Pro's Pro Counterparts

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  1. T-ennis 888

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    Guys,

    I’ve been reading up on threads in connection with Pro’s Pro strings since the weekend just gone. In a nutshell, there’s loads of strings and I was hoping to get a list going whereby people can write down what strings they think Pro’s Pro products are similar/equivalent to.

    To start the ball rolling, I understand their Blackout (this would be a great name for a Decepticon btw) is very similar by all accounts to Tecnifibre Black Code so:

    1.) Blackout ~ Tecnifibre Black Code

    If users of Pro’s Pro strings past and present could continue this, I think it might be useful for those interested in these strings.

    As always, thanks in advance those that respond.
     
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  2. Federerkblade

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    blackout is immense. .... i just hope the 1.23 will stand in the wilson 99s. i use it at 49 lbs
     
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  3. TepidFish

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    1.) Blackout ~ Tecnifibre Black Code
    2.) Red Devil ~ Tecnifibre Red Code
    3.) Spinox ~ Luxilon 4G/Big Banger Original
     
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  4. fortun8son

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    Hitec-Multifiber~MCS
    Plus Power~SPPP
    Vendetta~ProLine 2
    I've read that they play very similar at first, but drop off more quickly.
    Still, not a bad trade-off for the price.
     
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  5. T-ennis 888

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    1.) Blackout ~ Tecnifibre Black Code
    2.) Red Devil ~ Tecnifibre Red Code
    3.) Spinox ~ Luxilon 4G/Big Banger
    4.) Hitec-Multifiber ~ MCS
    5.) Plus Power ~ SPPP
    6.) Vendetta ~ ProLine 2

    Anymore? Keep them coming!
     
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  6. smirker

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    PP Concept= WeissCannon Scorpion
     
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  7. jibinhe

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    Spinox--Luxilon 4G/Big Banger Origin, really? There is nothing I like about spinox, too much power, no control, no feel, not consistant, only spin is decent. I cut it out after 2hrs use......If that is how 4G/BBO works, I am glad that I didn't pay my hard earned money on those......

    On another hand, I really like Red Devil. got a reel right after I tried it. Sometime I wonder how blackout compare to it, but I felt I don't want to try other strings until I finished the reel of Red Devil.
     
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  8. TepidFish

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    Haha those are exactly my sentiments of Spinox. I feel 4G and BBO are the closest in comparing "Name-Brand" strings. They could just be really tension sensitive... I found when strung at or above 55lbs they played too stiff and boardy, where as stringing them below 50lbs sacrificed too much control.

    Personal preference I suppose as well. My brother uses 4G & BBO in his setup and when I purchased sets of Spinox I gave him one to try. He said it felt pretty close to 4G/BBO just tension maintenance was pretty poor.

    I am a big fan of Red Devil! I bought a set of it along with Blackout to compare during my experimenting phase, and ended up buying a reel of it over Blackout.

    Couldn't feel a big difference between the two since I was stringing it in the crosses, so I went with Red Devil for cosmetic reasons.

    Which gauge did you buy your reel in?
     
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  9. TepidFish

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    Ah... read your gauge in your sig.
     
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  10. fortun8son

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    I have been using a lot of Pro's Pro strings and I've been wondering about Red Devil.
    I bought a set of 1.14 that I haven't used yet.
    I was thinking about the 1.29 as a replacement for RedCode 1.30.
    Thoughts?
     
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  11. bigmalik76

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    Love Blackout for sure, it's the best Pro's Pro string that I have tried so far and would have no problem playing with it anytime.

    I thought Vendetta was good as well but for me Blackout was the best.

    Hexaspin I did not like at all, too muted IMO. As a main in Hybrid it was terrible but as a cross was ok.

    Gutex Ultra was a super soft multi extremely comfortable but after tension loss became too trampoline like for me. Did work well as a cross in hybrid setup. But I think I prefer even some syn guts above it.

    I know there is no counterpart information, but thought I will add some information about Pro's Pro nonetheless. I would definitely recommend the Blackout to try.
     
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  12. jibinhe

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    1.19, will try thinner one next time. I think thinner string may just suit me better.

    One thing I noticed about Red Devil, the color of the set I had is bit different comparing to the reel. The set has deeper and darker red color, the reel is closer to orange. And I felt they also had slightly different feel, or maybe it was just in my head?
     
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  13. stringsguy

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    agreed

    Blackout - Tecnifibre Black Code
    Red Devil - Tecnifibre Red Code
    Plus Power - Signum Pro Poly Plasma

    also these are certainly our most popular
     
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  14. Captain Haddock

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    What about Revoltec (green)?
     
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  15. brooker

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    I like its Nano Cyber Power. But I don't know what its "counterpart" is.
     
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  16. PaulC

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    I'd say Revoltec is roughly equivalent to Polystar Energy.

    Then again, I am hybriding it with various synthetic crosses which may muddy up the direct comparison between the 2.
     
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  17. smirker

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    Anyone tried Strategem? Just bought a reel on a whim.
     
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  18. stringsguy

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    believe its a quite hard on the arm
     
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  19. kcmiser

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    Strategem is hard on the arm? Is that right?

    I won't break TW rules by linking to another site, but I Googled "pro's pro strings", and one of the sites that came up carried these strings, and on most strings had "compare to" information. I have absolutely no idea how reliable those comparisons are, but they had Strategem comparing to Dunlop Black Widow, which is a soft as a poly gets.

    Due to arm trouble, I've recently switched from stiff poly's at 52 lbs. to Isospeed Baseline (very soft and elastic) at 40 lbs., and I'm actually growing to really like the elasticity and pocketing I get in addition to the comfort I was seeking. However, it is noticably lacking in spin. So I was looking for something soft and elastic, but with better spin. Black Widow would be perfect, but $170 per reel is more than I'm willing to spend. Based on the "compare to" information I came across, I thought Strategem was a BW copy, so I was strongly considering giving it a try, and was surpirsed to see it described as "hard on the arm", as I was thinking it would be just the opposite. Does anyone have input on this?
     
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  20. Sage

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    I googled Pro's Pro Strategem as well and found the review below. I am looking at picking up a reel myself.

    Power: Really good controllable power. Gives you little extra power without fear of hitting long. 8/10

    Spin: Excellent access to spin. Felt my topspin shots had little extra kick and slice stayed nice and low. 9/10

    Control: This string has nice feedback and I found it really precise. Could hit my marks with confidence. 8.5/10

    Comfort: No problems with this one. Really comfortable both with either a full bed of this or in hybrid setups. 8.5/10

    Durability: String played same way in the beginning and in the 10 hour mark until a restring was needed. 9/10
     
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  21. Lakers4Life

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    I read somewhere Blackout was similar to Wiess Cannon B5E. Black Force is like RPM Blast, but slightly softer which most prefer. Strategem is suppose to be like Black Widow, but neither I or my clients have tried Black Widow.
     
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  22. purple-n-gold

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    Just got a set of blackout and red devil to try out this weekend.
     
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  23. swfh

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    Let us know what you think. What gauge?
     
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  24. Muppet

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    Stratagem 1.25 or Iso Baseline Spin?

    My main concern is longevity, but I would use it for an all court game. I just switched to a modified eastern forehand from eastern and I'm getting a lot more spin with a Cyber Flash/Hexy Fiber hybrid. I would use the new string in full bed.
     
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  25. Macedo

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    I'm gonna tell you one thing about Pro's pro strings...they can play very well in the court, they are really cheap. And off court? People with some tendences to injuries will know what I'm talking about
    This strings produces a lot of vibrations comparing to other strings, believe me, and it will massacre all part of your arm. Most probably injury: tendinitis

    That was what happened to me, and that's my opinion about this strings. Any other opinions are welcome (;
     
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  26. ART ART

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    What Pro'sPro strings did you try ?
    Gauge / tension, and racket?
     
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  27. Macedo

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    Cyber Power (that cause me some injuries), HexaSpin, Intense Heat, Vendetta. All of them 1,25mm, in a Babolat Pure Storm with 22kg

    I used to play with PHT, then changed to the Cyber Power and got a tendinitis on my shoulder. Back to PHT but I was breaking too much, so I decided to go back to Cyber power...after a month I had a injury in my elbow. I cured it, and after a month did it again and again
     
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  28. ART ART

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    I have used CyberPower 1.25mm and haven't got any problems...
    The same with Strategem, no problems.
    I only have problems with Black Force 1.20mm, IF strung to tight.

    With AluPower, 4G, Most of babolat polys, IF strung to tight I have allways problems...

    All in all, it will allways depends on may factors... balls, rackets, GRIP SIZE, etc...

    Polys are made to be strung in the lower range/tension, for me 22Kilos it's just to much for any poly in that racket you use, 18~19kilos top max.

    BUT this is only my opinion/experience.
     
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  29. Macedo

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    Ok, that's your opinion, and I agree with that except the tension but okey. You just can't deny that it produces a lot of vibrations that kill your arm
     
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  30. ART ART

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    With CyberPower 1.25mm I haven't got any problems.
    The same with Strategem, and some other strings from Pro'sPro, NO Problems.

    But I GOT a LOT of vibrations that kill's your arm, with Luxillon and Babolat strings !

    So I CAN deny that Pro'sPro kill's your arm.

    What Pro'sPro Strings are killing... are the overprized strings that many brands/sellers use to sell ... this is the problem for many around here !
     
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  31. Macedo

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    Disagree, if it kills your arm Lux and Babolat strings it's because you can't play with polys. But there are also good, average and bad strings in both brands.There are smooth strings with greats pops, or not. But a simple string isn't the solution to a thousand of players. Yes, this is very confusing and can be very discussed

    What I'm trying to say is that Pro's pro strings have more vibrations than "normal" strings. And that you can't avoid anyway
     
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  32. fortun8son

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    I have clients using Plus Power 1.28, Vendetta 1.20, Ichiban Spin 1.21, and Blackout 1.24.
    All in hybrids with syngut or multi crosses.
    I have had no negative feedback. They come back for more.
    I have also had good results with HiTec Multifibre, GutPower16, and GutexUltra17.
     
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  33. Smasher08

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    Nope, I completely disagree with your points here. In my experience Lux and Bab are stiffer than a lot of other polys and can transfer a LOT of shock after their resiliency period ends. The Pro's Pro strings I've played with, like the MSV strings, seemed to be softer.

    Pro's Pro strings do have more vibrations than syngut or multis, but seem to be among the softer polys. I wouldn't include Bab and Lux in that group even though both have their fair share of followers who love them.
     
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  34. ART ART

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    I say it again:

    What Pro'sPro Strings are killing... are the overprized strings that many brands/sellers use to sell ... this is the problem for many around here !!!

    Rest my "case"...
     
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  35. T-ennis 888

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    Following on from kcmiser's post - would you regard Dunlop Black Widow as a counterpart for Strategem.
     
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  36. SoCalJay

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    How do Pro's Pro strings compare to offerings from Unique/Tourna? I've been a big fan of BHBR and BHB7 lately because the performance is great for my game and the price blows nearly everything else away. Pro's Pro seems to be competing at a similar price point so I'm curious to hear feedback about performance, tension maintenance, etc from anyone who has experience with products from both companies.
     
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  37. Lakers4Life

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    I get the same feed back from most of my clients too. I usually try to steer them to under 55 lbs. GutexUltra plays like NXT, very soft but not so durable. I mainly sell Blackout or Black Force, as an alternative to RPM Blast or B5E, and my cleints can't really tell the difference, other than it being softer on the arm.
     
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  38. fortun8son

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    FWIW I got the GutexUltra 17 mainly for racquetball as an alternative to strings like Prince Premier Softflex.
     
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  39. Lakers4Life

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    I was about to try GutexUltra for RB as well, but it's slightly on the expensive side. There is also ClayCourt Plus that's more durable.

    I get my Pro's Pro from a local distributor. Has anyone order driectly from Arfaian? I can probably save a little, but it takes too long to ship from Austria.
     
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  40. domosborn

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    FWIW My choice of pros pro string is intense heat in the mains w/ hexspin twist in the crosses (cant remember the gaages but i think IH is 1.25 and HT is 1.20mm) I know a lot of people don't see the point of hybriding crosses but at least for me, i found that intense heat, while a solid string and comfortable, felt a bit muddy in full bed, whereas the twist cross made the string bed a bit crisper, putting the twist in the crosses, for me, tends to get the best results, but in full bed it is the worst string in the range, excellent for hybrids w/both polys and synth gut. Revoltec (in 1.17) is one that doesnt get a lot of press on here but gets very positive reviews w/ people i have strung for/various friends etc. (IMO that is better in full bed, as it is a crisper string anyway)
     
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  41. Sage

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    Hi Art,

    Please let me know what your opinion of the PRO'S PRO Strategem, and what it plays like.

    Thanks
     
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  42. ART ART

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    Hi,
    I am using Dunlop ICE now, I have used strategem some time ago when I was in Austria during a "tennis clinic", but for what I can remember it plays like Babolat RPM Team, but softer.
    Good control and spin, not much power, but softer than Babolat RPM Team.
    :)
     
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  43. luishcorreia

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    I think the counters parts summary is:

    1.) Blackout ~ Tecnifibre Black Code
    2.) Red Devil ~ Tecnifibre Red Code
    3.) Spinox ~ Luxilon 4G/Big Banger
    4.) Hitec-Multifiber ~ MCS
    5.) Plus Power ~ SPPP
    6.) Vendetta ~ ProLine 2
    7.) PP Concept ~ WeissCannon Scorpion
    8.) Revoltec ~ Polystar Energy.
     
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  44. Lefty78

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    Can anyone compare Strategem with Intense Heat?
     
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  45. Doctor of Tennis

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    is there a pro's pro counterpart to Head Sonic Pro?
     
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  46. luishcorreia

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    Usina black out regularly now at 20k, just feels soft and nice. Loving it. After 8 hours still no difference
     
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  47. eelhc

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    Anyone have an opinion on Claycourt plus?

    Also... I've been using multi mains with soft smooth poly crosses (Rip Control or Hexy Fiber mains with Cyber Blue or Baseline Spin crosses) and like this setup. Very comfortable with good control + spin and durable enough for me. What Pro's Pro poly is soft and smoothest/slipperiest... similar to Cyber Blue?
     
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  48. Lukhas

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    I already mentioned it on other threads, but HexMulti is basically a copy of Dunlop Hexy Fiber.
     
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  49. Muppet

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    You might not see a Cyber Blue clone come out. Pro's Pro usually offers strings that emulate more expensive offerings from the big brands and Cyber Blue is reasonably priced.
     
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  50. MachiA.

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    Same stuff.

    KR
     
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