them.

    Does anyone know how much the Baiardo and Star5 are selling for?
     
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  10. drakulie

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    ^^Last I checked a Star 5 is about $3,500, Baiardo is about $6,000. However, you could get a Baiardo (little bit of use) from Wilson for about $4,000.
     
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    $6000?

    Drakulie, do you know whether these high-end machines can be leased?
     
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    Unfortunately these are US prices, dont think you will get that price in Asia or Europe... ;-)

    Star 5 will be around: 6000$
    Sensor expert: 11.000$
    Yonex ES5: 9000$
    Baiardo: 7600$
     
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    who do i contact to get one of those Baiardos?
     
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    i have only used star 5 and i think you cant get much better than that. the bairdo looks awesome though i saw 3 of them in nyc
     
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    Maybe we could ship you one from US as "gift" to avoid taxes
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    Money no option...Baiardo, you might need some of the features later.
     
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  18. BoingTennis

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    That's exactly what I'm going to do. Buy locally in the states and get it shipped to my door using a forwarding service. It's a lot cheaper than buying the machine locally. The only drawback would be the lost of warranty coverage, which I'm not too worried about.
     
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  19. schap02

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    Drak is the whiz - he could probabl help you locate one for the right price - Wilson usually unloads there machines after tournaments are over with, I think it's their subtle way of getting more machines in to shops than simply waiting for shops to purchase at normal price levels...
     
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    I know a while back someone posted that the Star 5 has an overshoot problem and that poster was able to measure that with some sophisticated expensive type of scale devise.
    This was one of the posts about the problem of star 5:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5832364&postcount=6

    If this is true, it would seem to me the Baiardo should be a more accurate machine.
     
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  21. Litespeeds

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    I've tested the tension for both a Star 5 and Baiardo with a cheaper Gamma String Calibrator and both are dead on when set to 40, 45, 50, 55 and 60 pounds. I figured I didn't need to check any other tensions.

    The only difference is the Star 5 pulls a little faster and shoots past the set tension by around 2-3 pounds before settling back to the set tension. Almost like prestretching the string. The Baiardo pulls a little slower and hits the set tension and stays there. The plus is you can also set the Baiardo to pull even slower which I heard is best for stringing polys.
     
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  22. drakulie

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    It is.

    All my testing on the Baiardo and Star 5 mirrors Alber Lees findings. Star 5 overshoots by as much as 5-8 lbs, and then comes back to stop at about 2-3 lbs over. Baiardo is dead on.
     
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  23. Jackie Treehorn1

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    I have had both the Baiardo and Star 5 in my shop and have strung extensively on both. Both are nice but head to head I'd take the Baiardo. Stringing all day on the Baiardo is so much easier on the back its amazing. Yes we broke more poly on the Star 5, never on the Baiardo. The Baiardo looks better in Person, the Star 5 is all plastic and frankly looks cheap in comparison. If its in your basement looks don't really matter but in a pro shop it matters. I have never had to repair either but sending the Baiardo in is much easier to ship the electronics back if there is an issue versus the whole machine. I like the locking system on turn table on the wilson much better if your stringing a lot of princes. Although both have very rounded pieces I'd say the star 5 gets the string caught more than the Baiardo. Again both are great machines I don't want to sound like I'm ripping the Star 5 but head to head we swtiched to the Baiardo and have since added a 2nd and sold our Star 5.
     
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  24. lwto

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    Just curious about the diablo. The sensor has a high mounting fixture, not sure what it's called, but when the string is placed into the tension head, it pretty much is always at the same angle and straight. I haven't used a diablo before, but I thought the sensor's string guide was pretty simple and elegant design with out having to twirl the string around. Any comments?
     
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  25. Tennusdude

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    Wilson Baiardo USED??

    Hi Drakulie,
    There is a Baiardo on **** currently for 3000 dollars and it has over 5000 string jobs and 1 year left on warranty. What is your opinion of that deal? Also can you explain in detail how I can obtain a used machine from Wilson? Please email me at Randyrap@aol.com
    Thanks
     
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