Pros using silcone spray on their strings

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  1. drakulie

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    I've been stringing at cincy all week. Have yet to see any pro take the racquet out of the P1 bags and spray it with anything. They go straight to the courts.
     
  2. Bobby Jr

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    drakulie - have you ever had anyone request you to do a non-legit string pattern such as over, over, under, under, over, over...?

    I know it's banned but I had a restring recently where I got this done in the middle 10 of 16 mains (on a PS85 - I was just using the last of a type of string I'm moving on from and thought I'd see how it turned out). It was spinnier no doubt - although had the feel of being a looser string-job (with some tweaking the right balance might be possible).

    I wonder if any pros have done it without getting caught.
     
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    I doubt he would do it. If the player got caught he would likely deny it and say that stupid stringer did this! I never told him too!
     
  4. drakulie

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    Bobby, no. No one has asked for something like that, and quite frankly at a pro event, I wouldn't do it unless they signed something.

    Weirdest request I got was lepchenko who requested mains pulled only at the head of frame. She strung something like 50 mains 56 crosses. We measured her frame off the machine and it nearly 3/4 inch longer.
     
  5. Backhanded Compliment

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    I use blaster silicone spray... I dont think it provides more spin than new strings but it does prolong that feeling. My current Poly/gut setup is at 17 hours and it is actually slightly spinner than when I first had it strung because it has a lower tension now and a broad string tension disparity. The gut makes up for the poly's deadness.
     
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    Guys, I found this at WalMart as well but didn't purchase. Read the label. One of the first ingredients is Acetone, which is a strong solvent. Whether you are using it on poly, syn, or multi it will not be good for your strings or grommets and could even affect some of the paint finish on your frame. Use with caution.
     
  7. canny

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    Since seeing this thread a couple months back I've been keeping a can of silicon spray in my bag. I spray it on before I play. With poly, without a doubt it increases my spin. But whats the legality of this all? (my high school tennis season is coming up)
     
  8. v-verb

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    I tried it at my last match. Didn't make a lot of difference IMO but did make the balls pretty dirty.

    I'll keep using it sparingly to see if it extends the life of my poly strings.

    I think it's legal, but messy
     
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    Cool, I'll give it a try when I see some.

    So did it make a difference to your game? More spin? Did the ball sit up or give opponents trouble?

    Cheers
     
  11. TimothyO

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    How about some KY?

    :D
     
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    BITD, used Mink oil. Still do but on my Military issue jump boots. Btw, 8-12" snow Wednesday so Oh By Golly have a holly jolly Xmas this year. Gettin it in before the snow Tues.
     
  14. Relinquis

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    why don't you guys learn proper technique and practice instead?
     
  15. Ronaldo

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    Everyone already has that and if you don't know, then they will tell you.
     
  16. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes nothing wrong with my game, just need some grease on my strings.
     
  17. canny

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    No sitting up. Just increased the amount of spin on my strings. Like the increase thatd you get from switching from a smoothed/dead poly to a new set. It works best if I just wanna give some one high backhands, dirty drop shots or hit with a bit more pace. For me its more of a string maintenance thing.
     
  18. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes I agree it makes the strings feel a bit more lively and less boardlike for longer. Not like fresh strings, but still...
     
  19. 3fees

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    Instead of silicone spray try emery cloth on the strings, makes them rougher to grab the ball better.

    Does the silicone transfer to the ball ?
     
  20. Maui19

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    I used a wax-based lubricant that dries quickly on the strings. There is no doubt that I get much more spin for about the first 30-40 minutes. But I don't use it for the spin--I use it to protect my gut mains in damp weather.

    Well ok I do use it in matches from time to time.
     
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    i wouldn't want to get someone's grease on my tennis balls
     
  22. Wilander

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    Yeah, when I tried silikone spray, i felt guilty, as the balls got very dirty in no time. Im was playing on clay, so the balls got orange soon. There may be no dirt on the balls on a clean hardcourt though.
     
  23. TimothyO

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    I'm experimenting with silicone and PTFE and get to hit later today with the wife. This is a concern for me too. The spray I chose says it won't collect dirt and dust. Did yours say the same thing?

    Yesterday I bounced a ball with both frames in the garage and there were no marks on the ball. If it does collect dirt from the court on the balls then I can't see using it in the future. Doesn't seem kosher to do that.
     
  24. ShoeShiner

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    As I know, there are many types of silicone sprays. WD40 is LUBRICANT silicone spray. I use hybrid strings, poly+multi. I will test by myself. :-?


    Ha ha ha. :):):)
     
  25. Ronaldo

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    Our club already smells like Flexall 454.
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  27. ShoeShiner

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    I tested in this morning :
    ● 2 rackets, same model, with old string(2 months ago) and new string(last week), same tension.
    ● the rackets strung with hybrid strings, Signum Pro + Prince Syn.
    ● silicone spray is Permatex 116DA, as shown in picture.
    ● before sprayed, used each racket 15 minutes.
    ● After sprayed, used each racket 15 minutes.
    . . .
    I felt the silicone spray can give more significant spin on the racket with new string.
    BUT I think I will not use silicone spray, my play style is not the spin-attack style. AND the vapor of spray has oil smell.
    [​IMG]
     
  28. Inner Game

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    If they are going to ban sprays...then make everyone use the same string. I'm sure all you tennis junkies have been watching how the pro's change rackets every 6 or 7 games...and their rackets are in plastic bags...HELLO "MCFLY" the pro's have been using string lubrication techniques for spin for years. The problem is it will last only so long...approx 20 minutes...that's why they change rackets...Also they don't want to publicize a spray product that give tremendous spin...why...because then the tennis industry string sales would plummet....the truth is string lubrication can bring back spin and zing in old strings....
     
  29. Bowtiesarecool

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    I feel it's necessary to point out, after reading some questions and misinformation that...

    Pure silicone does not attract dirt

    Oil does

    WD40 is NOT silicone. While the ingredients are proprietary, it is in fact an oil based mixture. (On a side note, don't use WD on your sliding glass door trac because it attracts dirt.)

    Lubricating your strings prolongs the life of your stringjob and increases spin potential by reducing the notch-causing inter-string friction, thus allowing strings to move back and fourth more freely.

    Lubing your old, notched strings, may give back some spin potential... But you won't get nearly the same effect as doing so to new string.

    It has been pointed out by the various tournament stringers here that, they have not applied or witnessed pros applying lube to their strings. Their racquets are bagged because it adds to a more professional string job as opposed to just throwing un-bagged racquets into someone's bag.

    There's no good reason to feel bad about getting lube on someone's balls. It doesn't hurt the ball, nor does it cause the ball to pick up a significant amount of dirt in the short time you're going to use them. If you or your opponent aren't discarding or throwing them into your practice basket after 2-3 sets, you should be.
     
  30. Anton

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    Been using Silicone lube on my strings for a few months and love it.

    Everything that is good about poly gets amplified.

    1. lasts forever and stays playable much longer because notching is reduced.
    2. More spin - easier string movement at same tension= more spin.
    3. You get more comfort at same tension because easier sliding effectively reduces string bed stiffness.
     
  31. Povl Carstensen

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    I just want to repeat: "Fast Fret", which can be bought in musical instrument stores (and probably on the net). It is not a spray but a stick, so it saves the enormous waste of silicone and gasses that goes between the strings. And I would ekko the advantages of the post above.
     
  32. SouthboundAgain

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    I'm the new to the silicone spray thing and plan on trying it for curiosity's sake. I had a few questions:
    - does it have to be silicone based? why? can any lubricant/oil be used?
    - How much do you apply, and does it matter when you apply it? Is a few hours before playing too long?
     
  33. Anton

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    My buddy put on oil based lubricant after I lubed his racket once and he said it was a lot of mess and didn't do much good.

    On poly it works right away, though maybe it will last longer if you leave on for some time before playing.

    BTW I do not spray on the strings, I spray on a piece of paper towel and then use that to rub it onto the strings.
     
  34. Anton

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    Yep, that's why I don't try to spray the strings directly and use a paper towel to apply silicone instead.
     
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    I wax my mains during stringing, and re-apply every few weeks. Seems to reduce notching and fraying substantially. Not sure if it gives more spin or not but it definitely does something for durability...silicone or armor-all might work even better.
     
  36. Povl Carstensen

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    I do fast fret right before every outing, takes approx. 10 sec.
     
  37. ultradr

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    Isn't the idea going between strings where frictions are?

    Then should we move mains and spary. Then move cross and spray.
    Then comb the string bed back to normal. Then it would take a few minutes at least.
     
  38. v-verb

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    The first time the strings move the lube would get under the string crosses. I agree with the 10 seconds and I have Fast Fret as well. I think I stole the idea from Povl
     
  39. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes and besides, the idea is mainly to get them to move back in place.
     
  40. arche3

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    Hey torres why do you care if pros use silicone or not? I don't think its a big deal.
     
  41. Atomicman

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    You guys want to use Food Grade silicone Spray.

    It is the stuff used on Dry-Suit Rubber seals to keep them lubricated.

    It is used on Food handling and processing equipment.

    I also use it on the heels of my ski boot liners and rear of shell, since I have lace up liners and must put the liner on my foot before putting it in the shell. Makes it really easy to get the whole shabazz in the shell!


    You don't want to be using WD-40 or stuff with solvents!
     
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    You guys want to use Food Grade Silicone Spray.

    It is the stuff used on Dry-Suit Rubber seals to keep them lubricated.

    It is used on Food handling and processing equipment.

    I also use it on the heels of my ski boot liners and rear of shell, since I have lace up liners and must put the liner on my foot before putting it in the shell. Makes it really easy to get the whole shabazz in the shell!


    You don't want to be using WD-40 or stuff with solvents!
     
  43. Anton

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    WD-40 is a company name. Other then their famous primary product that eats up rust, they also make standard silicone lubricant, I've used it for a while now and it works great.
     
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    We need to start a new thread on how to apply and use this method of lubing! Before this I have never heard of this of my 8 years as a tennis player. I think its a great idea... it might be a game changing/string saving experience for a lot of people. Though I do agree that more and more strings are already being lubed at the factory.
     
  45. Povl Carstensen

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    That lube probably does not last long. And it is quite easy; circle your FastFret stick concentrical around both sides of the stringbed and you are done, takes app. 10-12 seconds...
     
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    From what I've read, string movement is going to cause abnormal forces on the ball. This makes me think higher tensions may be best( since strings don't move)

    As far as string ( gut breakage); I break strings( most at top of head. The vs factory coat may be ok, but 20 minutes of hitting and the strings are cutting.

    I remember gut life and baby powder / corn starch in the cover. I decided to go with ace hardware polyurethane spray. I would reccomend bringing the string savers on verticals from base to top of head and 10 strings wide.

    Additionally I would recommend testing tension as it will increase exponentially as you approach complete racquet coverage
     
  47. Anton

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    umm yes, abnormal forces that act to counter-spin the ball, which you want.
     
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    Then I present pine tar.
     
  49. 1HBHfanatic

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    i used chapstick on a clients racquet, full gamma.syn.gut, so far so good, no complaints, string are still holding straight, btw its was cherry flavor
     
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    The thread that just keeps on giving
     

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