PV Audio's Playtest Thread

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  1. pvaudio

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    WeissCANNON Turbotwist 1.18 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch

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    Stringing: For all of these reviews with gut crosses, I'll just focus on the poly. The Turbotwist was actually the easiest to string up in the mains by far. It had little to no coil memory, and even though it was on a reel, that is still an issue for some strings (as I'll discuss later). Nonetheless, TT has an interesting greasy coating to it which I'm not sure about. I'm not sure if it's there to give more spin, or is just a byproduct of the manufacturing. Either way, it's annoying to have that grease on your hands when you're about to string up gut. I purposely used the coated gut with this string for that reason. All in all, an easy poly to string. Having played a fullbed (but at a high tension which ruined the string), I can tell you that it's not too difficult to weave in the crosses either. Strung 53/55, 10% machine prestretch on gut.

    Groundstrokes: Did someone say power? This string simply has HUGE pop to it. I mean, I'm using all of these strings with gut crosses to increase the feel, but some just don't have a lot of oomph. No problem here. However, there is a caveat. If you do not use a modern topspin stroke, then this is not the string for you. You need to be able to generate spin yourself for this to be of any use to you. On the forehand wing, this string was easily the best of all the ones that I tried. I hit my FH with a lot of topspin, and even I could see my shots kicking off the court. My coach even said that (not having told him that the white string isn't Scorpion) my shots were coming back incredibly heavy. On the BH side, however, I don't use as much spin for my normal shots. There is still an above average amount, but the shots come in closer to the top of the net. My BH is, ironically, my more consistent stroke, so the increase in power off this wing was unnecessary and made passing shots harder (without question my absolute favorite shot is a 1HBH passing shot). Overall: 9/10

    Serves: This is a great string for big servers because of the power that it produces. Even though my serve is messy at the moment while trying to solidify my new motion, first and second serves were still laughably easy to get pace on. This is really useful on second serves because the string creates quite a lot of spin, so having that extra power gives you a deadlier shot. Be warned: if you do NOT have a spin second serve, you will be DF'ing long quite often. If you do, however, you'll love it. Overall: 9/10

    Volleys: Yikes. Not the area for this string. When you're at the net, you don't need huge power or huge spin. What you need is a great amount of feel to be able to hit touch shots. While slices from the baseline come in fast and low, pretty much every volley ever hit is either flat or with backspin. That's a problem when you're up past the service line. You will be putting a lot of volleys wide or deep simply because you don't expect the return shot to have so much pace. Unlike other WC strings, you don't get much feedback either. If I were a doubles player, I wouldn't even consider this offering. Overall: 7/10

    Durability:
    Very good. Gut shows minimal fraying in the center of the stringbed. Far less fraying than any string thus far which I attribute to it having a very slippery coating allowing it not to shave the gut down. In this gauge, if you hit with a lot of spin, I'd guess your crosses will break first. However, if you hit flat, this is a very thin string, so notching is a very real possibility. No signs whatsoever of the string going dead, and the stringbed feel is entirely linear. Very average for WC...so pretty much flawless. Overall: 9.5/10

    It's hard to be disappointed with this string because it does exactly what it advertises: great power and great spin. With that in mind, you MUST have a modern stroke. If you don't hit with much spin, stay away because this string will not make it for you. However, much like Tour Bite, it is ideal for baseliners who want to dictate the point using deep, heavy balls from both wings. Stay away from the net if you can, but if you can't, you better whip the snot out of your approach shot to make sure it doesn't fly long on you. Overall, a good offering, but it gets a 4th place for WC with my ranking going Scorpion, B5E, Silverstring, and then Turbotwist. It's worth a try, however. :)

    Followup:
    So, I'm starting my followup reviews with the first of the bunch. This setup is 100% linear. It is playing as all WeissCANNON string setups that I've used play: just as the day it was strung. Tension has not dropped, poly is nowhere near dead and the feel is exactly the same. Still, I don't prefer it to other WC polys, but if power is what you're after with outstanding tension stability, then this is definitely the string for you. I, however, am not after a super powerful string, so it's not for me. I still do, however, recommend trying it if you're looking for a soft poly with good spin and immense power. :)

    Overall: 8.5/10
     
  2. pvaudio

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    Signum Pro Hyperion 1.24 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro

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    Stringing: Stringing this in the mains really reminded me of Tornado. In the hand it has nearly exactly the same feel: incredibly supple and absolutely ZERO kinking or coil memory. Doesn't get clamp marks unlike Tornado (which I'm assuming is simply a function of it not being shaped), and was by far the softest feeling string I've strung to date. I'd have to string up some Scorpion again to see if they're similar in stringing feel, but since I haven't strung any Scorpion in a while, this just feel soft without having even hit with it. No problems whatsoever. Strung 53/55, 10% machine prestretch on gut.

    Groundstrokes: This is a curious string, to be frank. I've heard all of these reports of Hyperion being like a down blanket, and honestly, I didn't get that at all. It's a very comfortable string to hit with, there is no denying that, but it's not even as soft as Scorpion. As far as comfort is concerned, I really was expecting better (especially considering I crossed it with natural gut...). Aside from that, this just feels like a generic poly to me. It's not too powerful, it doesn't produce above average spin and has about average control. Off the forehand, this just didn't wow me in any way. There wasn't insane angle potential like there is with other spin strings, and on the backhand, I couldn't rip a shot DTL like someone stole my wallet. Frankly, it's just average. Overall: 7/10

    Serves: More of the same, I'm afraid. There is nothing special here. Honestly, I'd like to go into detail about this, but Hyperion just feels like an all around good poly string. Overall: 8/10

    Volleys: At this point I'm really struggling to find anything spectacular to write about Hyperion and the volleys aren't going to be the category to do it. It just feels like a poly string with good feel added by the gut. Seriously, this is just average across the board. Overall: 7/10

    Durability: This is any Signum Pro string's party piece: tension stability. Seeing as it hasn't yet been the normal 852 years that it takes for a Signum Pro string to start to lose tension, I can't say that it's going to be anything but perfect. It did shred the gut the most of any strings tested in this round. However, it was the only string crossed with uncoated gut, so I'll attribute it to that. Overall: 10/10

    I can't honestly call this string a let down. I don't have arm problems, I don't need a string to generate power for me, I've stopped looking for the ultimate spin monster and I don't need a string to help out any particular part of my game whether it be to complement it or supplement it. For me, Hyperion is simply just a good poly string. Nothing bad about it in the slightest, but not spectacular. Would I recommend it? Sure, only on the basis that I use a 90sq in frame and don't require a super soft string since my arm is healthy. Maybe someone who has arm problems and uses a larger racquet or one with a closed string pattern. Maybe it's better as a cross poly. Who knows? I certainly don't and moreover have no qualms about admitting it :)

    Followup: As mentioned previously, there was a letdown out of the four. This is it. The poly doesn't feel dead at all, it's still got its tension like all Signum Pro strings. However, this is playing like absolute wood. I mean, I kept looking down at my racquet thinking that I'd somehow mis-strung it or the strings were glued together. It's creating plenty of spin as the crosses are getting absolutely shredded, but it doesn't matter. There isn't any feel, and what power there is seems as though you have to work so hard for it. This does NOT feel soft like I was expecting it to. Unfortunately, I cut out my Hyperion full bed already, but quite frankly, a natural gut hybrid should play softer than a fullbed of the same poly. Never before have I had this experience. I'll have to try this again later because I simply cannot believe that this string is so awful as its life goes on.

    Updated Overall: 7/10
     
  3. pvaudio

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    Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough 17g / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch

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    Stringing: As stated in the TurboTwist portion, this was more difficult. I've strung many textured poly strings: geared ones, shaped ones, extruded ones and twisted ones. BHBR is of the twisted type. This string has just stupid coil memory and is very prone to kinking. I honestly cannot imagine untangling it from a single packet since it put up such a fight coming off of a reel. By far the most difficult poly I've used in this thread. Doesn't hold a candle to any of the ALU strings, but compared to BHB, it's ridiculous. Strung 53/55, 10% machine prestretch on gut.

    Groundstrokes:
    Ah, finally time to review the forum's hype string of the moment, so I'll spend quite a bit of time on this one. If it were any other color, you wouldn't be able to tell it apart from Tornado or Cyber Twirl visually. However, when hitting, you can. Let me get this out of the way immediately: I do not tend to buy into hyper profiled strings offering great spin. This string, however, does not fall into that category after all. It's profiled, yes, but not nearly as much as some of the others.

    Now, onto the review. Those of you who have played with BHB will be disappointed as this does not play anything like it. As I stated briefly earlier, this string gives you great spin potential, BUT, it is NOT anything spectacular. This is no holy grail string, in my opinion. Power is not an issue; I would put it at average for polys. Spin is indeed above average, but I wholeheartedly disagree with the RSI's claim of it being the be all end all of spin strings. Not even close. It is relatively comfortable from the baseline though, and has a very unique crispness to it that reminds me of Silverstring, but with more spin albeit less control.

    On the FH side, shotmaking is a breeze. You won't be pulling off any impossible feats, but the string has good feel and lets you have confidence in swinging out. On the BH side....:D Without question, this was my favorite string to date for hitting my backhand with. The sound that this thing makes rivals that of Tour Bite. If you make solid contact, you will swear a gun went off. The ball comes in incredibly heavy which is very academic because I hit with more spin on my forehand, but more power on my 1HBH. I guess something this string lends itself to my 1HBH perfectly. Slices are very easy to control, and if you Steffi Graf it and step really hard into the ball, you'll hit a great shot pretty much every time. Overall: 9.5/10

    Serves: Mediocre at best. My serve is my favorite stroke since I've worked the hardest on it, and there is absolutely nothing about this string that blew me away. Hitting flat serves is really only its strong point because it sounds a lot bigger than it is. Second serves don't kick up as much as you might expect and slices aren't deadly like some people seem to think. Now, I've been told that I've got a fairly mean slice serve, and this string did nothing to make it furious, so to speak. Still, it's controllable, but doesn't take anything to the next level. Overall: 8/10

    Volleys: Now, this is interesting to talk about because BHBR doesn't really have much feel at the net, but it does feel very lively. As I said in the groundstrokes section, it has this strange ability to take an incoming ball and let you do what you want with it as far as power is concerned. As far as control, not so much. You don't get that much directional control compared to some of the other strings I've played with, and touch shots are simply average. It's not an overpowered string, so you won't be blasting things long or wide like with Turbotwist, but you won't be Sampras or Rafter up there. Overall: 8.5/10

    Durability: Being textured, this didn't really rip the gut apart like I was expecting it to. Honestly, throughout the past 30+ pages of playtesting, I've found that the smooth polys do more damage, and hence are displacing more than anything textured. Tourna strings tend to be very durable, but hold tension just averagely. Time would have to tell, so I'll keep this one in my bag to see how it progresses. Overall: 9/10

    Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's that. I didn't find Jesus descending from the rafters and guiding my shots around two courts like some people think that they experience with this stuff. Would I use it again? No, but that's just because I've found better offerings for me. Would I recommend it to others? Absolutely, since it's good stuff and everyone deserves to see if it's the holy grail for them. For me? Nothing extraordinary. It is, honestly, just a very good string, but nothing that makes you want to jump and shout about. At least, I don't want to. Then again, I'd look like a complete prat if I did that and wasn't a pro player.

    Followup: Surprise number 1! Now, I cannot say that I am too keen on this attribute, but let me say this: this setup is NOT linear. When I first played with it, I had let the tension settle for a day or so, so it wasn't like I hit with it freshly strung. Nonetheless, it just didn't wow me at all. Now, however, MY GOD. Same racquet, same me, same balls, same court, just a few hours later, and this has completely transformed. Now, I get it. Now I understand why the RSI raved about this stuff. Now I understand why people on here are hyped over it. This blue string is PHENOMENAL.

    I hit with my coach today, and started the day using Cyclone (more on that in the next post, so I won't reveal my findings here). The night before, I had served with the BHBR setup and found it somehow better than I had the first time. When hitting though, oh my goodness. This string is so good because it does NOT stand out in any area. It's like Scorpion and B5E, IMO: it's just great at everything. It's not stiff (albeit this is a gut hybrid and the full bed has since been cut out....STUPIDLY), has just the right amount of power, has great spin, has great feel and just superb comfort. When I started hitting with this racquet, my coach even remarked that I was hitting the heaviest shots he'd ever seen me hit. I could even see my topspin shots NOT looping, but just penetrating into the court a few feet over the net and sticking into the court and kicking away without sitting up. Slices were coming in with the same trajectory, but just skidding at impact.

    The star shot, however, was the serve. I don't hit a flat serve hardly ever anymore since I don't find it as effective as one with good action. I was serving normally and even I could see the ball dancing in the air after it hit the ground. I don't hit kick serves due to my shoulder, so I can't comment on that, but when I flattened it out, the pace was just there. No fuss, just a great string all around. I will definitely string this bad boy up in a full bed and see how it plays after awhile.

    Why the playability has changed, I don't know, b ut I do need to find out. I will string lower next time around and see if it wants a lower tension than what I originally gave it. Rarely am I ever surprised at the shots that I hit, but with this, I honestly have to say that I was smiling. This blue goodness made me look better than I am. :)

    Updated Overall: 9.5/10
     
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  4. pvaudio

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    Stringing: An interesting feeling string in the hand. It doesn't feel like any other black poly, and although it's a geared string, you can't really tell. Stringing Blue Gear is only annoying because it's very stiff. I would say that this string is about as stiff as Genesis SpinX (albeit with less kinking) or Black Magic (albeit while still being able to feel the texture). In the crosses, however, it reminded me why I don't like full poly. Now, I string full poly incredibly often for my customers. I've yet to even use Cyclone and it reminded me almost exactly of the first time I strung Babolat PHT. It's just annoying. It's not supple enough for me to weave at a constant speed across the stringbed like other polys i.e. Silverstring, Scorpion, Spiky Shark, Mosquito Bite, Pro Red Code. It doesn't kink or have bad coil memory, but it just feels incredibly plasticky which makes it more difficult for me. Now, keep in mind I do not push or pull weave. I use a modified sewing motion where I pass the string between my hands above and below the stringbed (hands are too sweaty and I can still string a racquet in 25 minutes on average, so not a disadvantage), so having a supple string makes it much either. I can only imagine that pushing or pulling the cross string would be tough since you're pulling across a geared string. We'll see how it goes, but I've woven polys that are easier than some multis (Scorpion, B5E, Pro Line 2, Big Ace Micro). Strung 53/53, no prestretch of any form.

    Groundstrokes: This string...wow. This is the shocker of the four. I honestly expected nothing from this. It doesn't cost much, isn't particularly well known, and makes no boasts or claims whatsoever. However, this is by far and away the best of the four tested here. My God. Forehand, backhand, return of serve, slice, EVERYTHING was simply OUTSTANDING. I have never been more blown away by a string simply on the basis that I expected the least out of this. It's soft on the arm, gives great control, and I haven't even gotten to the best part yet. This string is poly, and you will NOT forget that as soon as you mishit. It vibrates like any poly does when you don't get it in the sweetspot. Off the forehand, this is the one you've come to see. You can roll shots whereever you want them, and I mean whereever you want them. The spin that this thing can create is magical. It's not like the ball is being shredded, it's just that you can make such a heavy ball from such little effort. The power of this setup was honestly as powerful as the Hyperion/gut hybrid. Yes, I said it: a gut hybrid is as powerful as this, and yet Cyclone has more of everything. On my backhand, AHHHH!!!! Passing shots, rally shots, approach shots, everything is just what you are wanting. The sound as well is simply glorious: it doesn't boom like Tour Bite and BHBR, but cracks like a broken string every time. It's an intoxicating sound which makes you want to hit dead on the sweetspot just to hear it again. This feels like a combination of Scorpion's power with B5E's control.

    I was doing a serve return drill with my coach today, and he was working me across the court when I was using the Cyclone. He pulled me wide on the BH, and I skidded a slice back DTL, about 4ft away from the line. He got to it, and having recovered to the middle, tried to hit it behind me. I just stepped into the ball, and rolled that sucker into the corner of the service box for a perfect passing shot. He said this, and I quote: "That's the best shot you've hit all night!" That may not sound like a big deal, but it was the last shot I hit in the lesson, and I was playing through 3 blisters. It really even made me go like....damn! Supreme control: no other word(s) for it.

    At the baseline, this is without a shadow of a doubt the best string tested in this entire thread. By far. Now some of you are saying "well, you're using hybrids and this is a full bed!" Let me remind you that every single string that I own, and as a few of you (you know who you are :) ) can attest, I known a lot of strings, but every single one of them I do try in a full bed. That includes everything tested in this thread. Up until now, I've preferred the hybrid version of everything tested here. This, in a full bed, is just as good from the baseline as any gut hybrid thus far. I didn't think I would be able to do this having used Scorpion, but: Overall: 10/10

    Serves: There isn't anything special about this string from a serving standpoint. It doesn't shine in any area. It honestly feels a lot like Silverstring, but with more power and spin. It's a unique combination for sure, but definitely not close to Scorpion or Silverstring. Overall: 8/10

    Volleys:
    Here it comes again! Cyclone is a dream at the net. It's soft enough that you get great feel for a poly. I would not say that it's a top 5 poly for feel or touch, but if you get pulled into the net, you will have zero problems whatsoever. So, I give my rating based on this being a full poly stringbed. Overall: 9/10

    Durability: Truth be told, I have never used a Volkl string before in my life. I've never used a Volkl anything, for that matter. So, I honestly cannot report on what it's like from tension or durability standpoints. Along with BHBR, I'll leave this one in my bag. Overall: Too Early to Tell

    Wow, what a surprise. This string is simply magic. I understand the reviews now of people saying "How can they offer this string for so little money?" and "This plays better than strings twice the price". I agree entirely. This will be in my next round of testing with a gut cross without a shadow of a doubt. Whoever recommended that I try this string: thank you, thank you so much. I am completely blown away, and having tried so many strings, that has only happened twice thus far: Scorpion and B5E. I can add a 3rd to that list now. I recommend it to EVERYONE. If you have arm problems, cross it with something soft, but it honestly is not harsh or stiff in the slightest. This is truly a special string. Not special for the price, but special full stock. Volkl, please do not go out of business because you've created what I am going to openly state as the sleeper of the string world.


    Followup: Surprise number two, and there's no exclamation point here. I have never been more taken aback by a string in my entire life. This stuff honestly made me gasp when I hit with it again today. The power is still there. The addictive sound is still there. Everything else? Gone. Spin? I guess, but it doesn't matter. Control? Again maybe, but it doesn't matter. Tension? What's that? This poly has the worst tension maintenance of anything I've ever used. To be quite honest, this would give RPM Blast a run for its money as the string most likely to infuriate you when you go to use it after a few hours time. At first, this stuff played like Zeus was in the hoop of my racquet throwing thunderbolts in the form of tennis balls. Now, it feels like there is a trampoline there.

    I honestly can remember maybe 4 balls being satisfactory out of nearly half of a basket. I had to change my stroke to just keep it in. I switched to the BHBR, went back to my normal stroke and was just fine. Same stroke, same me, same racquet, same balls, and this stuff was just garbage. The strings are moving around all over the place and this is only the THIRD time I've used this. I was hitting balls into the curtain off of both wings. Serves were landing long, volleys were at the grace of the chaos theory and touch shots? Not possible. You try to hit a drop shot, and you'll end up with some floating crap that your opponent will laugh at. If you've got a dialed in game, then you'll probably end up having to change it once you get past the 4 hour mark with this stuff.

    Honestly, I don't know if I'm even going to bother testing this as a hybrid in any form. No other string has gone to **** so quickly, especially after having been so spectacular. So, to those out there looking at this: yes, it does play incredibly well. However, if you want to be happy, cut it out after every match and restring. I can't honestly recommend this to anyone since it just doesn't last. This is the holiday romance of the string world.

    Updated Overall: 7/10
     
  5. finalfantasy7

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    PV - doesnt it affect your game consistantly changing string setups, just curious
     
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    So it's scorpion vs bhbr for number 1 or? Also do you think someone would objectively say theses strings are best for you. As in you scored the scorpion hybrid higher but your coach said you hit heavier shots with the bhbr hybrid. I have a similar thing, even though i can play better with certain strings for some reason i don't feel as good when playing with them which is quite illogical. Have you had something similar happen?
     
  7. pvaudio

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    No, not really. As much as I like them, strings don't make enough of a difference at this level. Whatever my go-to string is at the time, I always make sure to have it on hand to actually hit with. So far, that's only been 3 strings: Genesis SpinX full bed, WC Silverstring full bed and now Scorpion/Whispertouch. If I have to change my stroke to hit the ball the way that I want to, then the string goes back in the bag. :)
     
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    I don't know, it's still too early to tell. The fact that BHBR changed its character to suddenly is shocking, while Scorpion was flawless for me from day 1. If BHBR can keep its tension and playability and be like that from the get go, then it'd be a competition. Otherwise, Scorpion has yet to be ousted. :)

    And again, it's too early to tell. I play my best tennis, IMO with Scorpion. BHBR just came alive yesterday and I was hitting some serious stuff with it. I actually liked it more than Scorp. The problem is, I don't know if that's its sweet spot, or if it will always be like that. The fact that I hated it for the first few hours then loved it for the next few makes me wary. I think up next is a head to head between BHBR hybrid and Scorpion hybrid until each stringbed breaks. Only then can I say which is superior. Scorpion still plays like a dream well after the poly is dead. Can't say so for BHBR since it's not dead yet. :)
     
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    The reason why I'm so hesitant to crown it is X-1 Biphase has a similar track record: garbage at first, then magic. Then, unfortunately, X-1 becomes a rocket launcher like Cyclone now is. I'm just hoping the BHBR doesn't do that. :)
     
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    That is the downside of trying out a different string setup everytime on the court. :neutral: Perhaps I should buy 7 more rackets so I have as many as PV. :)

    PV, you mentioned that you have stopped looking for the ultimate spin monster string. Is that because you already found it (if so please state) or because most polys give you very good spin anyways?
     
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    ^^^One of the many benefits of playing with a discontinued racquet: when you find them, you buy them in bulk :D

    Indeed I think that I have, and because most poly is good enough if you can generate it. I think that the two best spin producers on the market are Tour Bite 16L, Tour Bite 18 and Spiky Shark 1.25. Nothing else for me has created so much spin. Spiky Shark, however, produces so much spin that it can cause your shots to float a bit more than you expect. The ball dives in earlier than you want it to unlike with other strings like Scorpion, Turbotwist, B5E, Cyclone, Big Ace Micro and MSV Hex which let the ball drop in when you need it to. Tour Bite, on the other hand, creates the type of spin that BHBR does. It's a very heavy, penetrating spin which is very impressive to watch. The problem with Tour Bite is that it doesn't last but a fortnight, holds tension like a sieve and isn't very comfortable. With Scorpion, if you create more RHS, you get more spin. BHBR is similar to Tour Bite, but generates the spin like Scorp does: there if you want it, not so much if you don't. It's not as versatile as Scorpion though, so it is still more of a baseliner's string. :)
     
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    Cool, keep us posted. How many hours were logged during your first and second sessions? Some in the BHBR thread note that the string is at it's best in the first few hours, so I'm curious how your experience compares. Plus, I do prefer a string that plays great right off the stringer. For me, that's Energy in hours 1-5. When I tried Scorpion full bed, it was good (not great) in hours 1-2, then awesome during hours 2-4. It's been resting ever since ;). Although soft, it was not as soft as I like, so I settled on Energy and was happy....

    And right when I decided to settle on my string setup... here I am debating whether I should string up some Scorp/gut and BHBR/gut this weekend... LOL (I blame Kcraig also, as I am curious if my Toughgut here is "copper" or the original "natural")... ok, now I am referencing too many threads at once. :D
     
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    Now I have to ask the question...wait for it...wait for it...

    How soft is Tour Bite? Say really soft and buttery. Say it! :)
     
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    It was about 2.5hrs for it to turn into magic. I had read that it was best in the first 2 hours. Not so for me. It's seemed to peak right now. I'm just hoping it doesn't tank like some polys do. :)
     
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    It's soft and buttery! There, I said it. :)

    Unfortunately, no, it isn't :(
     
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    When I first hit with the PST, it had a Tour Bite/Vanquish hybrid. This is when I was just easing back into tennis just hitting ground strokes. That hybrid did not bother my elbow back then, so I may try it again. At that time, I heeded the "cut the poly out" mentality so I could play tennis again and cut it out right after I bought the racket.
     
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    Man i think my arm is retarded. I find certain strings to feel stiff that others say are soft and vice versa. For me tour bite was really soft, about the only string i found soft in the particular racquet i was using at the time. I found scorpion to be stiffer than silverstring also, i have to figure out what the hell is going on. The only thing was tour bite's tension maintenance sucked pretty bad while both the WC were awesome in that respect, though they were awesome across the board.
     
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  18. Bahama Scott

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    PV, I want to try this setup- WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Natural Gut in one of my Babloat Aero 112’s. I am trying to figure out how to translate tensions you are using, as close as possible, and retain as many of the performance traits you are finding (touch, feel and spin).

    Back on 11/23/10 you first used a tension of 56.5 / 58.5. Then on 3/10/11 you were using 53/55.

    If I substitute Babolat for the Whisper (‘Im sure my stringer can’t/won’t order it):
    1. What tensions would be your best guess?
    2. What gauge VS would you recommend?
     
  19. pvaudio

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    VS Team 17, and I would go up a pound maybe on the crosses. VS is just slightly softer than PMAXX. :)
     
  20. Bahama Scott

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    OK, great but which setup?
    Back on 11/23/10 you first used a tension of 56.5 / 58.5. Then on 3/10/11 you were using 53/55. :???:
     
  21. pvaudio

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    Oh, my fault. I'd do 53/56.5 :)
     
  22. Bahama Scott

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    Thanks. My Aero 112 with vs17 and RPM has left the building so it is time to try something new and really excited :shock: to see how this will perform. Will report next week.
     
  23. Boricua

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    What is your favorite soft copoly, multifilament and gut string in a full set, not considering cost?:):)
     
  24. hoodjem

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    PVAudio,

    In your subjective opinion, what is the softest poly you have tried?

    Thanks much,
    Hoodjem
     
  25. pvaudio

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    Polystar Turbo is really quite soft, IMO. Scorpion is not far behind it, however. Interestingly, Pro Red Code strung even very high is still comfy. :)
     
  26. hoodjem

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    Thanks much.

    Is B5E also softish?
     
  27. pvaudio

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    B5E is indeed very soft, but in a very unique way. It's the most unique feeling poly I've ever tried, and I see that you decided to test out my setup :)
     
  28. dadozen

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    PV, what would you recommend to a client who came to string the racquet with you and asked:

    "I want a WeissCANNON string that gives me outsanding feel, high level of control, nice bite and enough comfort, in that order."

    Scorpion 1.22 or B5E? By the way, he wants his racquet strung @ 39lbs:)

    I'm a long time Scorpion 1.22 user, but I need something with more bite, and better feel. Do you think that B5E would fit me?

    I'm also planning to try several other polys, but I'm betting my cash on B5E and PF Black Venom 1.25( or maybe 1.20 - I love the thin ones ).

    Thanks!
     
  29. Bahama Scott

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    I am new to this and just starting to experiment so this question would be better addressed to PV.

    I have used 2 hybrids in these rackets. Bab VS with RPM and it has really fallen off on spin. The other was a V Fuse hybrid that played about equally well. Im just not crazy about the performance of either they are both rocketing shots and it is really difficult to reign in the power.

    I am having them both restrung. One with full gut VS 17 I think I requested 58 and the other racket will be M: 53 lbs WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
    X: 56.5 lbs Babolat VS Nat Gut 17

    My third racket is the Aeropro Drive GT and with VS17. Serving is good but everything else especially control and touch and feel are pure dope. What I am giving up on serving I make up with control.

    All of you experienced guys already know this but perhaps some of the newer club level players with find the info useful. I will report back on the performance of the other 2 next week.
     
  30. hoodjem

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    I finally found the B5E/ Performaxx review--post no. 262.

    PVA,

    Any chance you could do a "table of contents" for this thread?

    You could do an edit on post no. 1 right after "Dampener: #64 rubberband", then list the strings and the particular number of the post. Whaddya say?

    That way when we want to look up a particular one of your excellent reviews, we don't have to go digging for 30 minutes.
     
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  31. pvaudio

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    I think I can do that later tonight :)
     
  32. pvaudio

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    Honestly, the B5E will give you more bite, but it will also give you less feel. I guess that's the trade off :)
     
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    String update: BHBR has followed in the steps of BHB. It's gone dead already. Still, I was hitting some great shots with it tonight, but it's dead. So nope, Scorpion is still the king since it lasts so much longer. :)

    I just got so fed up with the feel of the Hyperion that I cut it out on court even though it was so close to breaking. The Turbotwist isn't dead, but it's still way too launchy without enough feel. So yep, final verdict:

    1. WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22
    2. WeissCANNON B5E
    3. Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough

    :)
     
  34. mikeler

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    Are these your top 3 for all time? I'm digging B5E so Scorpion will have to get added to my "must try" list.

    I give you full trademark rights to rank and hyperlink all your reviews like post #1 of Mikeler's Multis. :) The rankings cause a lot of controversy which can be fun.
     
  35. pvaudio

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    Yessir, top 3 of all time! :)
     
  36. fgs

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    in my 40+ years of playing tennis i have made several top 3 of all times lists and then i had to agree that it was the top 3 till next time:)
    hope you don't get me wrong, i'm sure these strings are very good (i haven't played any weiss-cannon so far and the bhb rough is soon to be tested - liked the regular bh silver quite a lot), but sometime there will be some strings hitting the market which you might like more, and then it's "next time".
     
  37. Bahama Scott

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    But PV did'nt you say that the B5E completely died the second time you played with it?
     
  38. pvaudio

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    Absolutely not! That was the Cyclone you're thinking of. Scorpion and B5E both take forever to die, and in Scorpion's case, when it's in a gut hybrid, then it's still all peachy :)
     
  39. pvaudio

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    This, my friend, is inevitable. :)

    However, I should point out that since I've been playing tennis (which honestly isn't nearly as long as yourself :) ), there have only been 4 strings which I would consider to be flat out outstanding: Technifibre NRG2 18, Babolat Pro Hurricane 18, WeissCANNON Silverstring, and WeissCANNON Scorpion. Interestingly enough, that is also the order in which I tried them. The NRG2 I played with for the most: all of high school just about and into college when I switched to Pro Hurricane. I had been trying the PH throughout high school and absolutely loved it, but I still couldn't break away from what I'd known for so long: NRG2. I switched to the PH because I was hitting harder, using more spin and not bombing serves all the time.

    Once I started stringing, I started buying and testing only God knows how many strings. I stumbled upon this company called WeissCANNON, tried their flagship, and then Silverstring became my go-to string. Although I switched from it to SpinX, SS is still the only one I'll revisit. After the SpinX, I started this thread and found Scorpion.

    So I guess the point of this is that there have been 4 strings which I still hold in the highest regard, two of which are made by the same company. I'm therefore expecting whatever displaces or even replaces my current list to be an offering from WC as well. Their strings just last so long, and so many have fit my game quite well.

    Don't get me wrong: BHBR is very good, but to me that's an "of the moment" type string just like RPM, Barb Wire, and Tornado. There are then those strings that just have been around forever and people continue to rave about: PH, Scorpion, NRG2, Silverstring, ALU, Maxim Touch, Gosen OGSM, VS gut. They're the ones where when you decide to equate newer as better, people get upset. Pro Supex definitely found that out, and Babolat is finding that out now with their "better" VS.

    Sorry for the novel :)
     
  40. hoodjem

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    Thank you very much.

    I look forward to the even greater usefulness of an already top-notch thread because of it.
     
  41. Murray_fan1

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    So now we have the top 3 in a hybrid set up, we should find out if the same poly's hold true in a full bed. Can I suggest we do B5E, Scorpion, BHBR full bed?

    Also PV have you tried out Black Venom yet?
     
  42. pvaudio

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    I have not tried the Black Venom yet :)
     
  43. pvaudio

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    And yes, as I said before and should have said a long while ago, the reviews with the same cross are about my thoughts of the poly. I test the full bed and hybrids simultaneously unless asked for otherwise i.e. gut mains, B5E crosses. My feelings on all the strings thus far have been a combination of the full bed and hybrid, but I post the review of the hybrid since it's what I end up playing with. :)
     
  44. pvaudio

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    Oh, and most importantly: Although my AG100 count is in the teens, I only carry 4 in my bag at a time. Therefore, and since I'm really trying to get my level up, from now on 3 will be strung with my go-to setup and the other will be the playtest racquet. In other words, playtests will now be one at a time. :)
     
  45. Boricua

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    1-How do Scorpion and B5E compare to Babolat Revenge?

    2-What string do you use as a cross with soft copolys mains?

    3- If youve tried it, what do you think of Solinco Revolution?
    :)
     
  46. mikeler

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    What is the go to setup?
     
  47. pvaudio

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    Scorp/gut :)

    Just have to get in contact with Mr. Schwacke and get some more WT. :)
     
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    pv ^^^ email me through my profile if you are interested in unloading some of your Polystar Energy 1.20 for a set of Genesis 1.20 gut. If it works for you, you could end up with a more reliable source of gut? It could even be the same manufacturer? Also, it comes from your web-source that awards points...
     
  49. Eightmarky

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    PV,

    Because of your playtests, I'm going to try separately Scorpion and BHBR as mains in a hybrid setup. What would you suggest as a good affordable cross (other than WT because they will be going up in price) string? I saw someone mention OGSM16 but would I be wasting these strings on a setup with those? I play with a BLX 95 18x20 and would want the crosses to add a little pop. Also, what tension would you suggest for an all court game. I hit an EFH and 2HBH and play a lot of dubs. Thanks.

    8
     
  50. dadozen

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    Wow PV, how many AG100s do you have?
     

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