Pro's Racket Specs - US Open

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  1. ART ART

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    A few specs available, please don't ask for details about how it was done...
    All strung specs, with overgrip.

    Verdasco - 352grams, ~32,5cm bal.point, SW ~353

    Nadal - 345g , ~33,3cm , SW ~354

    Soderling - 368g , ~32,3cm , SW ~367

    Djokovic - 361g , ~32cm , SW ~358

    Cilic - 365g , ~31,9cm , SW ~361

    A.Murray - 362g , ~32,3cm , SW ~366

    Tsonga - 354g , ~32,2cm , SW ~355

    Del Potro - 361g , ~32,3cm , SW ~363

    J.C.Ferrero - 353g , ~33cm , SW ~356

    J. Isner - 360g , ~31,7cm , SW ~351

    Davydenko - 351g , ~32,3cm , SW ~349

    A.Roddick - 357g , ~32,3cm , SW ~356

    M.Gicquel - 356g , ~32,1cm , SW ~353


    I guess you will like this one:

    Roger Federer - 364g , ~31,8 , SW ~354


    These are allways with a little error margin, but not much.

    If I can get the girls specs for this week, I will post it.

    Enjoy it!
     
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  2. samster

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    Interesting stuff. Based on your research, it looks like most of the top ATP pros are using SW around 350 or more.
     
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  3. ihearit1st

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    Interesting how you got this. I would think the only way you can get Fed's SW is from P1, and the only way to get Nadal's would be from Wilson. Somehow I doubt these are legit.
     
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  4. star 5 15

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    Haha dude its call they popped them on a RDC its not like they don't have these at the US open stringing room. I'm sure they record DT ratings. It wouldn't be hard to do. They probably are legit. They sound about right.
     
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  5. Lindsay

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    Dude, they don't. I was there. And Wilson didn't string for 1/2 of those players on the list. So I agree with the above poster that this is an odd collection of info for the Open. Priority One works with about 1/2 of them, Wilson/**** the other.
     
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  6. star 5 15

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    Now that I see what you mean I realize that Fed, Murray , and djoker could not have had their frames done by the room and all of those specs seem pretty similar. I just kind of scanned the specs quickly without really thinking. I agree with you now that I think about it. I obvously didn't know about the RDC. I just assumed they probably did.
     
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  7. star 5 15

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    all these BS posts and FEdace type crap makes me want to leave these boards. It just infuriates me. 75% of this stuff isnt credible.
     
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  8. Lindsay

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    Well, I'm not saying those aren't player specs. But I am 99% positive they didn't come from the US Open. Wilson does customizing for players during the Open, so they have equipment to measure these things. But when a frame comes in, specs aren't taken unless its to be customized. And stringers don't have the time to be messing with players frames nor do many have the inclination to do so. If you watch the video on TW about the stringing room at the tournament, you'll see its very busy, and it was shot during the qualifying tournament. Federer, Murray, or Djokovic's frames were done by P1 for the tournament, so the OP would have to claim he has access to Ron Yu's hotel room and the Wilson stringing room, along with taking frames from Roman in the stringing room to measure.
     
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  9. IwishIwasbetter

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    i own one of verdascos racket , it has his name in the throat and is customized to his specs with the lead on it and everything, the sw is under 315 strung, it really is, so i don't know how or where you got 353 from..
     
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    I'd love to see the women's specs. Thanks for this!!!
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    There's no way Verdasco could hit his groundstrokes as hard as he does with a SW of under 315. I'd say 353 sounds much more in the ballpark to me.

    Perhaps the frame you have has a lot of the lead taken off?
     
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  12. Nanshiki

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    Specs probably aren't legit... half of them are never even touched by the same stringers.
     
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    Verdasco - 352grams, ~32,5cm bal.point, SW ~353

    LOL,,, there is a entire thread on this subject, asking if SW is ~285 ?? what a useless thread that was.
     
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    interesting....both fed and nadal's Swingweights are 354
     
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  16. corners

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    Compare to:

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/2009bnp_paribas_open.html

    Some of these don't match up to Greg Raven's from Indian Wells this year. We know that pros don't change their balance by one cm between the spring and autumn hardcourt seasons. Either ART ART's measures are wrong or they were taken in considerable haste, and he isn't joking about the margin for error.

    ART ART, do you care to give us a hint how these stats were gathered?:)
     
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  17. Lefty78

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    ^Guesswork???
     
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  18. RacquetCraft

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    IwishIwasbetter, you are correct..the specs. being quoted by Art Art in this post and restated in another Verdasco post as fact, at least as it applies to Verdasco's racquet, are not based on fact.

    RacquetCraft
     
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  19. dr325i

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    Plus, Murray's racket spec, although he changed the PJ, is way off from the ACTUAL stick ericsson showed us (MG PJ). I doubt the YT Paint adds almost 20g to the stick ;)

    Anyway, a few of the numbers in the OP raise the flag.
     
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  20. ART ART

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    Hi again, this specs have been taken since the pre-stage of the USopen, to last night.
    I can count more than 9 persons that give me those specs, all credit to them.

    More than 5, yes more than 5 companys are working with pro's racket, not only 1 or 2. And you can't even reach close to them.
    And yes, I'm an insider... since 5 years ago, it all starts on europe... no more details.

    Since last 3 or 4 weeks, all players and workers, are making little adjustments to the frames, acording to temperature, opponent, ... , everyday requests are made... yes little things are changing everyday.

    But nowadays most players setup, are not that much different from anothers. Don't ask me why... ask the players.

    Now, I told you that this is allways with error margin, since some of those specs ware taken 3 or 4 weeks ago, so specs may have changed a bit since then.

    Now, if you want to belive it's ok, if you don't want it's ok.
    The same for me.
    My intention is allways to give you some inside info, but if you wanna stay blind, that's ok for me.

    Best Regards
     
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  21. dr325i

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    Again, there is a thread with actual Murray's stick just before he switched to the YT PJ that measured 345g static weight (with overgrip, strung). You claim the weight of his USO stick is 362g!

    Those are not SMALL adjustments and definitely NOT within the margin of error stuff...

    I would be surprised if he increased the weight by that much just before the Slam. But then, we have seen what Djokovic did in January...
     
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  22. Libertarian

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    How do you measure SW anyway?
     
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  23. akybo

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    The OP has about 130 posts from 2004,I tend to believe him.
     
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  24. Lindsay

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    I strung at this year's US Open with Wilson, and specs aren't taken of player's frames. For one, we don't have time to do so. Second, it's an invasion of player's privacy to do so when its not our business as stringers. The only way you could have gotten these specs is to grab the frames outside of the stringing room and to stick them on your traveling RDC. Roman works with Wilson and I doubt he'd be releasing the player's specs as those are between the player and him. I don't know the Priority One staff, but from what it seems on these boards, they also do not release player specs. It seems odd you got player specs from ****, P1, and Wilson all at once.
     
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    What's with you people?! always doubting wether or not somebody faked a pro's racquet specs?! Do you have any idea how pointless that would be if someone sat at their computer making up how heavy Juan Martin Del Potro's racquet is? That'd be so stupid. This guy provided us with information we all want and we're going to say he's lying? Chill out everybody. I have no reason to doubt him, neither do you.
     
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  26. dr325i

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    I do, for (at least) 3 reasons:
    1) Read the post above your from Lindsay
    2) Murray specs that show HUGE variation from his MG PJ stick
    3) Verdasco's numbers vs. actual Verdasco sticks circling around
     
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    I am 10feet 6inches tall and weigh 278 lbs. I've hit serves 219 mph and kick serves 317 mph...I do mean mph, not kmh. I played Bill Tilden a few years back and beat him 0 and 0. I played Federer about 45 years ago and beat him 3 and 5.


    Do you believe EVERYTHING that is said over the internet? If so, you have alot of learning to do.
     
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    The OP is also implying that these specs weren't given up knowingly or willingly by any player, stringer or anybody who could give the authority to allow these specs to go public. My guess is that if this is accurate the OP can't divulge too much information. Right now, some people may be reading this thread and do not know who to target for dismissal, not for lack of wanting to know.

    As the OP said, believe him or not.
     
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  29. BreakPoint

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    Greg Raven measured Murray's stick to be 357g, which is a lot closer to 362g than it is to 345g.

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/grab_bag.html
     
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    My point exactly...
     
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  32. FedererForehand

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    So - looks like the OP is busted! Why do people post ridiculous stuff like this?
     
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    Thank you, and this proves my theory for the perfect swing weight when it comes to hardcourt baseline players.

    As you can see there is a huge problem with other peoples listing of swring weights ie Greg Raven ect compared to these.

    So some where someone is wrong be it these measurments or others.

    IMO these swing weights sound more correct to me.
     
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  34. jackson vile

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    That is very interesting, we have other stringers that have collected measurements i.e. French Open and etc. What is your opinion of those measurments?
     
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  35. Lindsay

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    I don't see what you're getting at. I'd bet those measurements are spot on. These aren't. I can vouch for the US Open as I've strung there. Never strung with Tecnifibre at the French. They may take measurements, Wilson doesn't. Roddick's frames were with Roman in the Wilson room. No one but Wilson stringer and Roman's staff could get those. Nadal/Sodering/Cilic/Tsonga/Davydenko were all done by Wilson, therefore no one but Wilson guys get ahold of those. End of story.
     
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  36. jackson vile

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    I just wanted to let you know that we are thankful for you sharing this information with us, I believe you 100%

    I remember your post on Roger's old stick the one before the Ncode series, I was wondering where I saw that name from before. So I know for a fact you are the real deal.
     
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    Anyone have my favorite player's spec?
     
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    Anyone have my favorite player's specs?
     
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    Some people just enjoy fooling the gullible, even without making any money off their efforts.
     
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  40. pham4313

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    i believe those specs from ART ART. Even some rackets with those specs are available to public:
    1. Boris Becker special edition. 357g, 377 SW, 4 pt HL
    2. KPS 88, 363g, 345 SW, 6 pt HL.
    Pete even has layers of lead tapes at 3&9 so the actual weight and SW are even higher, and balance is close to even. Even these senior tour guys play hefty sticks with heavy swingweight.
     
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  41. pham4313

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    Fed must have his K90 leaded at the top and counter-balanced at the handle to keep it headlight like that. However, 364g ~12.86 oz is pretty close to the stock weight of a strung K90 (354 -12.5oz). 10 g of added would have been geared toward the hoop mostly, in order to increase swingweight. But then, the balance would be less head light.
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    Don't forget that ART ART's specs include an overgrip, so 12.85 oz. is pretty close to a stock K90 with an overgrip + string savers (which Federer always uses). Every stock K90 I've measured came out to be 13 oz. or more with just an overgrip and a small "O" dampener. So Federer probably doesn't add much lead at all, if any. But I'm sure he does get his frames hand selected so that they are much closer to the spec of 340g (12.0 oz.) unstrung, whereas, retail frames may be off spec (usually heavier than spec).
     
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    What about the increased swingweight? Even if 10 gram is added here and there, swingweight would not go up that high to 354.
     
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    People can believe whatever they want but Robin Haase an injured pro at the moment said that John Isner has the lightest racket on the tour. According to Robin it has an incredible low weight around 320 grams. I guess Robin is an insider and here the OP claims that the weight of Isner's racket is 360 grams. A difference of 40 grams. According to Greg Raven Federer has a SW of 330. Now Greg Raven or Jura seem a much more reliable source than ART ART.
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    Well, Nate Ferguson of Priority One has gone on record in saying that he puts lead tape under the bumper of Federer's frames. Even a little bit of lead at the top of the hoop will dramatically increase the swingweight.
     
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  46. sureshs

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    I think the myth of Fed's racquet being a stock K90 with some lead under the bumper has been busted once and for all.
     
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  47. BreakPoint

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    Um...no. More likely a difference in measurement methodologies. Just like TW will list a certain racquet has a swingweight of 340 while other websites and/or the manufacturerer will list the same strung racquet with very different swingweights. It all depends on how and with what machine you're taking the measurments with.
     
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  48. sureshs

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    TW numbers are different because they average over racquets, which many like me have questioned (I don't play with 10 racquets at once). They cannot reveal the min and max because the manufacturers won't like it.

    But the more important factor is that what Art Art measured (or claims to have done so, of course I wan't there) are after customization. It is quite different from TW and Mideast sports reporting two different numbers based on averaging, different specimens, or quoting the manufacturer.

    The weight and balance are not consistent with K90+some lead under the bumper.
     
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  49. l_gonzalez

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    I'm not too sure about those specs, they're all fairly close to each other.

    I picked up one of Murray's sticks while he was hitting at the National Tennis Centre yesterday and it definitely weighs more than that. I play with stock Yonex RDS002 Tours and his racquet was much, much heavier. Very head heavy too. If I had to guess i would say about 380g-390g.
     
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  50. BreakPoint

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    TW only measures about 4-6 racquets. It's not just averaging because TW's swingweight numbers are consistently higher than other websites and the manufacturers measurements for many, many racquets.

    And, yes, 364g is indeed consistent with a retail K90 with some lead, as TW's average measurement is 354g (without overgrip), and Greg Raven measured Federer's K90 to be 363g (with overgrip): http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/federer_wilson_k.html
     
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