PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Avadia

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    I just got a 4D 200 Tour to play with and am really liking it. Allows you to hit a heavy ball with a lot of control. My serve speed jumped up a notch from the Prince Ignite racquet I was using before, and it is a lot more arm-friendly than the Ignite as well. Considering the prices at the moment, this racquet is a steal.

    The only drawback so far is that it is a little tougher to generate racquet head speed, as I am used to a more head light balance. I am going to try to get used to it, and if I can't, I will modify it some to make it more head light. Overall, a great stick though. I have it strung with Wilson NXT Tour 17g. at 58 lbs. Can't wait to get my normal gut/poly hybrid in this racquet.
     
  2. jdunnie014159

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    Mine are all 3/8ths and in very good condition. I'd be happy to swap for a while. I left you my email address a few posts up.
     
  3. pvaudio

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    I'll just hook you up with one then, I just bought 3 of the 4D200 Tour a second ago. Are you looking to buy or just want to demo it?
     
  4. jdunnie014159

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    Just demo it I guess. I really want to try some string setups in an open pattern with that swing weight. The first setup I'm going to try is Blue Gear/Gut. If I love the frame I'll certainly offer to buy it. You interested in one of my Prestiges, or have you used them already?
     
  5. formula16

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    hey
    i notice most of your setups are with poly mains?
    Do you ever try setups with gut mains?
    thanks
     
  6. pvaudio

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    Nah, not interested in demoing anything, just email me your info and I'll see if I can't get something out either the end of this week or early next (in the process of moving). Don't need to demo anything cause I've got 3 new racquets in the mail :D

    Formula, coincidentally the next playtest will be a gut mains, MSV hepta twist hybrid as per the TWU string friction rankings. I'm curious to test whether or not it actually increases spin, so I'll put that in one of my new frames along with the other two having B5E/WT as a reference for the new sticks.
     
  7. formula16

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    ahh ok, look forward to it :D
     
  8. finalfantasy7

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    PV try the federer set up when you use gut mains
     
  9. pvaudio

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    Been there, done that. I really dislike playing ALU as much as I hate weaving it :D
     
  10. JackB1

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    I tried that setup.....Gut mains and Heptatwist crosses and it played and felt pretty good, but nothing subatantially better than other hybrids with copoly crosses. Plus Hepta twist was a major pain in the butt to string!. It would keep trying to coil around itself like it was alive and the rough surface made it difficult to weave the crosses. Interested to hear if your experience is better. It was such a ***** to string I swore I would never use it again! :)
     
  11. finalfantasy7

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    ok, have u ever tried a full bed of Nat gut
     
  12. pvaudio

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    Yes I have played full gut, but I don't like it. It just lacks the crisp feel that poly gives.

    Got my new strings in today (and racquets!!!): MSV Co Focus 1.23 Midnight Blue and Hepta-Twist 1.25 Black. The Co Focus is probably the best looking poly string I have ever seen. The color is just so rich and looks incredibly high end. The Hepta-Twist, however, looks like every other black twisted poly, except for one difference: stringing. I'm sorry Jack, but the HT was easily one of the simplest polys to weave that I've ever strung. It reminded me exactly like B5E. I normally string my poly/gut racquets in about 18 mins, the gut/poly hybrid took just over 20, so it really wasn't bad at all. Got two racquets done: B5E/WT Pro and WT Pro/Hepta-Twist. Will update with pictures and formal stringing reviews later this evening. Playing at 8AM tomorrow. Both strung in my new frames too!!! :) :) :)
     
  13. JackB1

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    I dont know....maybe it's just me???
    You didn't find the Hepta super coily?
     
  14. pvaudio

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    No sir! Then again, I do have a reel of it, but even then, it's not obnoxious. I have BHBR in a reel, and that coils like a pit viper. The Hepta-Twist doesn't. :)
     
  15. pvaudio

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    New frames!!! Check out that paintjob, and less than $100 a piece!

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  16. mixedmedia

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    Awesome, PV, those look sweet!
     
  17. pvaudio

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    WhisperTouch Pro / MSV Hepta-Twist 1.23

    WhisperTouch Pro / MSV Hepta-Twist 1.25

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    Stringing: This wasn't bad at all, despite what the MSV looks like. The gut was easy to string up in the mains, and as you can see, no power pads were used here. The last time I used WT Pro mains, both sets snapped prematurely in my bag. That string, however, was during a rough spot in raw materials production. The set used for both playtests was purchased thereafter. All in all, very easy to string up. Strung at 49/47, no prestretch.

    Groundstrokes: This is a very specific setup, and if you aren't familiar with it, it was chosen due to the following: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/COFreporter.php

    If you look, the setup with the lowest mu is the Tonic / Hepta-Twist hybrid. Since I don't use Babolat gut anymore as I prefer the feel of the Performaxx, I decided to make my own version of it. This yielded a very interesting stringbed for a number of reasons. The biggest feature is the power, and my goodness, is there a lot of it! This is likely due both to stringing the natural gut mains below 50lbs, and also due to the MSV in itself being rather lively. There is also a very generous amount of spin that this setup provides, but it isn't the greatest or greater than a full poly bed by any measure. It is, however, far more comfortable and easier to generate heavy shots due to the obscene power and healthy spin.

    Here, however, is the caveat: if you do NOT employ a strong low-high swing path, your shots WILL be going long. I do not believe in the theory of "effortless" spin, as physics cannot be beaten by tennis racquet strings. You cannot impart rotation on the ball just by the material in the stringbed if there is no additional momentum applied. In other words, you don't get spin unless you swing to generate it. With this setup, you can generate spin very easily which results in an extremely heavy ball. However, if you flatten out your shots, make sure you realize that it better be a putaway or a higher percentage shot. The same applies to backspin and sidespin. Due to the nature of these shots, if you don't get the trajectory correct, the balls will land long. If you do get the trajectory right, you won't believe how much your slices penetrate the court and skid.
    Overall: 9/10

    Serves: This is a great serving setup if you employ topspin on your serve like I do. Reason is listed above: you get excellent power and excellent spin. However, flat serves are more difficult to work with. It results in lower percentages, but this is also advantageous. If you are normally putting up a very heavy serve with lots of movement, and then flatten out the next, the change in pace is extraordinary and can truly throw the opponent off. However, note again that these can go wide and long if you're not careful.
    Overall: 8.5/10

    Volleys: The same applies here as well. WT Pro provides incredible feel, so it's easy to direct your volleys exactly where you want them as far as azimuth goes. It is NOT easy, however, to get the depth just right. You need to be putting the volleys away to hit with confidence every time. Shorter angles increase the chances of the ball going long, but they are excellent for longer paths. With the natural gut in the mains, touch shots are technically simple, however you may be surprised that the ball goes farther than you were expecting. Get it right, and that ball can definitely hop back over the net.
    Overall: 8.5/10

    Durability: Not sure here. I only played both setups for a total of 1 hour between the two, with this having less play time since I was getting used to my new frame with the go-to string setup for a reference. Nonetheless, the gut isn't really going to pot yet, but the poly IS moving all over the place. What this means at this point, I don't know. Time will tell if the MSV goes dead first or the gut gets shredded.
    Overall: Too Early/10

    This is a very good setup, but it still isn't quite my cup of tea. I used to play with gut mains, and going back to them brought back all of the reasons why I did. You get effortless power, great control, and excellent feel. However, time and again, I picked up the B5E mains racquet and didn't put it down until I reminded myself I was playtesting this setup as well. It's excellent, but it's just not as good as gut crosses for me. I do, however, recommend that people try it.



    Overall: 9.15/10
     
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  18. pvaudio

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    Dunlop 4D200 Tour review

    4D200 Tour Review with B5E / WT Pro

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    Stringing: Done already numerous times, so I won't bother. Only difference here is that there is one less cross to weave compared to my AG100s. Strung at 47/49, no prestretch.

    Groundstrokes: As can probably be inferred, this is truly a review of the 4D200 Tour as I use this string setup as my go to. Compared with the AG100, you get outstanding plowthrough, more spin, more control and exceptional comfort. HOWEVER! This frame is like a fair mediator: you are rewarded for your efforts, and punished for your laziness. If you get your preparation down and your footwork hustling, it essentially takes care of exactly what you want to do with the ball. However, if you're a lazy shuffler and don't get your racquet in position properly, you'll feel it. The racquet is too heavy to get away with it unlike with the AG100. To this point, compared to before, my proper shots were far better, but my mediocre shots were in fact worse. It's more comfortable than my AG100, and makes a far better sound (perhaps due to the larger stringbed). I think that like when I bought my HotMelt 200G in 7th grade, it's going to train me to improve my game so I get that excellence every time. When you do get it, it's second to none.
    Overall: 9.75/10

    Serves: Fantastic, but the above notion still applies. If your timing is off or your toss out of place, the racquet will either will be too early, or drag and be too late. This yields less power and a harsh reminder that you shouldn't have hit that toss. If you do get it right, the stick again takes care of you and does exactly what you envisoned. Again, makes you want to practice so you get that sweet spot every time.
    Overall: 9.5/10

    Volleys: Strangely, this is where this racquet really showed its brilliance. Since volleys aren't supposed to be swung at, the extra weight really takes care of your volleys for you. Simply begin the volley, and physics takes care of the rest. It feels so incredibly solid and stable compared to the AG100 which felt as though it could be moved around by the opponent's shot. Not so here. As a frequent net player in singles, this is a welcome benefit for my new and improved game.
    Overall: 10/10

    Durability: Didn't play long enough as I said in the MSV review, but I've reviewed this hybrid to death. I don't expect anything different. The mains are still grid straight and the crosses aren't flailing around. As good as always.
    Overall: 9/10

    Put simply, this is an astounding frame. I was right, and it fits my game perfectly. It feels like a piece of precision equipment, and plays so solidly. I have played every 200 Dunlop has made since the Muscle Weave. No matter what other frame I switch to, I've found myself over the past decade coming back to the 200 line. This is by far the best of the lot. I will say this: I do not like the 18x20 version of this racquet. It feels as though the string pattern is holding back the frame from doing what it does best: put solid, heavy balls back over the net. With the open string pattern, the extra power removes this hindrance. If you play a true all-court style, give it a demo.


    Overall: 10/10
     
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  19. JackB1

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    Nice reviews PV. Regarding your gut/hepta hybrid, I can't believe u went that low in tension on the gut mains! Its usually not a good idea to go below 55 for gut mains or you will have too much power. Next time try 56/52 and it will play much better.
     
  20. pvaudio

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    I tried it at 52/55 I believe and didn't like it too much. I'm too hooked on low tension poly, and besides, WhisperTouch is not even remotely as lively as a Babolat gut. The setup is excellent, and I mean really rather good. YOu just need to make sure you put spin on it, and if you do, the heaviness of the shots is incredible. Definitely heavier than B5E/WT, but you can hit with less variety because the power is always there, not there when you want it like with poly mains. It is indeed incredibly academic. :)
     
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    Oops that was supposed to be 55/52, or maybe it was 53/50, no idea. I'd have to check earlier in this thread :D
     
  22. JackB1

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    So your fav still is B5E mains / WT crosses?

    Isn't nat gut a pain to weave? I only have tried gut/poly hybrids cause I like soft feel. I am tempted to try B5E/gut. Which has more spin? B5E/gut or gut/B5E?
     
  23. pvaudio

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    No sir, I've never had a problem weaving natural gut. It's about as annoying as a very easy to weave poly. The only difference is that you really need to pay attention when pulling it through. Unlike with any other string (and i know you know this given you play gut mains, I'm just saying for everyone else :) ), if it even begins to kink, stop, put in some slack, then pull extremely slowly. Accidentally pulling on a kink likely won't break it (not tensioning, just pulling), but the next time you do tension it....brrrrrrrr POP! :D
     
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    Thanks for that answer about weaving gut. WHat about the other questions in bold?
     
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    Ah my bad, I missed that lol

    I would say that in this case, B5E mains win. I've always found that gut mains setups with smooth crosses yield the most spin. That's why I'm excited to try the Co Focus since it's a nice smooth poly string. The spin from B5E mains is hard to beat. It's earth shattering, but the string provides so much control that it's exceptional to have that spin as a part of the arsenal.
     
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    SO u are saying B5E/gut beats gut/B5E, but a gut/smoother poly might be the best of all? I am a little confused? Your response in bold seems contradictory.

    I usually opt for smooth round polys for my crosses and these are great choices:

    -Proline2
    -Black Magic
    -Sonic Pro
    -VPro
    -Hyperion
     
  27. pvaudio

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    Nope, that's not what I meant. I meant that in this case, the poly in the mains yields more spin as I've found that smooth poly crosses yield more spin than rough poly crosses. Since B5E is a rough poly, the poly mains in a gut hybrid here yield more spin.
     
  28. mikeler

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    When are you going to test the Genesis Thunder Blast? I did a little write up in my multis thread this morning, really good stuff as a cross with B5E mains. Soft, yet crisp with great spin due to the rough texture. I could really flatten out balls with confidence.
     
  29. pvaudio

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    Dunno, it's just chilling on the loveseat behind me. Once I'm fully used to the new stick, then I'll be more adventurous :D
     
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    C'mon, try it out in one of the new "girls". Have a good weekend.
     
  31. pvaudio

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    Heh, not too sure my girlfriend would really approve of me playing with 3 new girls for hours at a time :)
     
  32. dadozen

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    MSV Hepta Twist indeed was one of the easiest polys I've ever strung. It doesn't even look like a poly while stringing!
     
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    Ahh, life as a post BS engineering student with a girlfriend. Those were good times. Then you get married to that girlfriend, years go by and let's just say that "the frequency" goes down slowly but surely. And don't call me Shirley...:)
     
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    Have you done a review on Tourna Big Hitter Silver Rough?
     
  35. Up&comer

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    Ah I love that movie.

    * guy is trying to land the plane.*

    Suddenly the other guy turns off the runway lights.

    "sir, don't you think we should turn the lights on for him?"

    "no. That's exactly what he's expecting us to do."
     
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    I laughed at that too !!!! :lol:
     
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    Excuse me Mikeler, but I speak Jive
     
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    GMOAT. Classic
     
  39. mikeler

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    Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

    OK, enough thread hijack...
     
  40. pvaudio

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    LOL I have zero idea whatsoever what you guys are talking about :)
     
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    You've never seen airplane??? You need to go watch that movie right now.
     
  42. JackB1

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    PV, I am trying your favorite...B5E and nat gut, in my Organix 8.
    I'll give you my thoughts after I play with it...I just strung it up this morning and the gut wasn't hard to weave at all. In fact I think it's easier than most polys to weave. You just have to keep watching for kinks and such, but other than that, it's easy.
     
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    Excellent! I'm excited to hear how it goes.

    I'll be sure to pick up the movie, just because you asked so nicely haha :)
     
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    Update:

    I played another hour and a half or so with the gut/HT racquet. The stringbed definitely has broken in now as it's changed its playing characteristics a LOT. Although the power is still there, I fully understand what TW found when they tested this string setup. The spin compared to the B5E/WT racquet is simply not a comparison. This truly is the most spin producing setup I have ever used in my life. Again, I don't believe in statements like "everything dropped in at the last second!", but this is about as close as it gets. Slices in particular are absolutely deadly. YOu can drive it with so much pace, but it just does not bounce once it hits the ground. It skids and stays extra low. For topspin, I found myself time and again simply using the best thing about gut mains: power redirection along with a followthrough to return serve or neutralize big shots. In other words, no swing is necessary as you can simply return any shot with the power it was hit with, but add an incredible amount of heaviness by simply finishing low-high. However, if you get a ball with little pace on it, including a good slice, the added power can still be a problem. Trying to unload on anything other than an approach shot or a deep ball near you will yield unpredictable depth. If you work your feet though, you can create outstanding angles, and without question the heaviest shots and absolutely humming serves that I've ever seen.

    Updated Overall: 9.55/10
     
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    I have a feeling you will like it.


    Also pick up Naked Gun if you have not seen that.
     
  46. pvaudio

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    Nah, I've seen quite a few Nielsen movies, just not Airplane! :)
     
  47. hebrewhammer

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    PV,
    I have been having trouble stringing gut crosses lately, and recently bought 3 packs of klip x-plosive/poly hybrid for my dad for his bday and i dont want to screw it up. So, I just wanted to know what you do (if anything) to decrease the chance of snapping gut while stringing. Also could you please maybe post a pic of kinked (scrap piece of) gut that would most likely break just so I know what to look for.
    Thanks!
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    ps, i know it has been said before, but this thread it the bomb
     
  48. pvaudio

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    Thank you! If I can help anyone, then I'm glad to do it. :)

    On the gut, the only tip I can give you is to take your time. If you have a crank, as soon as you feel the resistance from the string, slowly turn the handle until it locks out. If you have an electronic CP machine, then pull at the slowest tension. I kink the Performaxx gut that I use all of the time, but it doesn't break because of this. However, it will snap quite quickly if you pull tension on it while it's kinked. Undo it, and you're good to go!
     
  49. hebrewhammer

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    Alright thanks a lot PV!
     
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    Lots of good stuff here, pvaudio!
     

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