Pro's Pro Starting Clamp

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  1. idono1301

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    Hi all,

    What's the consensus on the Pro's Pro starting clamp?

    I see that Big T Tennis has them for $27.70, and was thinking of picking one up.

    I tried searching, but most threads don't have too many customer experiences with them.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. microphage

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    I just bought one last week. About to string one up tonight so I'll get back to you. Now to figure out how to use it........
     
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  3. idono1301

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    Oh cool, what nice timing haha. Did you buy it from Big T Tennis also?

    Thanks, and good luck. I've seen Yulite had some videos on how to use it.
     
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  4. struggle

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    I have the eagnas clamp (same, I assume) and it works fine. Much stronger springs than my gamma clamp, which also works fine.
     
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  5. idono1301

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    Hi struggle,

    so no problems with slipping or strings getting crushed?

    Also, could you please tell me if the coating on the gripper is part of the clamp, or on a piece of metal that is glued on, like the gamma clamps?

    Thanks!
     
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  6. struggle

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    Any coating is not a glued on piece, but perhaps a dusting that is mixed into the metal when forged. I've had no problems with crushing or slipping with either clamp.

    The Gamma clamp is made the same way, just has fewer/weaker springs.

    They both work fine, I like the eagnas better for snugging knots as it holds better when pulling. Starting clamps tend to want to open when using them for this purpose and the stronger springs help in that manner.
     
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  7. idono1301

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    Okay cool, I think I'll pull the trigger on this!

    Just waiting to see if microphage has a second opinion on this in the next half hour or so.

    Again, thanks so much for your reply! I appreciate it.
     
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  8. struggle

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    tbh, I'll have to look at my gamma clamp again. I don't think it has glued on pieces but I could be wrong. Never paid much attention.
     
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  9. microphage

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    Just strung my racquet with it. Works well. Does the job. I guess that's really all there is to a clamp. No graphene or amplifeel technology. Buy the clamp and buy some reels of strings while your at it. (Vendetta is pretty soft poly and easy to string)
     
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  10. idono1301

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    Hi microphage,

    Thanks! I think I'll get it then.

    I was debating getting strings, but I would only like something close to Alu power. I have a set of Tourna big hitter silver that I'll string up after the clamp comes in. Do you have any recommendations?
     
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  11. struggle

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    I was incorrect as I just checked.

    My Gamma clamp DOES have the "glued on" metal plates
    with the diamond coating on them.

    I've yet to have a problem with it.
     
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  12. microphage

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    I don't have any recommendations otherwise on strings. I've only tried the vendetta. It's probably too soft for your taste then. There's a Pros Pro thread that has lots of recommendations. :)
     
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  13. struggle

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    Pro's Pro Black Force is supposedly similar to RPM, i believe.
     
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  14. idono1301

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    Thanks for the information and suggestions!

    To be honest, since I made the switch to poly a few years back, I've only tried alu.

    I'll look into black force, thanks again!
     
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  15. zapvor

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    the problem is, once you use a babolat clamp, you are ruined. i cant use anything else now
     
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  16. Wes

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    Like Struggle, I also have an Eagnas starting clamp. I got it as part of a complete set of tools, which was almost free.
    All of the tools were in like new condition (I'm not sure if they were EVER used), so I was curious to test the holding power of the starting clamp.

    I pulled 80lbs. of tension directly on it (single string, straight through a frame) with ZERO slippage. 80lbs. with no bends, no turns, & no friction was proof enough for me. If it can hold that, it's not going to have any trouble at lower tensions with grommet turns and other friction elements thrown into the mix.
    I did a different 2nd test, also at 80lbs., which broke the string. The starting clamp did it's job. I'm quite sure the failure was due to the used scrap string involved.
    Been using that clamp with confidence ever since.
     
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  17. idono1301

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    zapvor, I would love a babolat clamp, but much like the mercedes benz it's been compared to on this board, I can't afford it. PhD students are generally poor as dirt :(

    Wes, that's great to hear! Just waiting for delivery now. Also, holding tension is one thing, but doing it without damaging the string is another, do you remember any string deformation?
     
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  18. Irvin

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    I have one of the older Babolat clamps and I tested it once as high as my Wise would pull thraight through the frame and it held with no slippage. As I recall that was near 90 high 80s I'm pretty sure. That being said I would not pull direct tension on any any kind of clamp no matter what kind it is. When I start mains I use about 30 lbs tension and pull around a 180* bend. When I start crosses I pull double pull two crosses weaves through the mains and around a 180* turn.

    Because I don't pull full tension or directly against a clamp I figure I can clamp the string more in the centr of the clamp rather than down near the pivot. This also takes some of the pressure off the string.
     
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  19. zapvor

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    i might have an extra. email me. they are better than mercedes
     
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  20. idono1301

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    Hi zapvor, thanks for the reply. I sent you an email. Hopefully it went through.

    Wish I knew how nice mercedes are, as long as it gets me A to B safely, I'm happy :)
     
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  21. Wes

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    No, there was no string deformation that I saw. FWIW, the scrap string I used for the test was just basic syn. gut, so I suppose things COULD have gone differently had it been nat. gut or a soft multi.
    I haven't had any issues with string crushing/deformation when using the clamp in the normal/proper manner.
    Good luck!
     
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  22. zapvor

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    sent you reply
     
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  23. Wes

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    :confused:
    Irvin, it seems your memory is a touch hazy. You yourself have a video of you performing nearly the exact same test that I described above. However, that was about 2.5 years ago, so perhaps you forgot?

    For those interested, here's the link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw3dHufCNWM
    The first 2 minutes are the relevant part.

    BTW Irvin, thank you for all the video clips you've assembled for the benefit of the stringing community. It doesn't go unnoticed and you're to be commended for your time and energy. Thank you.

    For clarification, I wasn't advocating for anyone to pull directly against a starting clamp. I was simply passing along some information, that may or may not be helpful, in regards to the holding power/performance of THIS particular starting clamp.
    As I stated, it was a test and just a test.
    [In the event of a real emergency, you would have been notified by your state and local authorities :mrgreen: ]

    Obviously, during the course of normal stringing, strings are making 180* turns, grommets (and woven strings) provide friction and tensions tend to be quite a bit lower.

    I agree with Irvin on this. I also like to use the center portion of the clamping surface.
    Incidentally, that is also how I clamped the string for that 80lbs. pull test. I don't like to clamp way down by the pivot point for fear of crushing/marring a string. Clamping lower just seems like overkill. I suppose, if the clamp was having trouble holding fast (near the center), that you could then resort to moving lower (closer to the pivot) for more holding power. For the time being, seems that "light is right".
     
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  24. zapvor

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    Yulite is still the best resource for stringing
     
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    The only time I could see pulling full tension on a clamp is when using it as a bridge right?
     
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  26. Irvin

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    True but then you're not clamping a section of string that is in the pattern of finished string.
     
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  27. struggle

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    I pull direct tension on a starting clamp on nearly every frame I string.

    That's what they are for. Certainly, caution should be used as necessary.

    By the logic some are using, ahem....., a linear gripper should never be used either. It's basically the same thing and the portion of thr string gripped usually/often ends up smack in the middle of the stringbed.

    Nonsense if you ask me (generally speaking).
     
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  28. Irvin

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    No clamp (machine clamp, starting clamp, or linear gripper) should be holding full tension when that section of string being clamped is in the string pattern or at a bend in the frame especially. Since you brought it up let's just talk about the linear gripper. When I used my Wise there was always ghosting on some soft strings where it was placed in the linear gripper. But when using a non rotating nosecone or diablo (as on the Star5) which takes pressure off the string in the linear gripper there is no ghosting on any string placed in the gripper. Also the linear gripper has a much larger gripper to string contact area than any clamp so the pressure on the string is less than that of a clamp.

    Why would anyone ever want to pull direct tension against a clamp when it is never necessary? The greater the force on the string the greater the force the clamp must put on the string to hold it.
     
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  29. lwto

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    Darn your in the wrong PhD studies, the one's I know and I know several, all have government scholarships..;)
     
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  30. idono1301

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    I'm on scholarship also, LA is just an expensive place to live haha
     
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    Also, I'm sure the PhD students you know will agree that we're paid for 20 hours of work a week, but work ~50 or more lol

    EDIT: By work, I mean research. This is on top of classes
     
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  32. zapvor

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    what are you studying
     
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  33. idono1301

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    electrical engineering. I must be mad
     
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  34. sovertennis

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    I bought the clamp about a month ago and have used it at least 20 times and am very pleased with it. I also bought a reel of iString Soft 17g and like it much more than the Vendetta I had been using.
     
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  35. idono1301

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    Hi zapvor, sent you another email yesterday regarding it. Thanks!

    Hi sover, I received mine yesterday and had the opportunity to use it while
    stringing up my pure storm. It worked fine, but it did slip at random times.
    This is without pulling straight on it. It also left marks on Tourna big hitter
    silver. It's just a bit distracting to have to worry about it not working properly.
     
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  36. struggle

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    Sounds odd. The clamps work fine for everyone else.

    Makesure it's far enough down in the jaws to prevent slipping. Mine has never slipped once except when pulling knots and that is because of groping itnopen with my hand is I pull, takes a few times To figure out how to do that. Pull with your hand down around the jaws and not on the handles as they work opposite of pliers in that regard.

    Many strings are gonna receive slight marking from any clamping, but not always, IME. At any rate, it's usually a non-issue.
     
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  37. idono1301

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    Yeah it is odd. Like if I didn't go deep enough, it slipped. If I did, the string got
    Flattened.

    Also not sure if this is normal, but I don't see the diamond coating at all, just
    Looks like metal to me
     
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  38. sovertennis

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    I used mine again last night with no problems. After starting the crosses, I left it on for until I finished (instead of doing the first 5-6 crosses, then clamping off and tying the first) with no slippage.
     
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  39. idono1301

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    That's weird. So does your clamp have a noticeable diamond coating in the jaws?
     
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  40. zapvor

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    for me, just go babolat and forget about it:)
     
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  41. idono1301

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    Yup, that's the plan now haha.
     
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  42. gamerluke

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    This clamp looks interesting -- $33 shipped. Or I could go with a GSS, which seems to be universally praised (besides the Babolat) for $46 shipped. Is $13 more worth it for the GSS, and is shop.gssalliance the only place to still buy it?
     
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  43. idono1301

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    Yes, I'd say so. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, I haven't had a good experience at all with mine.

    And you figure, these are built to last for so long that the difference is small change over the long run anyway.
     
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  44. zapvor

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    yea exactly. get the babolat. 10yrs from now, youd still have it. with any other, youd have spent $33x 5 easy
     
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  45. idono1301

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    That sounds good, thanks again. Can't wait to try the clamp when it arrives.

    Trying to break these strings this week so I'll have another reason to use it haha
     
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  46. rusty0412

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    how do you get the babolat starting clamp?
     
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  47. idono1301

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    Either used or talk to Jason at babolat. They are back ordered until the middle of June though
     
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  48. rusty0412

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    How do I get in contact with said Jason?
     
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    7205426290 ask for jason
     
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    Will Jason??? Post to uk?
     
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