PT57E Verification

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  1. yourname1245

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    anyone know of these codes or any other add info. these are my first prostocks just got them. they are PT57e with IG Prestige PJ.
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  2. cork_screw

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    Honestly, it looks like somebody just printed them on with their home computer. Not saying it ain't a pt57e, but the asian letters make it look really strange. I don't think head does that. It might be the pt57e, and the previous owner just applied this on, or it might not be and could just be a regular retail stock or some other pro stock or a TGK stock. Who knows. The serial pallet looks very distinct and I have a few and none look like this.

    I wish I could juggle a ball on the stringhead of your frame. I could tell you for sure if it's a pt57e or not just by the feel and flex.
     
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    i guess if it has that distinct sound on ball contact... that could be a sign? you got me thinking now.
     
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    Have you taken any measurements with it? Balance, SW, etc.?
     
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  5. ten11

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    That 3 Chinese characters means "player racket".

    Sal, I have a hairline cracked PT57E and live close to you in about 20 minutes drive. If you want to get together to hit, I'd love to try your PT57E.
     
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    i strung one up and im going to go hit it now. ill let you know.
    if it says players racquet i guess i dont have much to worry about.

    sal
     
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  7. El Zed

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    Why would an Austrian made racquet have Chinese letters on it indicating "player's racquet" - come on people. I'd be highly skeptical...
     
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  8. eleventeenth street

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    don't all off-the-shelf head frames have codes on the hairpin under the pallets?

    so those codes aren't necessarily indicative of them being pro stock frames.
     
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  9. cork_screw

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    Honestly, I don't think we care what it means, the fact that it has Chinese lettering and that head doesn't typically put Chinese lettering on any of their racquets let alone pro stocks.

    Also, your "hairline crack" - a lot of paintjobs have hairline paint fractures at the 6 o'clock face if you look down ontop of the grommets. I had a pt57e that was brand new and never hit with, and it develops it because they use a very thin coat of paint to not affect the specs. If that is your hairline crack it is just the paint and not the actual frame.
     
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    A member said that since the new IG paint jobs they have made all the sticks in china... I'm not sure of anyone can confirm.
    I did have a hit and I can say this is not a retail frame. Its a shame they can't make retail sticks lime this anymore.
     
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  11. El Zed

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    No, the Pro Tour variants are still made in Austria...
     
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  12. yourname1245

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    Any other pictures or parts of the racquet that could help? For sure just playing it last night I know its not. But the chineses writing is fishy... I'm not sure. Maybe the graphite or final production comes from china?
     
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  13. Fearsome Forehand

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    My gut instinct is that that they are obvious fakes. For one thing, the handles don't look right at all. They should have Head pallets or, if unpalleted, Head cores. As well, the labels look phony as hell.

    A real PT57E should be like a Head Pro Tour 280/630 with a slightly stiffer flex.
    What do they weigh? What is the string pattern? What kind of grommets do they have. etc?

    From the weight on the stickers, the unstrung weight is slightly under 9 ounces? So maybe, almost 11 ounces strung and with a grip? Seems sort of light for a pro frame. That is not as damning as the handles IMHO as a pro stock racket could be made light in anticipation of weight being added during customization.

    Where did you buy them? How much did you pay? Did you buy from a reputable seller or out of some guy's trunk in Times Square? Or, from one of those Chinese websites that sell knockoffs?

    Those look like typical Chinese knockoffs IMHO. Make sure to wear your "Rolex" when you hit with them and keep them stored in your "Louis Vuitton" tennis bag at all times. :)

    I guess these counterfeiting aholes must do a little research on what rackets sell for a premium. Buyer beware.
     
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  14. Fearsome Forehand

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    I thought they meant, "So Sorry, you have been suckered"

    Be very careful who you buy from.

    Sal, if you conclude they are fakes, if possible, take them back where you bought them and if they don't refund you, tell them you will be filing police and FBI reports against them for fraud. If you bought them online from the PRC or Hong Kong, you are probably SOL (not SAL.) Good luck!

    Now, if you like the rackets, fake or not, and you didn't shell out ridiculous prices for supposedly pro stock frames, you could always keep them.

    I have noticed a lot of sellers on the auction site are using the term pro stock rather loosely. If it wasn't a racket made for a pro, it isn't pro stock IMHO.
     
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  15. ten11

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    why don't you post few more pictures to show butt cap, throat area, side where cap ends? I am not that an expert but there are plenty and we might able to find a trace or two in there.
    More importantly, where did you get it? If you get from a player directly, then you know it is real. I did get a pair from a guy, it is unmarked. After the deal, I look-up his name from shipping box in google and hit atp site. The guy is an active atp player.
     
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    I need to explain what player in "player racket" means in Chinese. Player racket does NOT mean what tw means. It is not referring to type of racket heavy, small head size. The player in here means the player been selected. An analogy will be after spring training, a player made to the roaster, then he is a player. So this "player racket" means for those selected player. Hope this helps.
     
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  17. Fearsome Forehand

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    My new return address is going to be Guga, 100 Main St, Anytown, USA.:)

    Anyone can put any name as a return address. It seems odd that an ATP player is selling his rackets online. That doesn't seem to happen very much.

    The racket itself is the proof. It is pretty easy to spot a fake unless they are extremely well made which is very rare. If there is a clear chain of custody between the buyer and an ATP player or a known customizer like P1 or **** then the buyer can be fairly certain the rackets are the real deal.
     
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  18. El Zed

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    Are there any Chinese letters stating that "this is not a fake, but authentic"? Joking of course, but some critical thinking is needed - just because it doesn't feel like a retail racquet doesn't mean it's a pro stock. As FF noted, far more likely its counterfeit.
     
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    the specs on the handle are dead on to what i measured so as far as that goes it seems alittle off.... i can highly doubt these are fake just by how they play and respond, i have played plenty of fake racquets.
    im adding more pictures now, they came with grommets and pallets i removed them to customize.
     
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    the buttcap is the new prostock with the little hole for silicone
     
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  21. dr325i

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    Because it is NOT an Austrian made racket, just like the PT57A, etc.
    Head has started the production of these with the 2nd half of Youtek batch...
     
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  22. dr325i

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    Incorrect...except for the Specific ones...
    The PT57x not any more
     
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    A lot of wrong speculation here...

    First, the PT57E is a different mold than the PT57A (PT630/280), so, they should look different.
    Next, nothing points out that they are knock offs, in fact, they look completely legit.
    The Hairpin spec (sticker) means nothing weuight-wise as they are customized (silicone, what else in the handle, any lead???)... The sticker weight numbers are RIGHT ON for the Pro stock and the balance point looks correct.

    No, he did not get them from me or anyone I know...
     
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    i never thought they were fake... like usual when the prostock talk comes out every starts putting their 2 cents.
    all i can say is these are better then any stick feel, response and just pop. i dont think they can make a bootleg this well.

    so we have concluded they are real? i just wanted to know if the other codes on the handles meant anything.
     
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  25. Fearsome Forehand

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    ^Maybe, maybe not. Forgive me if I remain skeptical. :)

    I honestly hope for Sal's sake they are legit.

    Are you saying PT57E's don't use Head pallets?

    What are the differences, in your opinion, between a legit 57A and a 57E?
    Please list them one by one.
     
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    I'm not sure you will get a definitive verdict here. You will get opinions. Some will say they look fake, some will say they look real.

    As we already know, everyone who posts on this board is an "expert." :)

    Look at the grommets, etc. They are usually obvious tells. The only pics you posted were of the handles.
    I would think the absence of pallets might point to a problem. Is Head putting foam in the handles now?

    If you post pics of all parts of the frame, you might get more informed opinions.

    Who did you by them from? If a legit dealer, that makes it more likely they are real than if you bought them from "some guy."

    I am always skeptical about things like this so take that into consideration.

    I hope for your sake that they are real and that you received what you paid for.
     
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  27. yourname1245

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    Fearsome Forehand have you ever owned a prostock? hit with one?

    almost all head including all the prostocks come pair hairpins... so yes they all accept a pallet.
     
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  28. Fearsome Forehand

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    Many, currently own about 30.

    Will Head pallets fit on the rackets you have? If so, that is a good sign. Are they 18x20 patterns? If so, another good sign.

    Okay, Dr, the pics he posted later were not posted when I rendered my initial opinion. After seeing the pics of the frames later posted and if they accept standard Head pallets, butt caps and grommets, I think it is likely they are real based on a preponderance of the evidence. They look just like Pro Tours painted red. :)

    We still have no info as to point of purchase, etc. All these factors add up. But, the last pics posted in post 20 look good .

    Sal, I think you probably got what you paid for. The last batch of pics looks a lot better than the first pics. :)

    So, Head is making pro stock frames in the PRC now? What does that do to the whole Made in Austria love affair some people have had for years?
     
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  29. El Zed

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    I stand corrected if true, but this is the first I've heard about the PT57s now being an unequivocal Chinese make. Not doubting you, just surprised and disappointed. So which specific PTs are Austrian made?

    Sal, since my presumption was that PT57s were still MIA, I'll take a step back as the rest of your pictures do appear to indicate possible authenticity.
     
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  30. Hankenstein

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    The specs looks about 100 % correct for a pro hairpin. The chinese letters on the hairpin looks the same on my TGK 238.1 pro-stock. A bit hard to see, but it looks like this:

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    yes they accept pallets.. i took the pallets off to change them. 18x20 but its definetly not as dense as the retail radical or prestige. good spin production for a dense pattern.
     
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  32. Fearsome Forehand

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    Any numbers of the grommets? Should be molded in.

    Anyway, the pics in post 20 look good. Seem real to me.

    Did you get them from a dealer or just some guy?
     
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    a guy that had them... they were new and all made at the same time. they are triplets... costed me 350.00 a stick plus the flight from europe.
    they take the prestige MP cap grommets.
     
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    dr325i is a good source as is vsbabolat, these guys know what they are talking about.


    But these sticks now range a whole lot. For instance I've seen the youtek pj with no identification stamp other than what is printed under the pallet strip and I've recently come across a few where they have actually printed them back onto the throat like the old fxp pj's. None the less, this stick as well as the "a" gives a very distinct feel and feedback in flex and firmness. It wouldn't take more than a few ball juggles to really give you an answer what that stick is. I've had both the pt57a and now I have the "e" and I would say I personally prefer the "e" because it is more predictable for me.

    Here's my word of advice. If you got these bad boys from Stringforum then just go to the BOI section or whatever reference they have for past experiences with that seller. You can also google his her name with the site in mention. If the seller has a user name of whatever site you contacted him from if be from a classified ad, try to do some research to see what his past rep looks like. If he or she is in good standing then just assume that you got what this racquet goes for and just stop thinking about it and that is indeed the racquet that is what was advertised. This pj costs about the amount you paid and they look new.

    The sticks you have are presumably what I use now. I sold them off because I thought I could play with others, but I had to do some hunting and gave a bit of patience before I relanded some of these sticks. I love them because to me they have a unique ability to attack serves regardless of serve pace. It just pockets and redirects it so well. The control is good and the predictable directional control is also nice.

    These sticks look good. Good luck and happy hitting.
     
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    Looking forward to hitting with you and your pro stocks, I'm sure all of your erratic shots will sound better than ever.:roll:
     
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  37. Fearsome Forehand

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    ^It is not the player, it is the racket. :)
     
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  38. movdqa

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    The player code sticker looks valid. If you can figure out who it is and ensure that they use the same thing - you're probably set. The volume sellers on SF are good folks. There have been a few scammers (or maybe just one person with multiple usernames) and you have to watch out for them.

    Sounds like a nice pickup you have there.
     
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