PT280: actual headsize and pallets

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  1. eman resu

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    Is it a "regular" 97 or smaller, like most heads are?
    Does it allow the current pallets system?
     
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  2. MarrratSafin

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    I would call it 96.:) And yes the PT280 has pallets.
     
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    Thank you! Do you use it on a regular basis? Could you say a few words about how it plays? I know there is a huge thread about it, but that's a bit overwhelming at 90+ pages (last time I checked). A quick view would be nice.. :)
     
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    Last and least: if I wanted to CAP it, would any Prestige MP CAP fit?
     
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    Size is about 95.
    Hits comfy and precise.
    Doesn't need cap.
    Odds are that you'd like your Pogs better...
     
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  6. eman resu

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    thanks, but why do you think that? Anyway, I'd switch it for my yonex, so they're the ones to compare. The POG stays. I'm looking for more control than the yonex and for a level of maneuverability between the POG and the rdti80 (very fast). I'dd probably add a few grams to the handle when I replace the pallets with my Wilson Rok ones.
     
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    Pog has more spin and bigger sweet spot. 2nd serve is a lot better with Pog, ROS too.
     
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  8. MarrratSafin

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    The made in Austria version is up there with the best frames I ever hit with imho, it is one of my everyday frames. It is very soft and has a dampened and plush feel, and the perfect weight for me. Use a thin soft co-poly at low tensions or gut/poly hybrid for best performance.
     
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  9. eman resu

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    nah, it's designed in austria (i.e. made in china). Hope it's still a good racquet on its own...
     
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    I have heard some prefer the slightly stiffer and heavier China version over the softer Austrian version. I do not own a China version, however people have noted they are very similar and still a very good frame for sure.:)
     
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    I only hope its not too heavy. I once saw one at 370g. That would suck... HOpe its on the 340-345 range.
     
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    It should weight around 350g strung. 370g could be with leather grip, thick strings and on the heavier end of the tolerance range. You can change the grommet to Microgel Radical MP grommet to decrease 7g and more than 10 units of swingweight, hope this helps.
     
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    Mine is China and still pretty soft. Strung with thick gut in mains, synthetic grip and overgrip, is about 340g.
     
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    Prestige MP CAPs should work for you. I've used the CAPs from a Microgel Prestige MP on an old original Radical MP, which is the same mold as the PT280.
     
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    thanks. How hard is it to install cap grommets? I'm experienced with pallets, but not with grommets. Is it much harder than replacing pallets? Is there any cap that's lighter than usual?
     
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    It should be fairly easy, but you might need something with a long point to guide the grommets through the holes.

    I just start at the top, pushing the racket against the ground and slowly rolling it to the side, guiding one grommet at a time.

    It should just take a few minutes.
     
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  17. eman resu

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    Thanks. I managed to find the new clear caps from the IG Prestige MP (I live in a country where tennis companies don't treat customers well and you can't buy these kind of things). It's not the best looking CAP, but it will do for now. Has anybody installed one of those on a pt280? Is that a big sin? Any pics? :)
     
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    I might be able to get a LM Prestige MP CAP as well. Probably looks better, but is a bit heavier, according to some posts here. They should both work, IG and LM, right? Is there any difference in feel between them? Would any of these be somehow easier to install?
     
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    I imagine the IG CAPs might be easier if they are thinner and lighter. The beefier LM CAPs will probably be a little bit more difficult to manipulate.

    It just depends on how much extra weight you can handle.
     
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    Take the old blowdryer to soften them a bit, makes it more easy to install.
     
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    630 square centimeters converts to about 97.5 square inches.
    (The PT 630 is the same racquet, different decal. 280 was a Trisys number, 630 is metric.)

    Head's 97/98 is roughly equivalent to Dunlop's 95 sq inches.

    CAPS should add about 10 grams over standard grommets.

    CAPS want to stay straight and can be uncooperative. Patience is the key.
    I usually install them as much as they initially allow and tape them in place overnight to get them used to the rackets shape and then use an awl to guide the grommets in place. Sometimes they go right in, other times, it is combat. :) As mentioned above, you can also heat them up to make them more pliable.

    Yes, very similar. Any differences are minor IMHO. I have all the versions and use them interchangeably.
    All Head Pro Tour 630/280's are great frames IMHO.
     
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  22. eman resu

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    interesting tips, thank you guys! I'll try it stock first, of coures, and then intall cap, if I feel I can handle it.
     
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  23. eman resu

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    Finally my PT280 trisys system is in my hands. Designed in Austria, Head barcode label inside. Very nice looking, 356g strung, fairway leather + gamma overgrip. Balance at 12.5"

    as for the grommets, to make things clear:
    1)If I add LM Prestige MP CAP grommets, will it add 10g?
    2)What about IG Caps, how lighter are they?
    3)What's the weight of the standard pt280 grommets?
     
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  24. vsbabolat

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    That PT280 you have was actually manufactured in Austria.........
     
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  25. Fearsome Forehand

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    The Head Bar Code Label Inside graphic suggests a Czech racket, supposedly molded in Austria, finished in the Czech Republic. Might be all Czech though. Head moved a lot of tennis and ski production to the Czech Republic to take advantage of favorable exchange rates. Later they moved almost all racket production to the PRC just like every other company.

    The last time someone asked this, I weighed a CAP set versus a standard set. IIRC, the net difference was 10 grams. Roughly 20 grams versus 10? Not noticeable to me but there are some who would say they note a difference. An overgrip adds about 6 grams, a rubber band damper maybe 2, 10 grams is not significant IMHO. No idea of the weight of the IG CAP, maybe a few grams lighter?

    Don't obsess about the small stuff. Just go out and play the racket.:)
     
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  26. vsbabolat

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    Not all Czech made. It was manufactured in Austria and finished in Czech Republic.
     
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    I have heard this before. Source?
     
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    thanks! I still haven't played it stock and I'll wait before installing CAP grommets. Still haven't bought one... 10g at he head seems a lot, but I'm used to my POG OS at 370g, so it's not that big of a deal. Lets see how I play tomorrow and the next week.
    As for the origin of the racquet, it's kind of cool to have a not chinese one, but I'd be happy enough with any.
     
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    The extra 10 g will be on the sides of the racket, since that is where the CAPs have extra weight that the standard grommets don't.

    If you want to get an idea of how it will feel, you can take your standard frame and add 10 g of lead tape on the sides. Start from the bottom edge of the bumper and go all the way down to roughly the bottom cross string. This should give you an idea of how the extra heft will feel.
     
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    I replaced the poly stings that were on it for a 1.20mm syn gut by toalson... a squash string... 55lbs. I don't break 1.30 syn. gut strings often (only once, actually, and it was in fact a multi), so I hope it lasts long enough for me to decide if I want to cap it.
    The poly played well after the first 5 or 10 strokes, but I need to try it with synthetic gut so I can get a better comparison. Never went that thin, though...
     
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    I tried to simulate a cap by adding 10g around the head, focusing at the sides. It felt and looked solid, but when I went to the court it lacked maneuverability on the 1hbh side. Serves were very heavy, thought, I really liked it.
    I'd added 3g at the buttcap to conter balance, but I'll add 3 more. Total weight is now 370g, with 1.20 mm Toalson syn gut, fairway leather, 2 gamma overgrips that dont reach the end of the handle, sampras O dampaner and the "cap tape". More HL than before. It weighted 354g before adding tape.
     
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    Balance is 12,25", around 31 cm. 10pts HL, I guess?
     
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  34. eman resu

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    As I was removing the grommets to install cap ones, I noticed I could detach the bumperguard from the grommets strip! Its a TK55A. If I could put them back without the bumper, it would weight 9g less. I want to try it. It's a perfect opportunity to extend that frame to 28", but I can't get them in again, as they are used and flared. If I get a new grommet set (radical mp), are they all detatchable like this one? IG, YT, MG, LM? Wich ones should I look for?
     
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    bad luck, all the later grommets have head guard integrated with grommets

    I just put clear YT Prestige cap Grommets onto my zebra Rad Tour MP.
    Think it looks the best with clear caps not black. :???:

    these old tanks have so much mass I doubt if extra 2/6/10g affects much :twisted:
     
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