PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. mctennis

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    I'm not sure how the new VS plays with the new coating ( BT7). I know when Babolat switched to their other new coating from the basic less powder coated string ( a promise of 15 % increase in durability) it effectively killed most of the feel of the string. It played a lot more muted and didn't have as crisp of feel to it. Also less control IMO. I stopped using VS as my gut string of choice. I just have a feeling they've done the same thing to their new gut strings with BT7. I've not used them and probably will not. Maybe I'll be wrong about this.
     
  2. pvaudio

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    I'm just lucky to have (I think, I'd have to go to my bin and check) 3 sets of the original VS Team still on hand.
     
  3. pvaudio

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    Anybody care to see a particular string tested? I'm attaching my string list having removed all of the prices so you can see what you've got to choose from :)

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  4. pvaudio

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    And yes, I know that Power Synthetic isn't a multi, and no, I don't care. :)
     
  5. Up&comer

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    You realize you left your name at the top, David?

    Awesome collection by the way.
     
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    how about polystar turbo and pro supex maxim touch hybrid
     
  7. pvaudio

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    Yeah, I don't care haha. Anyone who would benefit from knowing my name already knows it. I know there are people on here from the place that I play at, and they already know my name. retlod knows it, mikeler knows it, guess everyone knows it now :)
     
  8. pvaudio

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    You'll have to recomment the tension for MT. I'm not a fan of it!
     
  9. Up&comer

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    *cough* black5edge mains and recoil crosses *cough cough*
     
  10. pvaudio

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    Haha, I forgot about that! That's the next one :)
     
  11. smirker

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    PV, what's your take on BA Micro? Thinking of ordering a reel from the Depot but as I am in the UK no chance to play test a set. Full bed in you AG100 should be a good fit?
     
  12. J_aces

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    Could you do a B5E, BHBR, or typhoon mains with global crosses?
     
  13. mikeler

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    PV,

    I no longer feel special since the list is out in the public domain! At least you left out the prices. ;)
     
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  14. pvaudio

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    Sorry!!! And no, there is no way I'm posting the full list with pricing. :D
     
  15. Up&comer

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    Does that mean you over charge people???

    I kid. :)
     
  16. mikeler

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    Nope, he charges a fair price IMHO. :)
     
  17. pvaudio

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    I'm sorry, but Global is simply more useful as packaging twine. It is absolutely atrocious in every regard, even as a cross string.
     
  18. J_aces

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    it it worse than a cross of syn gut like gosen or prince?
     
  19. pvaudio

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    Three new setups were strung tonight, stay tuned as I take pics and post. :)
     
  20. pvaudio

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    Yes. It feels very, very cheap, and tends to break very prematurely. If not while stringing, then in your bag is a very real possiblity. Hoenstly, with PerforMAXX out there, there's no need to use Global. The product quality isn't even in the same league, and I've never broken it prematurely (broke in my bag twice, but the batch of said string was defective and people everywhere were suffering the same fault. All of our sets were replaced for free.)P.
     
  21. pvaudio

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    WeissCANNON B5E / Prince Recoil

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    Stringing: I've already talked about B5E at length. Recoil, however, I've never used until now. It's a very unique feeling string. The packaging states 1.30mm. You'd have to drug me to believe that the string is that thick. I was right as I used my calipers and it measured 1.255mm before stringing. This is 17g multi, no question about it. Tensioned, it's even thinner. Nonetheless, it weaves like a synthetic gut. It's not floppy like most multis at all. It has a very bumpy texture in the hand, one which I've never felt before. It's not actually slick feeling like Polystar polys are, but it's very, very smooth. I'm progressively lowering tension, so I've strung these all the same: 47/50 lbs.

    Groundstrokes:
    Overall: /10

    Serves:
    Overall: /10

    Volleys:
    Overall: /10

    Durability:
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    BHBR 17 / Prince Recoil

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    Stringing: Both strings have already been covered. However, I will note that it was very tedious to avoid burning the Recoil against the BHBR when pulling. Very interesting. Strung also at 47/50.

    Groundstrokes:
    Overall: /10

    Serves:
    Overall: /10

    Volleys:
    Overall: /10

    Durability:
    Overall: /10



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  23. pvaudio

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    BHBR 17 / WhisperTouch Pro

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    Stringing: The only real reason why I decided to do this is that I had an extra half set of WT Pro leftover, and I wanted to try BHBR at a lower tension than before. IIRC, this is 8lbs lower than my previous test, and if not, it's at least 5lbs. I never played BHBR below 52. Also strung at 47/50.

    Groundstrokes:
    Overall: /10

    Serves:
    Overall: /10

    Volleys:
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    Durability:
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  24. pvaudio

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    The fourth racquet is my standard B5E/WT that's only got beginning wear on it. This will be academic to test. I can test B5E gut vs. Recoil and BHBR gut vs. Recoil. Will hopefully have full results for at least two of them tomorrow (can't really playtest 3 setups at once). :)
     
  25. pvaudio

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    I like BAM. It's a very crisp feeling string. However, WC Silverstring 1.20 beats it in every single category aside from power.
     
  26. Up&comer

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    Yes!

    Very interested in your findings.
     
  27. mikeler

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    Recoil is a very unique string. Wish I could have tested it as a full bed but since mine snapped when I tried, I've only used it as a cross. It definitely is on the stiffer side for a multi and your comparison to it with a synthetic gut does not surprise me. The roughness does not make it fun to weave either as you pointed out.
     
  28. Nuke

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    Recoil is NOT a multi. It's a syngut with a Gore-tex wrap to make it slippery.
     
  29. mikeler

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    My bad, you are correct. Here is how TW describes it:

    Construction: Solid Core with a filament wrap. Gore(TM) MicroWeb
     
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    Great, thanks for saving me the bother of oredering from the States when I can get SS over here:)

    Extra power is probably the last attribute I look for in a string anyway.
     
  31. pvaudio

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    I still consider it a multifilament. Its construction is too complicated to consider it anything else. I'll give it this: solid core, multifilament.
     
  32. pvaudio

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    YOu can actually get more of their strings overseas, so I'm not sure why you'd have to buy Pro Supex products here only. Either way, Silverstring is better regardless :)
     
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    Very limited distribution of Supex strings in the UK but as I can get SS easily not worth the bother of ordering the BAM from the states when SS is the better all round string.
     
  34. pvaudio

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    Too early to tell on the Recoil hybrids. I can say this though, The B5E hybrid is less powerful, but touch is simply out of this world. From the baseline, it actually feels rather similar. The spin with BHBR doesn't appear to be as much as it was with natty. At the same time, I'm not being scientific as I'm reviewing stringbeds at different tensions, but theoretically, the lower tension should yield both higher power and more spin. Not seeing much of that yet. Net play with the B5E/recoil is actually better than the gut. That, is impressive.

    I didn't try the new lowered tension BHBR/gut yet, so stay tuned. :)
     
  35. Torres

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    Semantics, but generally people wouldn't describe a mono core string with a single filament wrap to be a 'multi'. Otherwise, Gosen Micro would be a multi. Gosen has a coating as well, as does Recoil. I'd hazard a guess this is just a Prince synthetic gut with a Teflon type or similar coating.

    I'd repeat the playability comments from a number of people here on TT (the string has been around for a while) but I would want to influence your playest......

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    Just for comparison, from RSI: "The diameter measured 1.30-1.33 mm prior to stringing, and 1.27-1.28 mm after stringing."
     
  38. Austinthecity

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    I'm not trying to criticize; again, I think it's great that you're putting in the time and effort to help us review all of these polys and hybrids.

    However, why are so many of the reviews getting all 10s? Are they really all perfect setups?
     
  39. Up&comer

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    They aren't. He just put a /10 after each one so he could fill it in later.
     
  40. pvaudio

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    Thank you for the posts.

    This weekend I think will be the next time I'll be able to try all 3.
     
  41. Doubles

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    Hey, PV. I'm about to try Pro Hurricane for the first time in a while. How would you compare it to B5E or SS? I've been using those two strings recently so if you could make a comparison to those strings I would greatly appreciate it...
     
  42. pvaudio

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    It doesn't really compare to either of them. Even if they won't admit it, I feel that PH is the reference for all smooth polys that aren't imitating something unique i.e. ALU, RPM Blast. It was the first widely popular one, and still is widely popular for good reason. It's like Scorpion in that it's all around in its performance. It's more powerful than Silverstring and will give you more spin, but that's it. It's inferior to B5E in all aspects.
     
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    Oh, okay. Maybe I'll like it then...
     
  44. genius24

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    thanks for sharing. keep the good stuff coming
     
  45. pvaudio

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    WeissCANNON B5E / Prince Recoil

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    Stringing: I've already talked about B5E at length. Recoil, however, I've never used until now. It's a very unique feeling string. The packaging states 1.30mm. You'd have to drug me to believe that the string is that thick. I was right as I used my calipers and it measured 1.255mm before stringing. This is 17g multi, no question about it. Tensioned, it's even thinner. Nonetheless, it weaves like a synthetic gut. It's not floppy like most multis at all. It has a very bumpy texture in the hand, one which I've never felt before. It's not actually slick feeling like Polystar polys are, but it's very, very smooth. I'm progressively lowering tension, so I've strung these all the same: 47/50 lbs.

    I'm going to mix it up a bit and put half of my thoughts here and half at the end like I normally do. There is a caveat with my remarks here. You need to keep in mind that B5E is my go-to main string, so changing only one aspect, especially a part of the stringbed, will be very noticable for me. If it isn't, then I know the cross change makes little difference. That's the first caveat: I know 50% of what I'm reviewing here better than any other string, so it's up to the cross to blow me away...or otherwise. The second caveat is related to the above. My normal setup, B5E/WT, costs $16 a frame: 6 bucks for the poly, 10 for the gut crosses (reel discount during promotional pricing dropped it for me personally, and bulk ordering of the gut cut that cost for me as well, but the figure there is what it costs off the shelf right now). Using the retail prices for this setup, it's 6 for the poly, and near as makes no difference, 9 for the crosses. That's $15, and hence only one dollar cheaper for a synthetic cross versus a great performing natural gut cross. Keep that in mind: value for money is very significant here, and my ratings will be based on the comparison between the performance of the Recoil and natural gut. If there's little difference, it will be rated the same to slightly worse. If it's worse, it will be rated harshly. If it's better, it will be rated far higher than the gut.


    Groundstrokes: Here is the beginning of the mediocrity. Using Recoil as a cross simply yields nothing positive in this setup. It honestly feels like using a synthetic gut cross, which as Torres posted above, Recoil essentially is. Would you pay $9 for a synthetic gut cross string? I sure as hell wouldn't, especially if I can get natural gut for 1 dollar more and have it play much better. There is far less power and responsiveness from the stringbed. The resiliency of the gut version is immediately evident when using Recoil as a cross. Any form of pickup shot: stretched forehand defensive shots, 1HBH flicks off the baseline or when jammed, half volleys, etc., are all inferior. There is much less spin off of both wings as well. For a baseliner, you're better off simply using PSGD. Since I'm not a baseliner, please continue to read on.
    Overall: 7/10

    Serves: Same as the groundstrokes. Nothing here is better than with the gut. It just ruins the feeling of the B5E while the natty enhances it. There's less power and less spin. Since I rely on my serve, this means a large no. Again, if you don't rely on your serve, then there's still no reason to waste Recoil in the crosses.
    Overall: 7/10

    Volleys: This, interestingly, is the most peculiar aspect of this string setup. Nothing I have tested to date volleys as well. Control is simply outstanding. While touch shots aren't up there with the B5E/gut hybrid, normal volleying feels far more solid. You really have the confidence to modulate your shot for either a flatter put away, or some back or sidespin to create a more interesting angle. I don't know if it's the higher stiffness and thus lower power, but without question, nothing I've done yet in this thread or in my life for that matter volleys as well. Touch and feel, however, leave some to be desired.
    Overall: 9/10

    Durability: For something called Recoil whose alleged Pièce de résistance is superior string realignment, this fails miserably. The cross strings were sliding all over the place. They are much slicker, albeit, than uncoated gut (either WT Pro or WT after fraying), but even with other multis that I've used in this thread such as NRG2 and MCS, the crosses are all over the place. B5E also does not realign as well as it does with gut in the crosses, so the surface doesn't help to generate more spin via snapback. I can't really tell if the tension has dropped since the power level was low to begin with compared to the gut.
    Overall: 8/10

    This setup is a letdown only, and please do understand why I keep repeating this, but only because Recoil is so highly priced. I honestly feel that you would have the same results using OGSM. Maybe Recoil is great as a main, I don't know. What I do know is that I'll gladly keep paying my extra dollar to have natural gut complement a fine poly like B5E.

    Overall: 7.5/10
     
  46. pvaudio

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    BHBR 17 / Prince Recoil

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    Stringing: Both strings have already been covered. However, I will note that it was very tedious to avoid burning the Recoil against the BHBR when pulling. Very interesting. Strung also at 47/50.

    I'm not going to bother detailing out each aspect here because all of my thoughts with B5E mains carry over minus the volleys. Volleys here are worse than with the gut. It just feels like a board in comparison. I think it's because BHBR is stiffer than B5E, so it already had ground to make up. Unfortuantely, it didn't win. This hybrid simply isn't worth it. I would be able to give more objective views if Recoil did not cost as much as the natural gut that I'm using as a reference.

    Overall: 7.0/10
     
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    Awesome. Thanks pv.
     
  48. pvaudio

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    BHBR 17 / WhisperTouch Pro

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    Stringing: The only real reason why I decided to do this is that I had an extra half set of WT Pro leftover, and I wanted to try BHBR at a lower tension than before. IIRC, this is 8lbs lower than my previous test, and if not, it's at least 5lbs. I never played BHBR below 52. Also strung at 47/50.

    The change in tension here made no difference whatsoever. This is still a superb string setup. There isn't any extra power or spin due to the lower tension, and the feel at contact is identical. The only difference is that this uses uncoated WhisperTouch whereas before I reviewed it as normal. The crosses are getting shredded more quickly, but honestly, you don't get much time out of 1.20mm gut crosses with a main string like BHBR anyway. So instead of detailing what I've already done, for those of you just joining us, linked below is the original review of this setup at a slightly higher tension. I took off 0.25 from the overall simply due to the lower durability, but otherwise, it's the same.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5554682&postcount=703

    Overall: 9.25/10
     
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    I think it would be intriguing for you to try gosen polylon 17 and something soft. I really love my gosen because it plays very crisply and is so cheap. Its actually my go-to because of some horrible experiences with more expensive string.
     
  50. pvaudio

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    If no one objects, I will temporarily suspend my playtesting. I'm going to string 3 frames with B5E/WT so that I just focus on my game. Reason is, my other frame, my ORIGINAL, AG100!!!!!!! cracked at the throat :( :( :( :(
     

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