Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.
Sorry, what setup are you referring to? The LT/Storm Metal?
I want to try your prefered setup. If I am stringing performaxx now, full bed 17L at 56lbs what do you recommend I string the WT-WC scorpion at? I do not generate a lot of power if it matters.
Personally, i'd rather play a blue chip over a pusher... makes coming to the net more fun
Drop down to 49/46, gut/Scorpion. I find that in the lower tensions, WT gets too lively.
Played again with the gut/thunderstrings. Still not entirely sure as I can tell that the setup is breaking in. It is definitely a very unique feeling stringbed. I would definitely agree that it would be ideal for a pusher. There is just nothing there though. It's kind of like catching the ball with your racquet and then tossing it back over the net. It's almost as though you can feel the ball sinking into the strings deeper or shallower depending on the pace of the incoming ball, but then coming off your stick at the same medium pace regardless. Unique feeling, but not for someone who likes to make shots. Definitely not for someone who uses their serve to set up points. Absolutely not for the offensive oriented player.
It's not there. The strings are here to return the ball to the opposing court, not put action on it. Swinging ferociously doesn't make the ball drop in due to spin like with the CoFocus or Scorpion crosses. It drops in simply because it wasn't traveling fast enough.
4lbs = the difference between love and hate
Thanks for the review. It was very helpful. I'll still probably test it out too, though I'm a little wary... Will you be trying Classic Touch/Scorpion next? :-D
I got a 4.5 pusher on the docket tonight. Time to warm up the overhead and volleys...
Overheads are the only shot I can think of that are almost entirely dependent confidence. You can hit forehands and backhands and get back into a rhythm. Not overheads. You just have one or you don't.
For sure. You butcher your first 2 or 3 and it usually goes downhill from there.
Yep. It's like a golf swing. You know exactly what you have to do- keep your head still, watch to contact, and keep your body turned so your shoulder is facing the net. But it's so darn hard to do unless you drill for endless hours (Which I have ).
So you think he should have gone up/down 4 pounds on the setup? Right now I'm stringing WT/Scorp at 54/50 (probably will try 53/49). What would that mean for me if I decide to try Strom Metal too
Or were you referring to a different previously mentioned setup?
I just think that with what he described, 42/38 might have been too low. Full poly in the low 40s is ideal. With gut in the mains, I would bump that up a little.
You have a full set. Try it where you normally string your other setup and if that seems tight, try it down 3-4 lbs.
I string full O-Power at 44, but when I play it in crosses with gut mains I string it at 54/50. 52/48 is too soft. 54/50 is just right. But full bed O-Power that high I hate.
Many thanks, MambaT! I'll follow your advice. (I hope PV will too, so it can get a fair evaluation.)
OK but I am a little confused at your statement. Are you saying 49/46 is not a low tension in your opinion?
What is the tension setup for this?
These days it might be considered mid, not low.
Performaxx Light Touch / ThunderStrings Storm 1.25
Performaxx Light Touch / ThunderStrings Storm 1.25
Stringing: This was about as middle of the road as it gets as far as stringing. Natural gut mains, and a medium stiff poly. Not buttery smooth like CoFocus or a Weisscannon offering, but not like Alien. In other words, just what you'd expect. No notching, knots were easy and it just looks nice. Strung 42/38.
Groundstrokes: As I've said before, this setup is unique. Not groundbreaking or earth shattering, but simply unique. With that said, it's speciality does not line up with my goals. The strings feel as though they simply absorb incoming pace and redirect it with the same amount regardless. This would work if you play defensively or a pushing oriented counter-punching game. Seeing as I do neither, it doesn't work for me. Not the spin I was expecting, and the lack of flat shot ability makes it hard to close off points.
Serves: Unimpressed for the same reasons as above. There is simply just not enough solid power transfer. It makes every serve want to be super consistent. That's fine if you want to play that sort of game. Considering I serve to the corners and the body, that's not really useful for me. There isn't enough spin again to make it hard to return. It sits up on anything but the fastest of hard courts (extrapolation since 99% of recreational hard courts are slow).
Volleys: Interesting here. You would expect to have a lot of feel and be able to place volleys as you please, but it doesn't really work that way. You end up making more errors at the net than you expect because again the stringbed sucks the ball into it, and you need to toss it into the court. That's not good for an offensive volley. Overheads are much the same.
Durability: Nothing broken here and no notching. String movement and snap-back is excellent, and due to the low tension, I would say the gut will last a long time. However, the poly likely will run out of steam quickly. I can't say that without having it happen, but it's a common trend with low tension setups.
What we have here is a very specific player's setup. If you play defense, you owe it to yourself to try this. If you are a pusher, you must put this in your racquet. If you counter-punch, fool around with the tension. If you play all-court, serve-volley or baselining, look elsewhere. This is not for the offensive player. Your shots will not penetrate with any troubling pace or action. Will they go in? Yes. Will that be relevant since your opponent can dictate the point until he makes an error? Not at all. So it's really up to your game, and because of that, I can't rate it poorly since it just didn't work for me. I'll give it a slightly higher rating as I can see players with other styles loving its characteristics.
Might you consider trying it at a higher tension, as suggested above?
Ray does indeed know what he's doing, so I believe I may
Awesome. I too will take his suggestion once my set arrives.
Truely amazed at your conclusions on a few hours of play, You are a string savant.
Yep, another great review.
LT/Scorp and Scor/LT
PV, would you kindly provide a complete review for these two setups, like you did for the one above on LT and Thunderstrings all at 41? I have searched and searched and can only find snippets of info about each but they seems to continue to be your favorites but I cant find thorough reviews and comparisons.
Thanks in advance.
Getting ready to string up your best setup. So to make sure I string the Scorpion in the mains at 46 and the gut in the crosses at 49? Do I have this right?
PV thank you again for all your play tests. I have tried many of them which has saved me time and money. Just starting to try performax LT. Started with LT in the mains(40) and MSV in the crosses at 37. Nice setup but am getting a lot of cross movement with the msv. I think I will up my tension on the cross next time. I strung it to 40/40.
I wanted to bring to your attention that the Cyclone 18g is much better than the 17g. I have heard this from others also. It is my favorite setup to date in a full bed or any hybrid that I have tried. I know you tried the 17g string at a much higher tension but notice you have been dropping your tension down. Might be worth a retry at the 18g and lower tension.
do you think dropping p'maxx gut mains with mosquito bite crosses to 25 pounds would be too low?
I certainly wouldn't try it!
Me either! 25 pounds? I'd love to play someone with string tension that low.
Esp. w/ gut and a poly that powerful.
Wouldn't recommend that tension.
As of now, the Scorpion is the king. Perhaps I was just destined to use this stuff, who knows. I just turned someone else on to my original setup, Scorp/WT Pro and he loves it too. This is why I love stringing and being able to test strings: giving someone else something that makes them a better player based on your recommendation is a good feeling
Any desire to try the Storm again at a higher tension?
Strung racket with Proformaxx WT 1.20 mains and Weiss Cannon Scorpion Crosses. 50/47. Hated it!!! (for the first 15 minutes) Loved it from then on. Thanks PV. A great combo!
Are you stringing WT in the mains?
PV forgive me for being a squeeky wheel here but can you provide some more thorough information about the two setups and compare or direct me to where you may have provided that information someplace else. The set ups I am referring to are the Scorp/Whispertouch or Light Touch at 41 pounds each and/or Whispertouch or Light Touch/Scorpion.
I just had my APD strung LT/Scorp 41/41 and it felt completely comfortable immediately. Only used it during half of one lesson and my pro commented on how active the ball was compared to another racquet.
Thanks for the information in advance.
Yup, and I'm about to compare the Scorp crosses to Storm crosses, one in each racquet, at the same tensions. Then I'll try out P'maxx Classic Touch.
I am getting ready to try WT mains at the same tension 50 with hex crosses and see if I can tell a difference. What about this poster at 41lbs?
The reason I advocated the LT is because the poly feels outstanding at lower tensions. If you string WhisperTouch at such a low tension, you're going to get a panzerfaust instead of a stringbed. I tried LT at a cross at a tension far higher than recommended, and it predictably played about as good as a mediocre multifilament. Once I read the packaging instructions (I'm an engineer, cut me a break ), I realized it is meant to be used at lower tensions. Do not mistake however: LT gut / poly at low tension will not be similar to WT gut / poly at higher tension (even in the proper tension range for poly). The LT setup will still be lower powered, but will have more feel. It's a personal choice. I cannot vouch for using LT in the crosses in the low 40s as I did not do it.
I'm sorry, what?
I was just shocked at anyone playing at 41lbs!
I wouldn't string that low either, but some people like it.
I was playing Klip legend gut 18ga mains with Head control crosses at 58lbs. The setup was OK. I replaced the crosses with WC Turbo twist at 53 lbs and still did not like it.
I wanted to try the Pmaxx LT 17L (1.20) so I ordered a set and strung it up ( always 2 piece) at 56lbs. I really liked it even though the range on the package was 25-50lbs.
Then I bought the WT 17L (1.20) strung that in the mains at 50 and WC Scorpion in the crosses at 47lbs. I like this setup best. I see the WT range is 50-60.
I am older and need some power. My next setup was going to be WT cross at 50 and msv focus hex at 47 just to see if I can tell the difference.
Next I want to use Pmaxx gut at a little lower tension in mains with scorpion crosses.
Which Pmaxx should I use and what tension do you recommend.
Thanks for all your help.
Thanks PV for the explanation. I have just have one of my APD Cortex with the LT/Scorpion 41/41 and really enjoying it. It is very soft and gentle on my arm, spin is just terrific, power is a little bit less than my normal setup which is really good and allows me to swing away at the ball a little harder so I find the power just perfect. Others who are new to this might guess that this setup would be impossibly different but this particular setup is not. I just love this setup and will convert my other racqets soon.
What tension were you using before the 41/41?
see my signature...Aeropro Drive Cortex Scorpion 1.22 50lbs X WT 17 53lbs
this setup is great also. lasted forever.
Is it still working for you?
Keep switching between Co Focus and Scorpion. Damn these German polys, damn them. It's now become like my picking between Scorpion and B5E mains. Each has its own delicious feel. I don't think I tried LT/CoFocus at proper tension, but even now, after settling them in, I think the WT/CoFocus bed is better. The Scorpion gives more control, yes, but I don't know. It just lacks that responsiveness.
Yes! It is amazing! I've got all sorts of control and my topspin forhands and backhands are crazy...diving down then accelerating and jumping off the court. My new pro keeps saying wow look at the spin you are putting on the ball and this is with a new grip that I am working on.
I just bought a new/used racket that had about one hour on it strung with a poly (forget which one) and I took it out this morning. Played 5 minutes and put it up. I am having it re-strung today with the same configuration.
Interestingly the strings don't pop back into place like my older setups did at a more normal strength and with the whisper touch in the crosses with Scorpion in the mains...that string was ready to fall apart and yet the strings continued to go back into proper position.
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