Pros Tinker with their sticks too - read this

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  1. Power Player

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    Great find power player.
    "You know, the first step is making sure all the racquets are the same, because when they come off the assembly line, they’re always a little bit different"-Kevin Anderson
    It's a shame Kevin Anderson still gets his racquets from the assembly line like the average Joe. Maybe if he cracks the top 10 Head will let him into the clandestine custom layup room where Joker hangs out. If you have no sense of humor, please leave my reply alone.
     
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    Interesting read, thanks!
     
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    I get that you are joking, no worries.

    But for the sake of general knowledge, notice how he does say that he has his customized from Head now. Basically he is saying he uses the pro stock racquets if you read between the lines. I had the same TGK mold. Same exact materials, just shipped super light for lead customization and layed up a little differently so they flex in different spots (player preference).

    If you buy a retail prestige, you can mod it, but there is less room since it already weighs 12 ozs. The TGKs weigh like 295 grams so you can do about any setup you want to it.
     
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    yep, Pro Stock Racquets are a lot of fun. Had some Pacific X-Pro Lite sticks and were a ton of fun . Impressive to be able to get them to a 330 Swingweight and 10 points headlight at only 11.5-11.6 ounces!!
     
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    Good read. Thanks PP.
     
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    Imagine if they came forward and made these racquets available to the public. The Blx 6.1 tour is one of the best selling racquets only because Federer uses it. I play on public courts and I'm amazed how many players play with the speed line now because they think Djoker uses it. Wouldn't it benefit them to create his own racquet (like Federer)?
     
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    Spooky PP, it is like he knows both of us. :shock:

    "You know, I think some players like the feeling of making sure that they’re doing everything to the best that they can. But I think there’s a point where it starts interfering a bit."
     
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    ^^^

    LOL. He just burned 80% of this forum ;).


    Well some companies do make sticks specced to pro levels, but they are so hard to use by most people that they do not sell that well.

    Perfect example is the Sampras KPS88. Amazing racquet. Very solid, with great feel. Also very very tough to use on a regular basis and did not sell well, even though by most people's standards it is a top tier racquet.

    Even Fed's K90 is a demanding stick, and most people buying it because of Fed are hampering their game.

    Djokers stick would be out of the realm for most people. Folks like us on here would probably buy one just for fun and honeymoon it, but in the end find it too demanding.

    The Pure Drive Roddick is indeed specced rather close to ARod's preferences, but the swing weight is not as high, and the weight is 339 instead of 345. That is the best selling "pro" frame because it is the easiest to use.

    I think a frame that would sell like hotcakes would be a Rafa signature areo pro drive. Like the roddick, it is a lighter stick for a pro and many of us could use it. Rafa's flex is a little lower because he flexes his sticks out after a few months. It would be cool if they recreated that.

    But anyway, to use what the pros use would be too demanding. You have to be in prime condition and most likely taking a few "supplements" as well.

    If you want sticks that pros actually use, the Babolats are the way to go. Jack Sock uses the retail Aero Storm. Tsonga uses an APDC plus with lead, tons of pros use Pure Storms and Roddicks just leaded up, and many use the Pure Storm Tour (pete sampras).
     
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    That makes sense. Yesterday I lost in a 2 1/2 hour 3 set match with a player who grinds out every point. It was the first match I have lost with my new racquet. I usually can drive through balls and keep the rallies relatively short. I realize if I face more people like him, my fitness level needs some work. I enjoy the easy spin, power, and control of Babolats. I also see why they are very popular with beginners all the way to pros. How do people get used to the hollow feel? I added silicone and it helped a little, but it is still of a little in my book.
     
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    Loved the article. Thanks for posting the link.

    Interesting that he's added mass to the throat. I think that the
    biggest issue with the YT Prestige is the tiny sweetspot which he
    mentioned. I guess that it's even an issue for pro players. It can be
    easily fixed with some lead at 3/9 but I think that most pros go with
    a polarized setup and skip the 3/9 because they can hit the sweet spot
    so well.

    > Perfect example is the Sampras KPS88. Amazing racquet. Very solid,
    > with great feel. Also very very tough to use on a regular basis and
    > did not sell well, even though by most people's standards it is a
    > top tier racquet.

    A lot of the pros use racquets with even higher, in some cases,
    much, much higher, than the KPS88.

    > Even Fed's K90 is a demanding stick, and most people buying it because
    > of Fed are hampering their game.

    Yup, saw those at the club being used by beginners - they had trouble
    getting the ball across the net.
     
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    I've noticed this SO much lately.

    At my club on this previous Saturday night, it was a full house with 6/7 courts full of people. I counted 11 BLX/BLXPS90's. It was absolutely ridiculous. I'm not one to knock people's games by any means, but I've never seen something so odd. A lot of people were in the full "Fed" gear as well with the shirts/shoes/shorts. Absolutely crazy!

    One guy came out with full Fed gear, matching bag and 6 BLXPS90's. He got a double bagel by an older guy in just under an hour. Very interesting to see!

    -Fuji
     
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    Thank you Fuji this made my night, I will sleep with a smile on my face.
     
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    That's so true, too many people here blame their bad days and shots not going in on equipment "issues".

    Put your head down, go out there and play. There's no equipment that'll suddenly and magically put balls into the corners.
     
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    cool article. thanks.
     
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    Did I read the article correctly, has he been playing with the same racquet since 2005?
     
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    He's been playing with the Prestige but it isn't clear as to whether he's moved up with newer iterations or if he's using a paintjob from the one that he started with or a little of both.
     
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    The newest pure drive roddick feels a lot more solid. I also added 6 inches of lead to 3 and 9 and it feels incredible now at 12.1 ozs. You could try that in a demo. It swings very very easy.
     
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    nice find, thank you
     
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    interesting that he stuck with lux for so long.
     
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    Hahaha you are most welcome!!! I figured someone here might enjoy that story. Needless to say the 20 something year old guy who lost wasn't too impressed...

    -Fuji
     
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    Those guys do support Tennis Warehouse and tennis in general with their purchases and maybe it makes them feel better. I think that the most effort is best spent in the gym and that clothes don't make a lot of difference but I don't mind wearing quality stuff and I assume that the RF stuff is quality stuff. I just usually don't wear clothes with someones name on them.
     
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    He is or at least was using tgk 2 yrs ago I saw it I think I even took a pic of it...
     
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    Do you know what the number was?
     
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    Ah, I'd love to get a pro stock Prestige Pro or Extreme MP before any customizing has been done to it. I'd have a good ol time tuning it for my game :)
     
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    Tuning it is actually a pain in the neck unless you have someone doing the work for you. After you have it tuned, you then have to try and match it. Tuning silicone is a huge pain. Lead isn't so bad but it does take a while on trial and error.

    I prefer finding something that is close but lighter than what you want and then adding lead tape to take you the rest of the way.
     
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    Is it just me of anyone else also finds odd the fact that it says 30.75cm / 5 pts HL for balance? 30.75cm is much more HL than just 5 pts.
     
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    Thanks for sharing the article. It's pretty fascinating (and somewhat of a relief) to read that top touring pros need to experiment around with lead too. Sometimes I read posts and threads about adding lead that treat it like it's an exact science and should be done more or less that same way for everyone.

    It's nice to read that it's an art as well as a science, and that players really ought to experiment with different setups to see what works for them.
     
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    It could be extended length, which would change the balance point.
     
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    But in that case it's even worse, because the middle point of the racquet is even more distant from the buttcap.
     
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    Specs are UNSTRUNG.

    Strung balance should be around 31.65~32cm depending on the overgrip, dampener, etc
     
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    I noticed that the specs mention UNSTRUNG measurements.

    What's odd is that 5 pts HL( UNSTRUNG ) isn't the same thing as 30.75cm( UNSTRUNG ). Maybe in a shortened frame, since balance in cm is measured from the buttcap and balance in pts HL( or HH ) is measured from the middle point of the frame.
     
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    that sounds off..12.38 oz 5 pt hl and sw 0f 322??
     
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