Pros using silcone spray on their strings

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  1. Torres

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    [Edit: Since originally posting this article (from the Sunday Times newspaper) a number of stringers from the Wimbledon stringing room and other events have said that they have never seen anything that would suggest that pros use silicome spray on their strings. Whether that means that they spray themselves after the racquets have been strung or the article is BS no one knows. Nevertheless you should treat the article below with a healthy dose of scepticism since it does not quote anyone or evidence that which it alleges/speculates in the article. Just because a story is printed in a newspaper does not mean its true.]


    They definitely need to ban the application of external substances (other than logo paint) on strings. Doesn't say who the culprits are though and what type of strings this is being used on....

    The Sunday Times
    Barry Flatman Published: 24 June 2012

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    A Rafa Nadal topspin shot can rotate the ball at up to 4,900 revolutions a minute (Paul Childs)

    TOP tennis players are hugely increasing the spin on a ball by secretly spraying their racket strings with silicon.

    Former tennis stars, including two Wimbledon champions, this weekend called for a crackdown on the use of the spray. Pat Cash, who triumphed at Wimbledon in 1987, said: “The game’s values are gone.” In the 1960s, the Australian Ken Rosewall, one of the finest exponents of spin, got up to 2,000 revolutions of the ball per minute. Today’s players can reach 4,900rpm.

    Cash said former players including Mats Wilander, John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl were supportive of his call for outlawing the use of silicon. Cash said Lendl “maintains string technology has gone way too far” and that the use of silicon should be banned.

    Modern racket strings stretch and snap back in a fraction of a second, increasing the spin on a ball. Players enhance that spin further with silicon.

    The International Tennis Federation is monitoring the situation but has taken no action.
     
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  2. syke

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    Where can I buy these silicone spray? Any good recommendations?
     
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    I've used silicone spray for a couple of years now on my stringbed. It does help the strings snap back into place but no more so than a non-sprayed gut/poly hybrid or a full poly stringbed.

    I only use it because a full gut or multifilament stringbed is a mess without it... having to be constantly straightened.

    I've never seen any study that definitively proves that silicone spray, when applied to a stringbed, increases spin on a tennis ball

    Walmart sells it for about $2 per can
     
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    Complete waste of time for a rec player.
     
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  5. Bartelby

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    If it keeps a multi string job straight that's useful enough, but i dont use multi.
     
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  6. Bud

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    Useless opinion

    It does :)
     
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  7. YesTennis

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    Do you use WD-40 or the equivalent or is it just generic silicone spray?
     
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    It would be interesting to know if the pro stringers are applying it for their on court players.
     
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  9. corners

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    Here you go. Wd40, not silicone, but lubricants clearly increase spin: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/spinandlube.php
     
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    What is considered silicone spray? I know what WD40 is.
    But not sure what is refered to as silicone spray?
     
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    Silicone spray can be found using trusty old Google. It run $5 - $13 a can. Seems to be readily available. If it does enhance spin, it should be banned.
     
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    Bud, how do you apply silicone spray and will it shorten the life on my string-bed?

    I have a BLX Six.One 95 16x18 setup with a solinco poly main and syn gut, they vary based on what is sent to me.
     
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    If silicone spray is banned, shouldn't wax on gut be banned as well?
     
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    Wouldn't graphite lube powder work better? Because silicon spray is a liquid so gunk would build up from the ball fuzz and the sand/dirt/etc from the courts, which would cause more friction on the bed.
     
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    Would this work with say an RpM blast and xcel hybrid
     
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    No, he's actually very, very right. It's a massive waste of time and effort for a rec player.
     
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    Hopefully this thread doesn't lead to club and public courts smelling like WD40. :)
     
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    anyone try it on full poly or copoly?
    since nadal is using a poly string.

    Does it trade off any things?
     
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    Falls in line with rec players playing with poly strings, IMO. :roll:
     
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    What deodorant does Nadal use?

    My 1000th posting on TWH, I was hoping for better, but there it is.
     
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    WD40 is NOT silicon spray.

    Thing is, the propellent in some of these sprays is actually caustic to some plastics, turning them slightly brittle or at least tarnishing the smoothness of it. I'm surprised they say people use this on strings/racquets. Besides, if they absolutely wanted to be sure, all they'd have to do is feel the inside of the racquet plastic bag the pros take off. If it's slippery and leaves a slight film on your hands, they've been sprayed. This is honestly the first time I've head of this even happening.
     
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    What's the difference between building slipperiness into the string and adding it on with a spray? The former is presumably much costlier and people send lots of money on strings so why not spray?

    No benefit to the average player, who knows, but they do spend some money on strings because they're told they're good for spin!
     
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  24. SwankPeRFection

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    The difference is that one is built into the string technology itself and subject to tennis regulations (if any) and the other is not. It's no different than a pitcher using vaseline on the ball or something else.

    As a joke I think I'm going to bring an empty can of Pam with me to the courts this week and make like I'm spraying my strings at each changeover and before the match starts. See what happens... :lol: Should get a few laughs.
     
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    Generic silicone spray

    It's a bit more than $2 at Walmart

    There are many rec players (4.0+) who can put enough topspin on a tennis ball to feel the effects of poly string... or in this case a string lubricant. The effect is magnified as the racquet head speed increases. I'd be more concerned with what it's doing to their arms.
     
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    A pitcher is tampering with the ball. Silicone has nothing to do with the ball. Both players share the ball, not the racquet, so there is a big difference.
     
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    Has anyone actually tried this yet?
     
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    I'll try it tomorrow - curiosity is a virtue - not expecting a miracle.
     
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    I put the spray on the racquet itself so that it slides through the air more easily. I then apply it to my body and find I can run faster.
     
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    Nadal cheating is expected

    If Nadal uses silicon spray and it does enhance spin I wouldn't be suprised. It would just be another way that he cheats in order to win. Similar to a steroid filled home run hitter in baseball. For me it would invalidate the narrow based major wins that he does have.
     
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    me too

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    ha when i was a 3.0 and just getting started w/tennis 10 years ago I used to rub candle wax all over my strings thinking it would give me more spin, and it did
     
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    Might try it on a string that was due to be cut out, so I don't know whether that's an entirely useful test.
     
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    THIS IS WAAAAAAAAY BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    You have to spray the stringbed after every tennis session and then move all main strings to distribute the lubricant across the stringbed (crosses). Then, straighten the stringbed as much as possible.

    It takes about a week until the strings will move back into position (like a poly). It's best to try it on a freshly strung racquet as older stringjobs already have fairly deep notches. The strings will snap back into those notches.
     
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    This story is quite funny for all those who remember the day when luxilon strings were recommended for banning around here for doing much the same thing, well, no one argues that anymore.
     
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    I think rpm blast and other polys already have silicon on the string as part of the manufacturing. New rpm sure feels like it has a coating on it.
     
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    Nadal must have used a can of WD40 on himself, mistaking it for the Lynx effect.... :)

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    I tried this more than a year ago. I didn't have silicone spray on hand but used some spray for vinyl. It dids increase spin noticeably, but wears off after about 30min and left marks on the tennis balls. Maybe silicone spray will last longer.

    I neither agree nor disagree with the proposed ban. Some people have been doing this or with wax on gut for years. A gut string job I got from TW had quite a bit of wax on it. If you string for yourself you might have noticed there are also several strings that come packaged with a light coating of lubricant already on it.
     
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    Spray your whole racquet except the grip with Armor All. It will be good for your strings and racquet, making it shiny and slippery.

    Maybe the real reason some pros switch racquets after several games is because the silicone spray has worn off.
     
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    You could be onto something here... :)
     
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    I think that might work.

    you'd think that a string with more grip gives you more spin but studies have shown that the sliding of the strings causes the extra spin.

    poly actually is a primitive material that doesn't give you much power or elasticity but due to it's slickness it generates a ton of spin.
     
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    WD40 is a solvent-based lubricant - BEWARE

    Headsup on the use of WD40 - it's a petroleum-based solvent that will do a real number on your strings if you use it, and maybe take the paint off your racquet as well. Stinks to high heaven as well.

    Silicone spray is silicone spray - an synthetic lubricant that is manufactured without petroleum. There's a huge difference - silicone spray shouldn't hurt your strings or racquets.
     
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    In baseball, both players share the ball, but pine tar is illegal to use on a bat.
     
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    Pine tar isn't illegal to use on a bat, you just can't have it more than 18 inches up the handle. Never mind me, I'm just being pedantic.
     
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    The incessant bashing of Nadal and others by some posters is really tiresome and juvenile. This spray is not banned -- so it is NOT cheating.
     
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    the windshield wiper follow through generates more RPMS than the classic over the shoulder. ban the WW follow through!!
     
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    poly and spin

    Re the earlier posts re rec players not being able to tell the difference or make the most of increased spin from changing strings, that's bunk.

    I play 3.5/4.0 singles. I'm old (47) and no monster (155#) but I have good racquet head acceleration and my baseline game is based on heavy, defensive spin.

    I play with a POG OS, very open pattern.

    I have strung this racquet with full gut, full multi, full poly and just about every hybrid choice imaginable, at every tension imaginable. After 6 months of syngut mains and poly crosses at around 50#, I was missing spin and went back to full poly at 45#.

    I have significantly more spin with this setup. I see it and my regular opponents comment on it without me mentioning the change.
     
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    I tried using a pure silicone lubricant that I bought from a hardware earlier today on my gosen sg's. It worked in wonders! I felt more spin is generated and the feel on a synthetic gut is like you are using a poly string. I used to straighten the string bed on change overs. But now with silicone lubricant, no more straightening of the string bed. Plus it gives you more spin on the ball! Kenji Okimoto is right on concluding that lubricating the strings increases spin. :)
     
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