Pros never seem that dissapointed to loose, annoying!

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by morten, Apr 17, 2007.

  1. morten

    morten Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    3,308
    Do they care? Too much money even if they loose? Even at my level it seems players care more if they win or loose...
     
    #1
  2. Ronny

    Ronny Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2006
    Messages:
    1,539
    Location:
    Australia
    actually they do care, they care about it quite alot the just don't show it publicly. plus what can they do the match is already over, all to do i just keep on practicing
     
    #2
  3. caulcano

    caulcano Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    People tend to show their emotions in different ways.

    And like Ronny said, they're unlikely to show their true emotions publicly.
     
    #3
  4. Solat

    Solat Professional

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,242
    lose, not loose
     
    #4
  5. Young Gun

    Young Gun Rookie

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Messages:
    108
    i used 2 think that also, but i realised it would just be another week and then the next week another tournament
     
    #5
  6. Nick b

    Nick b Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    287
    Location:
    uk
    can u imagine lets say if fedz lost and instead of a handshake and a pat on the back he smashed his raket started crying throwing stuff spiting at his oponnent not very nice eighh?
     
    #6
  7. morten

    morten Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    3,308
    lose, ok, english is not my first language :) I know people show emotions differently, but tour tennisplayers seem to hide it 97% of the time, so they are sort of the same(boring) Anyway i miss players that show emotions on court, period.
     
    #7
  8. morten

    morten Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    3,308
    I cant imagine that, but dont you think it is a shame that all players turn to the "ice-Borg" mode... i do, i am very calm myself btw. 20, even 10 years ago it seemed different. Players showed more heart and grid. The diversity is good IMO. But this is a problem with all professional athletes nowadays i think, same boring answers in interviews etc. Steriotypes. Originality and spontanity(?) is gone...
     
    #8
  9. mmuubb

    mmuubb Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2006
    Messages:
    305
    Ask Marat or Lleyton if they are dissapointed after losing.
     
    #9
  10. kingdaddy41788

    kingdaddy41788 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,753
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Listen to one of Roddick's press conferences after a loss and see if it isn't original. I used to hate the guy until I heard one of his press conferences. He's hilarious.
     
    #10
  11. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,702
    Location:
    CT
    I think most of the players are very realistic and have a sense while the match is going on. C'mon, they do this week in and week out. Plus they know what their opponents strenths and weaknesses are, and a lot if it too depends on how you are or the other person is executing the game plan that day.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2007
    #11
  12. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,702
    Location:
    CT
    With Roddick there seems to be some effort put in to be funny with his interviews. If you want to see a natural, watch Safin.IMO
     
    #12
  13. grizzly4life

    grizzly4life Professional

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Messages:
    1,057
    FWIW, golf and tennis announcers seem to really like the guys who show same emotions winning or losing (that's during the match).

    nick faldo, retief goosen and ernie els seem to come to mind in golf (all from the commonwealth??)

    not sure who in tennis.... arguable it wasn't good for bjorn borg.
     
    #13
  14. kingdaddy41788

    kingdaddy41788 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,753
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Who cares if there's effort? They're both funny.
     
    #14
  15. forzainter

    forzainter Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2006
    Messages:
    764
    Location:
    Scotland
    Federer used to do that, i read it in the book 'fantastic federer', he lost a match in hamburg one year, shook the guys hand then smashed his racquet underneath the umpires chair.
     
    #15
  16. cghipp

    cghipp Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    1,282
    7/5/98, Wimbledon:

     
    #16
  17. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,702
    Location:
    CT
    Well good to know you find Roddick funny. Enjoy.
     
    #17
  18. !Tym

    !Tym Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 6, 2004
    Messages:
    1,697
    Exactly, take a look at the recent Gaudio-Tursunov match. No one WANTS to lose necessarily. But these guys just aren't as confident as they used to be.

    Tursunov goes from having his breakthrough year, to being decidedly POOR this year.

    It's like the commentator said, at this level, people don't realize how little it takes to go on a downward spiral. If you're just slightly burned out, or lose a little confidence, or whatever; you can and will start losing matches in a hurry.

    I remember one of the best comments I ever heard about the difference between the challenger level and college level. One of the former top college guys trying to make it at the challenger level said, that the difference is that in college you know that if you're a top guy there's only a couple of guys who you know can beat you even if you're having a good day.

    But at the challenger level, the difference is that EVERYONE can beat you, if they're having a good day.

    I remember Kevin Kim once said that seedings don't mean *anything* at the challenger level, and everyone in the draw knows that. He said, that everyone hear can beat everyone on any given day.

    Another way to look at it, as you get better at tennis, you realize that you're ability to "zone" increases. Why is that? Simply, because you have more skills.

    Even if you don't have any weapons per say, a fast speedy guy who anticipates well, can get in a zone with his anticipation and seemingly be onto EVERY ball you hit and know where you hit before you do. See Hewitt, when he was at his peak. The guy just looked so completely locked into the ball and your body cues, it was ridiculous and intimidating.

    Look at the highlights of Chang from the recent French Open highlight marathons.

    Chang looked ridiculously locked in those matches. His eyes were bulging out something FIERCE. Near the end of his career, not only had he lost his speed, but he also had lost his confidence. The old Chang was ready to pounce like lightning on the SLIGHTEST sign of weakness from his opponent, the slightest oppening. Later in his career, you'd see him just inexplicably give up in matches and half-heartedly tank.

    Against Arazi, he played unbelievable for almost all of two sets, until it came time to close it out. It looked like the old Chang for awhile. Then, all of a sudden, he instantly got tight, because he just didn't believe in himself anymore. More importantly, the CAGED INSTINCTS of an ANIMAL that you saw in those French Open clips was no longer there. What you saw in his eyes was fear, hesitation, in short, a *wounded animal*.

    Arazi, who's one of the worst tankers around, picked up on this, and seized his opportunity, stole the second set from under Chang's feet, then POOF, Chang instantly just went away, was sour the whole rest of the way, looked like Rios throwing a hissy-fit out there the rest of the way. He barely moved for balls after that, would spank balls long on purpose, out of frustration. It was like watching a little kid whose just had his feelings badly hurt throw a temper tantrum.

    It happens.

    I often think the difference between players during their peak and when they fall out of it, is that feeling of being LOCKED IN. When players are at their best, other player can sense and feel it too, which makes them play worse, and kind of just "go away" so to speak. Seriously, the biggest difference when you watch players when they're peaking is that they look LOCKED IN...*even when* they're not playing all that well in a given match, they'll still have that locked in look, like hey I still believe, I'm still hanging around, I'll find away to turn this ship around and find my A game. In other words, a confident player even on a bad day, will still look like he's *scheming*. Chang, more than any other top player I've seen with the exception of Connors, EXEMPLIFIED this. Even during his peak, he would often be down in matches, the difference was that his opponents new and still feared him anyway, because they knew Chang NEVER gave up on a match. His beady little eyes would just get beadier if he was playing poorly or losing, and inevitably no matter how bad the day, he'd still imagine to make a little run at the end and at least push you...AND, of course, also win his fair share of these matches too. The old, DEJECTED Chang simply rolled over and went away at the first sign of adversity in a match. And his opponents smiled, and said thank God.

    ...and, of course, the opposite of that is when players aren't confident, they'll have a kind of "spaced out" look, or not seem that dissapointed in losing. It's a kind of built-in defense mechanism, a cop out if you will. If you act like you're not devastated, then you preserve more pride and dignity that way. See, Forrest Griffen running out of the cage balling after losing to Keith Jardine, and seeing his #1 contender match hopes dissapear in a literal blurry.

    ...and, of course, that only happened because what/why? Because, he felt like he was on a roll and he was confident that he'd win. When you're not confident, when you almost will disaster, by acting like you don't care that much if and WHEN you lose. It's just a way of bracing yourself for the inevitable. Of course, once you do that, then why bother showing up in the first place? At this level, you can't pray that your opponent feels sorry for you and gives you a gift.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2007
    #18
  19. kingdaddy41788

    kingdaddy41788 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,753
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Well... I don't know about when he wins. He's hilarious when he loses. And it doesn't seem like he's trying to be funny at all.
     
    #19

Share This Page