Pros think Rafa is the GOAT

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  1. cc0509

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    Easier opposition than Zeballos or Rosol? At least Federer did not lose to clowns in finals ranked 70 and below when he was in his prime. Nadal can't be the GOAT just based on that alone, not to mention about 10 other reasons.
     
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    So ******* are as disrespectful to other players as nadaltards, bad for nadal and federer and every other players that have tards in the fan base to have such annoying fans.
     
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    Federer won their first match

    Nadal has a lot of random one off losses to players, but Djokovic and Federer are the players who have tested him most consistantly.

    As far as slams go, the AO 2009 final, Federer did push Nadal. It went 5 sets and ok the final set was fairly easy but Nadal was very close to going 2 sets to one down. They've never played at te US Open, and at RG he's only ever been beaten once and went 5 sets once. They were kind of one off matches (what did Soderling ever do to Nadal on clay apart from that one match?) In contrast the Rome 2006 final was over a healthy nadal unlike RG 2009, and he was better in that match than he was vs Isner as well. Even MC and RG in 2006, while 4 set matches, were close and could have even gone 5.

    So yes other people have pushed him more, but consistantly? His main concerns have always been Federer and then Djokovic.
     
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    Too much love and adoration has been clouding his judgement. It wouldn't surprise me if Andy was one of Rafa's tards here.

    I don't believe in GOAT discussions at all, but to claim that 11 > 17 is just wrong. At the end of the day, people remember the titles you won and not silly H2H statistics.
     
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  5. helloworld

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    Rafa owns the big 4. He's the best of the current era. Give him 5 more healthy years and he'll turn Fed's record into dust.
     
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    It's not wrong. There is way more than just statistics, whether it be slam count or h2h.

    Federer has never had the injury problems Nadal has had.
     
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    B.S. He hasn't won a tournament off of clay since 2010. He will never catch up to Federer just winning RG.
     
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    So you are saying the only reason Nadal had these bad losses to lesser players is due to his injuries? What about his losses to Youzhny and Davydenko in finals, was Nadal injured then too? :roll:

    The fact is Nadal at this point in time cannot be considered the GOAT, only the clay GOAT.
     
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    Djoko has pushed Rafa to his limits in 3 out of 4 slams. Fed in 1. No comparison imo. I would go so far as to say that Djoko has managed to challenge Rafa the way Fed has always wanted to but has never been able to, especially at AO. Same thing with masters actually. Djoko has beaten Nadal 10 times in masters ( and in 7 out of the 9 ), Fed only 4 times (and in only 3 different ones). Fed's only claim to fame against Rafa is Wimbledon (and even there, he lost their last encounter) and WTF.
     
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    Federer is the guy that has troubled Nadal the most after Djokovic. Unless you count Rosol :twisted:
     
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    Give every player 5 healthy years including Hewitt, Nalbandian, Haas, Soderling, etc and they'll show you something too. :lol:
     
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    He does not have that kind of time. He is almost 27. He may have a couple more good years if he is lucky.
     
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    Murray said that? Really? Why don't you bring up the link that says that....
     
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  14. Mike Sams

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    Nadal can't solve the Murray/Djokovic dynamic duo off clay. :lol: He beats one and then loses to the other...:lol:
     
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    And, whose fault is THAT?!?! He has a hideous style and expertise on a surface that doesn't seem to support long careers, Borg and Kuerten come to mind, and BP will soon be joining them. Plus, there is the strong possibility that he's a juicer, which doesn't exactly engender long careers, either. Lastly, "woudda, coudda, shoudda" is about as weak an argument as there is, does the phrase, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle ring a bell?
     
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    Ralph is clay GOAT potentially, but GOAT? Cmon stop kidding, the guy's resume off clay isn't GOATworthy.

    Ralph is a very limited player, it just so happens that his strongest shot falls to his opponent's weakest wing. Ralph is still tier-2, and there's a very good case for him to be tier-3.

    And his mental strength is so overrated. When the chips are truly down he had no answers(see his 7 consecutive losses to Djokovic). When he finally broke his streak, it was in MC when Djoker was not only playing poorly(should've lost to Berdych) but he was also in a mental slump after losing his grandad AND it was Ralph's favourite surface. See how many factors have to all line up for Ralph to finally pull off a win? That's how he preserves his precious H2H!

    Ralph is very good when the situation is completely in his favour, but sorry there's nothing great about that. He's never had a true challenger or someone who he really had to fight to win his RGs. Endlessly moonballing Fed's single handed BH was never a challenge to begin with so don't give me the "he beat the GOAT, what a challenge that was" nonsense because we all know how he played to beat Federer. He never played anyone of the clay caliber of a Kuerten or a Borg or even Coria for that matter, who may have been a real thorn in his flesh(though he did beat Coria in Rome but could've easily lost that match).

    Ralph wins exploiting weak BHs, it's almost like completing a video game with cheatcodes, seriously where's the challenge in that?
     
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    He didn't say it, but he implied it numerous times. It's not a secret that Rafa is his favourite player.
     
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    Really? I thought he and Djoker were best buddies?
     
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    100s of pros say Fed is the GOAT. One pro says Rafa MAY be the GOAT. Case closed.
     
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    yeah, he did ... trolling @ its finest :)
     
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    Oh, he IMPLIED it, did he? Saying a contemporary is your favorite player is a far cry from saying he's the GOAT, so, thanks for confirming that the person who made the statement(who, seemingly, has disappeared like a fart in the wind), lied.
     
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    LOL, why are getting so worked up over this? It's obvious he doesn't respect Roger as much as Rafa. Hate him for it, for all I care. I didn't say his opinion was any more valid than yours, just that he's a pretty huge ****.

    Hmm, they are friends I think, but Andy definitely likes Rafa better.
     
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    I am fairly new to these forums and the fighting between Fed v. Nadal fans on here is ridiculous! Haha reminds me of tweens fighting over their favorite boy bands.

    I like both players but my take is that in the end there's no way you could say Fed isn't the GOAT. The only number that matters is slam titles!
     
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  26. Start da Game

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    yes......nadal is the only player in men's tennis history with career GOLDEN slam and two or more slams on clay, grass and hardcourts.......

    that should shut the haters.......
     
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    And Federer has the Olympics doubles gold medal. Give it up.
     
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    Very convincing, he he he.
     
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  29. Povl Carstensen

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    That is to Federers credit.
     
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    This thread needs to be deleted.
     
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  31. Hitman

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    Yeah that works much better than your previous statement.
     
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    I wondering if he did that just to stick it to Nadal. Letting him know what it feels like to be called GOAT and get beaten at the same time. Rafa certainly wasn't amused when Novak said that.

    Come to think of it. Djokovic has been giving back to Nadal a lot of what Nadal did to Federer.

    When Nadal edged out Federer in those finals at W and AO, he would collapse on his back. Djokovic did it three times in a row to Nadal, but notice when he beat Murray recently, there was no falling on the back despite the historical signifcance.

    Also, did you notice that when Nadal beat Federer in AO 12, he was on his knees. Well, Djokovic did the exact same pose after he beat Murray, the next day. Its like, Anything you can do, I can do better.

    I think once he also said that his target was to win 11 slams, and this was before Nadal won RG12. It couldn't be more obvious what Djokovic wants to do to Nadal. :)
     
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    Its a good tactic to glorify your victory by.declaring ur opponent the GOAT. This trend is not good.
     
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  34. Crisstti

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    Sure, it's to his credit he doesn't have a congenital foot problem.

    Lol, what are you on about?.  Djokovic isn't some kind of Federer avenger, he doesn't even like him.  And I very much doubt Fed has ever been upset that Rafa calls him the goat or one of the goats.

    Rafa's WHOLE resume is goat worthy, whether you like it or not.

    If you want to go by just style however is your business.

    And to play strategically is not like using cheatcodes, lol.
     
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    It comes with the name. ;)
     
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    Wake me when Rod Laver says Rafa is the GOAT.

    *rolls over*
     
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    Definitely. If you call your opponent the GOAT and you beat him, what does that make you? The Über-GOAT?
     
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    I never said Djokovic is a Federer avenger, or that he likes him. That is obvious from the US Open semis and AO semi, Djokovic has done some damage to Federer too. But he certainly has been doing to Nadal, what Nadal did to Federer. The way he has celebrated GS wins ala Nadal, calling him GOAT straight after beating him.

    Federer may not get upset by being called GOAT, but I am sure being called GOAT and then getting beaten by the same guy isn't exactly a wonderful experience.
     
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    It could just be a shot to the ribs. Call him GOAT and then proceed to beat him in a title match.
     
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    laver, sampras, borg and federer can collectively shout "nadal is NOT the GOAT!!!!"....... still nadal will be the GOAT........

    career GOLDEN slam + multiple slams on clay, grass, hard + pwning a 16 grandslam holder and pigeonizing a 5 slams holder........
     
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    First of all, I don't think Murray did anything "numerous times," secondly, what somebody is implying is obviously open to interpretation(not to mention, as I stated, saying a contemporary is your favorite player is a far cry from declaring hm he GOAT, which you conveniently ignore), and, lastly, the guy flat out lied, no such quote exists.
     
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    well, I didn't notice the poses and all tbh ....I definitely think he said rafa was the GOAT after those beatings deliberately to annoy rafa ...
     
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    that's just the delusion of the *******s ( that includes you by the way) and samprastards
     
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    no, it isn't ....... all time great , yes ... GOAT worthy ? absolutely not ... he has a long way to go ...
     
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    I wasn't referring to Murray saying Rafa was his favourite player. I agree, that has nothing to do with his GOAT status.
     
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    He said something where he more or less put him and Fed in the discussion. After last year's RG, I believe. Even though we know who he prefers.

    It's probably a better experience than if Nadal would call himself the goat and the beat him.

    And Djokovic only called him the goat once right after beating him, after the IW final in 2011.

    I think there's a lot of wishful thinking here from you.

    Nope, it isn't at all. Not that Sampras beat much better players himself.

    There is not ONE goat anyway, so it doesn't matter.
     
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    rafa's comparative absence on hard court compared to other all time greats cant be ignored.

    take away all his clay masters and how pray tell is rafa goatworthy?
     
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  49. Crisstti

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    No one is the best everywhere. Many other all time greats haven't won RG, or Wimbledon. Or the USO. Whatever Rafa might or might not be lacking on hard courts is still a much lesser failure, if at all, than any of those other all time greats.
    And Rafa HAS won both hc slams, and against the best at that.

    It doesn't matter how much you'd like to just take away his clay results. You can't.
     
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    Ummmmmmmmm being a GOAT means exactly that!!

    If not for Fed playing along side the Clay Goat the man would probably have at least 4 of each major. Even in the era of Nadal I think fed has what 6 clay masters?

    Rafa hasnt even won a WTF, please just stop.
     

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