PV Audio's Playtest Thread

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  1. JackB1

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    You finally get me to try what was your favorite....B5E/gut. Now you finally try gut/poly and you are now raving about that! I can't win :) So which is your favorite now?
     
  2. GlenK

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    Gut/poly is the ticket. No need to try anything else. I just can't bring myself to even put gut in as x's. Just seems like a waste to me..
     
  3. Up&comer

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    It's definitely not a waste.

    If you swing more laterally, gut mains are going to do you more good.

    If you swing with a brush across rather than right up the back, you can really feel the gut grabbing the ball. It feels great and it lasts longer than gut mains.
     
  4. GlenK

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    ^^Guess we'll just disagree on this one. Get that same feeling with gut mains for me.. not nearly as much control as when the gut's only in the x's. So it's a waste for me and not for you..
     
  5. pvaudio

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    I still prefer the B5E mains since I love the feel of poly more than the feel of gut. However, the gut mains setup does generate more spin and power. In the end, however, I have more control and confidence to hit exactly the shot I want with B5E/gut and never have to change my swing or slow it down to tame the power. So yep, the B5E/gut hybrid still reigns supreme :)
     
  6. Up&comer

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    Fair enough.
     
  7. Up&comer

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    Also, I'm trying out the mikeler setup with b5e mains and mcs crosses. I get the string Friday hopefully.
     
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    What would you say to Sweet 16 Gold mains / Cyberflash 1.20 crosses? I have a pack of each and I won't be able to get two main strings from the set of Cyberflash. Would the Sweet pass as a poor man's gut? I hit primarily flat with an AG200. I hit from the baseline, but take every opportunity to step in and hit an angle.
     
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  9. mikeler

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    That was the mikeler PST setup. I think you'll like it but let us know.

    I'm playing with B5E and Genesis Thunder Blast at the moment in my new PK 7Gs. This is probably going to be the mikeler 7G setup. Normally I use a spinny forehand with a lot of net clearance but this setup gives me the confidence to crush forehands like no other racket/string/tension combination has given me in the past.
     
  10. Up&comer

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    Cool.

    Personally, I don't think I'll ever find something that plays as well as bhbr mains and gut crosses.

    However, it's getting so dang expensive I have to practice with full bhbr and switch to the gut crosses around 2 days before a tournament. And no, I don't have an adjustment period. It just feels right.

    So I'm going to try the b5e mcs combo and see how that goes. Wish me luck!
     
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    MW,...I've been playing lately, the AG200 with a full bed of MSV Co-Focus @ 48lbs.,....been really nice,...good control,power,feel. I'd do the same all over again.
     
  12. MuscleWeave

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    I have a set of Cyber Blue 1.20 on standby. I believe it's very similar to Co-Focus. I really liked it @56 LO.
     
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    Now see,..I had some probs with Cyber Blue,...strung at 52lbs it was wayyyyyyyy to 'trampoliney' for me. to the point of giving an almost 'delayed reaction'. However i had another set,...and strung that at 56lbs and it fixed all that. Its definately a very soft, flexible string!!!...I suspect Cyber Blue is a string You need to string a little higher than most polys due to its nature...
     
  14. mikeler

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    I think you should give the Thunder Blast a shot. It might be the closest thing I've felt to gut in a multi but let me caveat that with I've only hit with modern natty gut for about 10 minutes.
     
  15. Up&comer

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    I might try it. I'll see how the black5edge MCS hybrid goes.
     
  16. pvaudio

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    Hmm, I'm rather interested in trying this then.
     
  17. mikeler

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    Just remember, I'm not a gut expert. It feels crisp yet soft which is how I always read people describe gut. That is also what I felt the 10 minutes I hit with VS gut. I was worried bouncing balls off it before I played with the setup because I have always equated crisp with stiff when it comes to multis. Not so with this string as a cross. Hopefully somebody reviews it as a full bed. I'm probably buying a reel of it this week.
     
  18. pvaudio

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    Welp, Hepta-Twist goes the way of its hexagonal brother, Focus Hex. It's died and has now ruined the feel of the stringbed with only about 3 playing hours plus a few days of idle time on it. The B5E/gut in the new stick however still plays like the day I strung it. It's so superior to the AG100 that I don't know why I was so ignorant years ago when it came out and only tested the 18x20 version. I hated that stick, but loved the open pattern AG100, but somehow assumed the Tour would be to lively. Not so!!
     
  19. JackB1

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    Tried my B5E / nat gut hybrid yesterday and quite liked it. But the gut is starting to fray a little after just a couple hours. Moreso when the hybrid is the other way around with the gut in the mains. I hope it lasts! How long were you getting out of your B5E/gut hybrid? I am guessing the guts breaks before the poly in the mains goes dead?
     
  20. pvaudio

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    Actually it doesn't. The gut frays ridiculously, but unlike multifilaments, it doesn't shred itself to death quickly. The poly has always gone dead no matter how thin the gut gets. :)
     
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    I've noticed this too. Gut mains/poly x: the gut frays much later than with gut crosses on poly mains. Since the ball slides along your crosses (think main string snapback) during dwelltime, the crosses show wear earlier on, especially in hybrids of poly/gut (low friction, longer dwell, etc).

    However, as pv said, the fraying is nothing to be alarmed by. The gut will fray and fray and fray, and still will outlast most strings it is paired with (kevlar the only exception for most), both in terms of durability and tension hold.
     
  22. Smasher08

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    Any chance of you trying Co-Focus crosses for comparison?
     
  23. pvaudio

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    Yep! I'm doing that today, in fact :)
     
  24. tennis4life6965

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    Hey pvaudio, i want to try using signum pro tornado 1.23 mains at 54 lbs. and scorpion 1.22 crosses at 52lbs. Can you try it out??

    Thanks
     
  25. pvaudio

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    Umm, why would I playtest it when it's you that wants to try that specific setup? :)
     
  26. Up&comer

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    What exactly are you trying to achieve with that setup? My guess would be you want it to look like a hybrid but be full poly.

    Regardless, poly poly hybrids are almost never greater than the sum of it's parts.
     
  27. pvaudio

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    Perhaps to get more spin from the Tornado by having it slide over a smooth cross? I don't know, but what I do know is that I don't understand why anyone would want my opinion on their setup especially with a different frame :)
     
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    I would think that you could get just as much spin with full tornado because there is less main and cross contact.(?)

    Regardless, I think it was my first assumption.
     
  29. pvaudio

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    Just strung up WT Pro / Co Focus 1.23. I'll have a full review soon, but two things are obvious:

    1. This is the second most handsome string I've ever seen next to Polyfibre Hexablade

    2. This is the second easiest poly I've ever strung next to WC Scorpion. Sooooo floppy, soft and easy to weave and tie!
     
  30. pvaudio

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    WT Pro / MSV Co Focus 1.23 Midnight Blue

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    Stringing: As I hinted at above, the Co Focus is extraordinarily smooth and soft. While many polys have these attributes, rarely does it translate to stringing. Here, however, it does. This is definitely one of the easiest polys to weave that I've ever used, this thread both included and aside. No friction burn against the gut either, and super easy to tie off. Wonderful. Strung at 49/47.
     
  31. mikeler

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    ^^^ Do you play the keyboard and string at the same time? :)
     
  32. JackB1

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    So is the general consensus this.....?

    -for nat gut mains/poly cross hybrids: a smooth round slippery poly works best

    -for poly mains/gut cross hybrids: a rough, edged or shaped poly works best, since it is in the mains
     
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    PV.....only knock on CoFocus seems to be that they break easily.
     
  34. pvaudio

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    Heh, now that's called multitasking :D
     
  35. pvaudio

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    Hmm, I really only break (syn) gut and multis. I can count on a hand how many polys I've broken, so if this breaks, it shall recieve the harshest of treatment :)
     
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    Whether it's a cut and dry consensus, I couldn't say, but that is definitely what I have found myself :)
     
  37. Up&comer

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    And I'll second it.
     
  38. JT_2eighty

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    Agreed for the most part. Although poly main/gut can use any poly you fancy, textured or not. Speaking of which I finally got around to stringing up some Scorpion mains/Gut crosses. Can't wait to hit it this weekend!

    By the way, PV: do you typically hit with a frame the day you string it? Is there a consistent period of time you wait from stringing to hitting, or does it vary?

    I've been noticing I get much more reliable tension stability over time when I string my stick 3 days prior to a match. This way, the sensation of a 'break-in' period is greatly diminished, and also the tension loss/loss of control occurs a few matches later than it would have if I played my racquet the day I strung it.
     
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    ?! Thankfully not in my experience: I've now got 19 hrs on my Co-Focus crosses, and they're still going strong.
     
  40. OldButGame

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    Jack,..I've got Co Focus in my AG200,...full bed,....no problems yet,....but then its 16L gauge too,....AND i'm not a string breaker or big spinner,...AND i've only got about 5hrs on it,....

    I actually like the way it feels a lot, i'm gonna get more and i'm gonna go thinner gauge even..... :)
     
  41. hoodjem

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    AG4D 200 Tour? Wow! PV, I thought you were an AG100 diehard!? What happened?
     
  42. pvaudio

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    I do not. I tend to string the day prior to hitting and greatly dislike hitting with any stick strung even 4 hours before. I want the frame to settle before I start hitting so that it's not all over the place as it breaks in.
     
  43. pvaudio

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    Hah, I was! I had been telling myself for a while to get a heavier frame, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Once I picked up the 4D200 I knew that weight was what I wanted, but I absolutely hated the 18x20 version I tested years ago. So instead I decided to get the Tour since I love the open pattern of the AG100. 'Twas love at first hit, just like every single Dunlop 200 I've owned :)
     
  44. hoodjem

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    I've also been eyeing up that AG4D200T with its weight and 16X18 pattern, but for right now I'm rather enamored of the AG4D300 with its extra spin and power. (I do wish it weighed more.)

    (I tried an AG200 16X19 not 4D a few years ago. With my game it played very close to the AG100, but with no more power and spin.)
     
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    Similarly, I was once told be a stringer that you should leave a new stringjob overnight to settle, as this helps prolong the tension maintenance.

    Looking forward to your playing review of the Co-Focus!
     
  46. Avadia

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    I just recently bought this frame as well. I was looking for something with more swingweight but less frame stiffness than my Prince Ignite 95, and the AG 4D200 fit the bill. So far I am loving it for the plow through and serving power. I still have to get used to the balance, as I am used to a little more head lightness. Also, the NXT Tour 17 at 60 lbs. is not lending itself well to spin generation. So I can't wait to hear how your playtest goes. I have some Co-focus and nat gut just waiting to go into this racket. Or I could go with BHBR in either a full bed or hybrid. We will see. Got a tournament next week, so I will wait until then to string it up.
     
  47. hoodjem

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    I would love to read your opinion on the differences between these two racquets.

    Would you PLEASE start a thread in the racquet section comparing the playing characteristics of these two fine racquets (AG100 versus AG4D200 Tour). I'm sure other Dunlop owners would love it, and would chime in, as well.

    Hoodjem
     
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  48. pvaudio

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    If you tell me what aspects that you'd like to see, then I'd be glad to! :)
     
  49. pvaudio

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    Just hit with the WT Pro / Co Focus. Need another hitting session to post my thoughts. Reasons are thus: this very well may be my new go-to setup. However, there is a problem with power, and there's far too much of it. I am not sure whether it's that I strung it too low OR it was the balls I used. I hadn't used these Slazengers in about two years (their Championship line, I normally play with the Wimbledon ball) and they were the liveliest that I've ever seen. So, I'll up tension a bit and use my normal ball, and then report. So far, however, it's excellent. This is quite simply the most spin producing setup that I've seen. It's truly in a league above and beyond the Hepta-Twist setup to be quite honest. I could even tell that my hitting partner was struggling a LOT to get his timing down because even if the ball landed in the same spot, if I didn't use the same RHS, the amount of pace after the bounce was worlds different. Nonetheless, I need to get the power under control, and then we'll see. :)
     
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    I used a NRG 1.18 main/ Co-focus 1.18 cross setup the other day on clay, and the same thing was happening to the guy on the other side of the net. That cross sends a nosediving, curling ball on a groundstroke. I strung the co-focus at 55 on a dropweight in the cross, and this had the right amount of power for my 95" 18 x 20. I really want to try the WT 1.20 in the future.
     

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