Pure Drive v. Juice

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    I demo'd the Wilson Juice and the Babolat Pure Drive today. My background is that I currently use an old Aeropro (purchased in 2006). I string gut in the mains at 55, and Kirschbaum Pro-Line II in the crosses at 50. FWIW, I'm a 4.0 doubles player who likes to play with as much topspin as I can. I also like to serve with spin.

    The PD felt almost exactly like my current racket. So if I want to just stick with what I've been doing, the PD will get the job done.

    The Juice, though. I have such mixed feelings about it. When I lined up a FH, I produced a ball with so much spin and weight that my practice partner struggled to handle it. Really awesome spin, even with those crap demo strings.

    The trouble came with everything else. I hit my FH long a lot -- if I didn't get set up perfectly or got jammed, the ball flew on me, lacking topspin. And for some reason, I couldn't hit my 2HBH to save my life. It felt underpowered when I did make contact, for some reason. I felt like I made poor contact a lot more than usual.

    I did like the Juice, but I am not sure whether it can be made suitable for me. I mean, how would I know, short of buying the thing and stringing it the way I like?

    Does it make sense to take the Juice and add lead to make it a bit less underpowered/head light? Or should I just forget it and go with the PD?
     
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  2. Fed Kennedy

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    I would say try the pro open over the juice...better stick. Also...adding lead can be frustrating, you can drive yourself crazy...
    Have you tried the vcore 100s? I think it is the best stick in this class along with pro open....
     
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  3. Power Player

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    Lead makes a racquet more powerful, especially if you add it in the head, which is where you would need to add it to make it more head heavy.

    The Pro Open is very, very good..but less spin and power by a small margin then the sticks you demoed.
     
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  4. Cindysphinx

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    Pro open? What is that?
     
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    It is wilsons version of the Apd. A little bit softer and slimmer than the juice. A very clean and stable feeling rac. I know several 4.5 guys that play it in stock form.
     
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    Stick with the new PD. It feels nearly identical to the old APD and has a bit more power.

    BTW, what grip size are your APD's?
     
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  8. tistrapukcipeht

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    I demoed both PD 12 and AP drive.

    Both sucked, but the aero pro is worse.

    I would suggest you to look at EZONE Xi, much better racquet, demo it, you'll see it, there is feel and connection between everything.
     
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    Yeah they suck, only Yonex is good...lol.

    This guy.

    The Ezone Xi will be discontinued after this round of horrible sales.
     
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  10. tistrapukcipeht

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    You are too sensitive guy!

    Only because I said they both suck you are getting offended, relax, I actually like your passion for Babolat, trying to spread out how good they are and recommending in almost every thread, but it's getting silly.

    Well, don't blame me if Babolat can't make a decent racquet, if you like it fine, but to me it doesn't cut it, it is hollow, vibrates a lot, ugly... it is my opinion and the opinion of many others as well.

    Tell me now where I stated that only Yonex is good??

    I don't really care if it will be discontinued or not, sales have nothing to with the quality and how good things are, most of time the ones that don't sell much are normally better. we all know about the market strategies of Babolat.

    While I demoed all 3, you never played with Yonex Xi so you can't say much, you don't know what is the feedback on Yonex Xi.

    So, no need to be fighting over racquets man.
     
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    I'm not sensitive, you just made a horrible post that has nothing to do with the topic. Cindy has used the same babolat racquet for years. Coming in and saying it sucks is lame and childish, and also serves zero purpose in assisting anyone.

    Sorry it is tough for you to see that.

    And I did demo the yonex xi. I'm not going to get into it, but I still play babolats.

    If she wants to try a yy, I'd go with FedK's suggestion all day long over the xi.
     
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  12. tistrapukcipeht

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    Fair enough, I shouldn't have said it sucks, but I should have said:

    It is hollow, vibrates a lot, has no feel, stiff and can't really be used with polyester full bed, otherwise it will slowly develop tennis elbow in the majority of people.

    You made infantile and childish comments about the Ezone Xi comparing with Babolat sales which clearly had nothing to do with the subject neither.

    I have asked you before if you had demoed the Xi and you said you hadn't, so you don't need to make up stuff.

    Lastly, you haven't tested the Vcore 100S neither, so your opinion is only based off another member's opinion, not your experience with it, your opinion is just as important or irrelevant as anyone's .

    Relax man, there is no need to get this angry with me and others just because we have different opinions from yours. :)
     
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    I had not demoed it at the time. Guess what? The one that they had finally came in and I tried it out for 20 minutes. Sorry I didnt update you at the time and let you know. I dont report every single racquet that I demo on here man.

    And Cindy is using gut mains last time I checked, not full poly.

    There is nothing infantile or childish about what I said. I am telling you what was told to me by a sales rep who will not be carrying the stick anymore due to poor sales. She told me that when I was handed the demo.

    I am not sure what makes you think I am angry from text interaction. You should reread what I said and explain how poor sales on your racquet means that I am acting childish. That is ridiculous, and just you reaching for something.

    So why the heck should Cindy demo this racquet again? She is asking about specific sticks not a million recommendations.
     
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  14. sureshs

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    You cannot add mass and make a racket underpowered. Sure you can add the lead towards the handle and make it more HL, but it would still be more powerful.
     
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    I think you she is meaning figuratively less power. Take a lite racquet for instance, my swing is faster and I have to tone down my strokes for consistency. As I add weight to it, yes the racquet is more powerful and my swing speed hasn't been slowed down as much relative to the added power. You get to a point where you keep adding weight and it slows down your swing speed to where you can take take full cuts at the ball every time and they wont fly long. To me this is the optimal weight to me. Literally yes, the racquet itself is has more power but your swing speed has slowed down.
     
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    Agreed. Adding weight right inside the buttcap will make the SW calculation decrease because of where the pivot point for calculating SW is located (a certain distance up the handle from the buttcap). In reality, however, you can't add mass to a frame and have it swing lighter or lower the power. It may appear more maneuverable with the additional HL balance.

    To Cindy, try a 2012 PD and you may be surprised how close it feels to your original APD (the last version of the PD felt less like the APD, IMO). The 2012 PD has the same type of spin and stability with more pop. I was never a PD fan but the 2012 is a completely different frame. I'm very curious how the next generation APD will feel.
     
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    FWIW, I've used all those racquets..the Juice comes out on top for me in every aspect. It needs to have the right string setup to really shine, but it is a fantastic racquet...especially at net. Control is excellent. Some people say the Pure Drive has better control, but I didn't feel that way at all. The only time I had an issue was when the tension dropped on my string before it popped one day. The forehands really sailed long on me. I tightened up the tension and it felt great after that. I've ordered a reel of Luxilon Savage - have a preference for that vs the Tourna BHB7 I have been using..although that is an excellent string as well. My net game has improved significantly after switching to this racquet.

    The best comparison I can offer between it and the Pure Drive is that it feels a bit more plush when hitting. The Pure Drive was extremely stiff when I hit with it. The stiffness rating on the Juice is deceptive.
     
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  18. sureshs

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    Correct. It is 4 inches from the butt cap.

    It was shown on this forum using measurements that the SW went down a little.
     
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    Personally I would not go with the one that has obvious flaws during demo and expect magic to happen through customization. I'd pick one that plays well all around and micro adjust after purchase to my likings.
     
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  21. decades

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    I play with 2012 pure drive and it doesn't hurt my arm at all. it's a great racquet.
     
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  22. Nor'easter

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    I recently switched from using a Prince EXO 3 Black to the Juice 100. Although I enjoyed the Black, I found that as I got older the 328 SW became too cumbersome. I too am a 50 y/o 4.0. I use a modified eastern FH grip and 2 handed BH. My serves and my FH are my strenghts. The static weight of both racquets is about the same (11.3 oz strung). However, I found that my timing with groundies and serves became much better with the Juice because of it's relatively low SW (314). The maneuverability is excellent. It seems like I can knife through the ball on both FH and BH slices. I bought two of them and strung one up with BHBR 17 G @ 58~the spin is insane with that setup. The other is strung with LXN Savage Lime @ 58. I think I prefer the Savage as I get more power and stick on my volleys and am able to slice like never before. You mentioned that you play with an old AeroPro. Isn't the swingweight quite high, like 330? I would think that your timing would improve with the Juice, although you may not get the same plow through because of the lower swingweight. I found that there is ample power and plow with the Juice and am extremely happy with my new sticks as they seem to suit my game.
     
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  23. Limpinhitter

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    You wrote AeroPro and I think he confused it for the (Wilson) Pro Open which is Wilson's answer to the Pure Drive. The old Wilson (K)obra Tour was Wilson's answer to the AeroPro.
     
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  24. tistrapukcipeht

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    Quit lying man, you have not demoed this racquet! Just state the truth, it is ok to be wrong sometimes, but I know you know it all and you're never wrong.

    Sales rep didn't tell you that, you are again just making up stuff, sales representatives (they represent companies) work for companies, Babolat, Wilson... sales associate work for a shop, no sales associate or shop manager would hand you a racquet and say: "who will not be carrying the stick anymore due to poor sales" they want to sell whatever they have.

    Sales have nothing to do with better products and quality products, actually the ones the sell less are probably better than the ones that sell more, in this case it is, your arguments and lies trying to prove your point are just redundant and out of line.

    But you are right about everything, you know more than all. Trying to catechize people and preach Babolat to everyone is a good effort, I admire your passion for Babolat. Congratulations :)
     
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  25. NetNinja68

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    The Juice is a very solid stick and and for many so is the PD. there are small differences but when strung identically, they play pretty similar. For some reason many people prefer a certain brand based on popularity, paint or player(s) using, which tends to elevate their confidence and positively impact their performance on court. I currently own both sticks and about a dozen other player frames which I switch out on a regular basis. I'll bet many of you guys have hit with your primary racquet and walked away from the court thinking this is the greatest stick ever made only to hit with it the following week and want to smash it into a thousand peices?
     
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    It's obvious that something is drawing you to the Juice and lead added at 3&9will increase the stabitity and power. I felt the same as you but after adding lead and a hybrid string set up, the racquet was awesome! Get a demo, add a little lead (leave loose enough so it can be removed without damaging the paint) and give it another try. Strings will work wonders as well. My wife hits with the Juice and loves it after customization. Initally, she liked it but loved the paintjob. Wilson designed the Juice's balance to make it a very customizable tweener. I think the Pro Open is better than both of them but's that's just my opinion.
     
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    FYI, she complained that the Juice was underpowered and wanted to make it less underpowered; i.e., she wants it to be more powerful. Hence, her question about adding lead tape.
     
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    Nor'easter - great to hear you have had success with almost the exact same setup as me. I really enjoy the racquet with the Savage..I swear I was smiling for hours the first couple of days I used it. It was *that* fun to play with. I agree on the swingweight.. although I am 33 years old (almost 34 now) I enjoy a headlight balanced racquet as it really complements my game.
     
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    She is most likely using the wrong strings. The Juice is a *VERY* powerful racquet, to say the least.
     
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    Hey Cindy,

    Aside from all the post wars going on here's my opinion.

    Get a pair of the Pure Drives and be done with it. There's really no need for you to go into the world of slightly modding specs to make it play similar to something else. If you are happy with what you have in the PD, and it provides you with consistent winning results, that's the stick for you. You don't need a stick that is forcing you to be indecisive, especially when you are playing a heavy schedule such as your self! :)

    -Fuji
     
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    You're not going to know until you buy it, put your normal strings on it, and tweak it to your liking. It takes me 3 months to a year to figure out how a racket plays best, changing string combo's and lead placement/amount.

    It's going to take you a while to figure out how to use the Juice, because you'll have to change your stroke mechanics...probably more loopy topspin shots. Your shots are going long because it's a powerful frame so you have to change how you strike the ball.
     
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    I would agree with Fuji. She has been playing the same sticks for years and uses a great string setup which IMO is a good thing. Don't mess too much with a good thing.
     
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    I tell you what- that Hybrid grip that comes on the Wilson Juice SUCKS. Plain and simple. It was a big part of the reason I kept launching my forehands long. I took one of the Gamma Hi-Tech grips off my Black and put it on there and it's like buttah. Increased the grip size a touch, but that is good since I went down to a 3/8.

    This racquet should be illegal.
     
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    Tried both again yesterday and can say with confidence that the Juice is a better all around racquet. My friend plays with the PD12 and agreed as well, although I'm sure there are some that may disagree...
     
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    How much lead did you add and where? What string and tension are you using?
     
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    Bump!

    Ok I am ready too spend done coin own new racquets. I needed too demo again. Is there anything I should try others than the pure drive?
     
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    wait for the new steam
     
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    Steam or Dunlop 500's, either standard for 10 oz or Tour for 11.
     
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    Cindy you need to try the Yonex Ezone xi 100. My girlfirend and I demoed all of these racquets over the summer (I even bought the Juice because it was such a fun stick) and we both liked the Yonex much more than the Pure Drive '12 or the Juice. The Ezone has all of the positive attributes of the other sticks, but is far and away more comfortable to hit with. You'll love it -
     
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    What strings/tensions are you all doing on your J100s?
     
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  42. Bmr

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    String higher tension due to power of racquet. Around 60 with poly. Have used Luxilon Savage, Gosen Polyquest and BHB7 so far.
     
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