Pro's that use head-heavy rackets?

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  1. tank_job

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    Either their stock racket is head heavy or they alter it with lead tape so it ends up head heavy?

    I'm talking about actually head heavy as in when you try to balance the racket mid-way though its length, the head (and not the handle) drops down.

    Do you get more spin with a head-light racket and more flat power with a head-heavy one?

    Murray and Nadal (Gasquet?) are those I suspect most, but I don't know...
     
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  2. kiteboard

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    Nad used to have a bal. pt. of 33.5, but now he's at 33. Still hh.
     
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  3. gahaha

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    No pros that I know of uses HH racquets, not Nadal, Federer, Murray ect..
     
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    Moyas was..Murray's is reported to be in a thread posted yesterday.

    It matters the weight of the racquet and the player.
     
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    I know they add more weight to make their racquets more HH than stock, but at most stray close to even balance I think.
     
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    Moya was actually head heavy. the rest I would agree.

    the williams sisters are head heavy.
     
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  7. gahaha

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    Yea I believe you with Moya.
     
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    Justine Henin's Hyper Hammer was either head-heavy or close to it.
     
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    Serena Williams?

    HH is a balance of 34.3cm or more for a standard length and 34.9cm or more for 27.5".
     
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    Kei Nishikori
     
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  11. tank_job

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    Moya, Nishikori, Nadal and Henin all reportedly in the head heavy camp... is head heavy good for topspin?
     
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  12. gahaha

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    I'm really surprised with Nadal, the way he plays it would be so painful swinging a HH racquet like that. Can you refer me to a source that said this? Sorry I'm curious lol.

    From what I know and been told HH adds more power at the expense of maneuverability, most beginners start out with HH and move to HL later on.
     
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    Beginners sticks can be HH, but the thing is that many pros are putting more weight into the head as well.

    It is better to think of it as baseliners are more head heavy and net players are more head light.

    I like my balance close to even because I can keep my racquet around 11.5 with a high SW, but the balance keeps my arm from floating out of the slot on my stroke.
     
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    Yea I've seen people put lead on the head to make it more HH, but playing with an overall HH racquet especially Nadal-like style, just imagining it makes me cringe.
     
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    A standard length racquet is ca. 685mm (or 27 inches * 25,4mm = 685,8mm).
    That means an even balance is 342,5mm (or 342,9mm).

    So it's head light.

    Even if you take into account the supposed hoop compression making the racquet a 26 7/8 inch long that still make the even balance point at ca. 341mm.
     
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  16. PED

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    You are correct, I just checked his FO 2005 specs from Jura and his unstrung bp was 36.6cm!!
     
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    Correct, OP making a really elementary arithmetic error.
     
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  18. Power Player

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    Why? It is better that way. Nadal's stick is light for a pro, so you want it weighted more head heavy than head light.

    He is still hl, but not as much. It is definitely the way to go for me.
     
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    "Do you get more spin with a head-light racket and more flat power with a head-heavy one?"

    i have been trying to figure this out somewhat.

    i have two discount oversize wilson rackets. one is called a nFusion hybrid racket and it weights 9.8 ounces strung and claimes it is 3HH on the racket.

    the other has hyper
    -hammer hybrid 6 painted on it and it weighs about 11 ounces strung and has 7hh written on it.

    the hyper hammer racket truly feels like holding a hammer. a lot of weight in the end of the racket.

    for me, the hammer racket gives high power and better split second direction to my forehand but seems to slow my swing down and feels like less spin overall.

    my backhands (top and slice) take a bit of labor and feel flatter as well, but less swing speed for the same amount pace than the lighter racket.

    volleys are noticably more laborious too.

    personally, i like the head heaviness on the forehand side...it gives a nice predictable whack to the ball with good depth.

    tennis warehouse claims that federers wilson is 12.6 ounces, though i am not sure about the weight distibution on the racket but that seems heaby overall.
     
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  20. Chyeaah

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    I though nadal was HL but near even. like one or two points.
     
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  21. PED

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    You are correct, Rafa's setup is HL but only by a few points.

    He's varied his setup over the few years. The biggest departure was at IW last year, he was more HL at 33cm(4 pts HL). I guess that didn't work out very well for him last year against Nole ;)

    At the AO this year, his setup (with an additional 3g added under the bumper) is back to 33.6cm (2pts HL) strung. This is back to where he was back in 2007 at 33.5cm strung.

    The YT version of the Head Radical Pro had a similar setup in stock form: 333g strung with a 33.7cm balance. It would hit a sledgehammer ball from the baseline.
     
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    Serena is indeed head heavy. She weights herself with hoop earrings and a huge ego.
     
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  23. TaihtDuhShaat

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    Did anyone notice how it looks like Rafa took the 3 grams off?
     
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  24. PED

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    What do you mean?
     
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  25. TaihtDuhShaat

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    Watching him play pre AO he had his signature fast whippy swing, then at the AO with the addition of the weight, he had a heavier looking swing almost like Gasquet, and now his swing looks whippy and light like before the AO. Just my opinion of course.
     
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  26. PED

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    ^^Cool, I wasn't doubting you, just double checking what you meant :)
     
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    You can tell a difference of 3 grams by looking at Nadal's forehand swing?

    Excellent.
     
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  28. decades

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    3grams. won't really be noticeable on tv. :?
     
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    I am shocked to hear that any of the ATP players use HH sticks...wowsa.
     
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    Anyone know about Stan's racquets? I've seen some of those photos of his racquets with lead wrapping around practically the whole upper half of the oval. At least I think they were Stan's. Might be different now though since he is with Yonex.
     
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  31. PED

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    His setup when he used the Head TGK's was 359g unstrung with a 31cm unstrung balance. Used RPM Blast at 30/28kg's.

    I would assume his specs would be fairly similar with Yonex.
     
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