PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. alidisperanza

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    So true haha. I had my camera on a tripod and with bigger hitters, you feel like you're going to crack it with a back-swing. Not to mention, with heavy topspin, the ball conveniently floats up juuuuust to that level giving me a heart attack every time I fail to chase down a ball.
     
  2. Rozroz

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    what other options are there to put a camera out back?
    yea it's kind of a problem.. i can put it BEHIND the fence, if i play at a secure area ;)
     
  3. pvaudio

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    Yeah, you'd get good footage of the thief :lol:
     
  4. alidisperanza

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    Dave, I might just cave and pick up some Aerogel 200g(s) again... Seeing your pics in addition to borrowing a friends' the other night is doing bad things...bad things to my wallet
     
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    TW is a genius for setting up this board. People are always looking and talking about rackets, strings, shoes, clothes, etc. Some may love one brand, others may prefer another, but they usually wind up buying at the orange icon on the upper right hand of the screen. People are always looking for something new, latest, better, more powerful, better control, more comfortable, etc. so the search never ends. I think I'll go make a plastic surgery discussion board and cash in...1-800-PRETTYR
     
  6. alidisperanza

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    Haha. Indeed. I've messed around with a lot of frames but I've only ever been dedicated and owned more than 1 of the following:

    Radicals
    Microgel Prestige Mids
    Prince Original Graphites (just becuase I was able to get them for cheeeappp)

    I had a AG200 for a while and loved that frame-- I hit my fastest serve ever @ 133 (off the racquet) with it but alas it was too good to be true. It was a short affair and I smashed it on a very very very bad night. Only racquet I've ever mistreated.

    Strings...ugh strings are another story; I'm a wh*re
     
  7. pvaudio

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    Good God, 133? Strangely, I can believe it having seen your second serve. You explode up at the ball like a hybrid of Safin and Isner.

    Anyway, the AG200 was a great frame. The AG100 though was better IMO. The 4D200T combined the heft of the AG200 and the feel of the AG100 to create what's now my GOAT racquet. Curious to try the BM200T, but I don't want to end up liking it and have to buy some heh. Hopefully TW drops the price on the 4D200T so I can snag a few more.
     
  8. pvaudio

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    Ah they did! Will be buying 2-3 back ups next week :D
     
  9. pvaudio

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    I mean, it doesn't get much better than this:

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-D4D2T.html
     
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    352 swingweight??? good god! :shock:
     
  11. alidisperanza

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    It was a one time thing, never to happen again (Kevlar in the mains too!). For some reason I fell in love with the AG200. It was fantastic for playing doubles but lacking when I jumped on a singles court. Some time last year I tried the 4D 200 and simply couldn't stand it. They did a great job with the 4D 300 series but I felt like they nerfed the power of the 4D200. I tried hitting the ball as hard as I could and it simply wouldn't go. There was nothing on it, no pace, no spin. FWIW it could have been the crappy multi bed on the demo but it instantly turned me off.

    I never got to hit the AG100 until the new 4d100-- that gold and black looking thing. I hit it last week against a solid player and while it was an easy transition and solid hitting stick, it did nothing extra for me.

    I'm glad you're grabbing more sticks, it = more playtests.
     
  12. pvaudio

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    THANK YOU! The 4D200 is a shadow of the AG200. I demoed it from a local pro shop years ago along with the AG100. I hit 10 balls with it and played the next few years with the AG100. When I dropped the 4D200 off I said "This feels like a piece of plywood, I'll take 3 of the 100s". The salesman leaned over and said "Yeah...it's pretty dead" :lol:

    The 4D200T wasn't in yet, and it's not even remotely similar. It's the weight of the AG200 but so stable and lively at the same time. Just try it; I promise it's not even vaguely similar to the 4D200. I hated that racquet so much I returned the demo within 2 hours (no exaggeration).
     
  13. alidisperanza

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    Well, it makes sense. It would have been a nice racquet if it weren't a 2x4. The more open pattern of the Tour should give it just that little bit of pop. Even so, I like my chances with the AG200s. Used in great condition they're like 40 bucks shipped. That way I don't feel bad about collecting them/ playtesting them with random strings. Come to think about it though, the only string I ever played in the 200s was x-life hybrid
     
  14. pvaudio

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    What the heck is x-life? Sounds like a pop music band :lol:
     
  15. alidisperanza

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    Thank you Mods.

    X-life, formerly known as max touch, is a discontinued Dunlop string (or at least TW doesn't carry it anymore) It was a smooth technora kevlar based main with some special synthetic crosses. Great stuff


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    Hm, interesting. non sapevo che gamma vendeva kevlar. In verità ho una preferenza per Ashaway 17 e quel tipo che si trova nel dunlop combinazione

    Just noticed you posted in Italian in another thread :)
     
  18. djones23l

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    If you like that, you should try MSV Tecnora, pv. It's not too bad. I like Gamma Fusion Plus too.
     
  19. alidisperanza

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    Just looked that up on the european sites. Expensive stuff...
     
  20. pvaudio

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    Haha yes, I speak a spot of Italian. :)

    But I'm confused, if the kevlar in the X-life is Ashaway 17, why don't you just buy that plus whatever the cross was?
     
  21. alidisperanza

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    It's not. " I didn't know that gamma sold kevlar. In truth, I prefer ashaway 17 and the type that you find in the dunlop hybrid" Two different things. No accent on the "e"

    Ashaway is a much more abrasive kevlar while the x-life is smooth. Unfortunately they don't sell the technora aramid from Dunlop
     
  22. Up&comer

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    Nvm...........

    Thanks alidisperanza.
     
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  23. pvaudio

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    Ahh. I read that incorrectly; I thought you were saying that you like the Ashaway and the X-Life because they were the same thing. Like I said: little bit of Italian :)
     
  24. pvaudio

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    Oh, and I do know what you mean. The aramid in the Gamma hybrid is that same smooth type. The Prince Pro Blend also has smooth stuff although the hybrid is garbage overall.
     
  25. mikeler

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    Before I bought my stringer, I used Prince Pro Blend for years WITH string savers. Even though I was ignorant about strings, I'd hit a wall around the 15 to 20 hour mark and just get blown off the court. That is when the bright idea came along to string my own and the rest is internet history. :)
     
  26. pvaudio

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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-PROBL.html

    Interesting that when Djokovic was playing X-1 / ALU, he wouldn't break his mains in 30 minutes. I think it's safe to say he hits with more topspin than "Brad".
     
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    Scary that I knew exactly where you quoted that from before you explained it.
     
  28. mixedmedia

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    Yes, many thanks.
     
  29. mixedmedia

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    I know the discussion took a different turn, but if you have a minute at some point, PV, I'd really appreciate any info you can toss my way about the ItS (Iontec Salmon). I posted a few questions before and after your update. No worries if you're short on time or anything, though. Thanks, as always. :)
     
  30. pvaudio

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    Can you re-post them? I'd be glad to answer them :)
     
  31. mixedmedia

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    I think those are the ones I'm taking about. Thanks, PV!
     
  32. pvaudio

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    Ah!

    The strings are all radically different. Each is specialized to a certain type of player or situation. For example, Iontec and CoFocus are all around polys. They work well for just about all situations. However, CoFocus is the least playable of all of the ones listed. It shines the most as a cross. It makes for a very lively gut cross, however. Comparing that to Silverstring, and you get an overall outstanding poly. You can use it as a cross, but it creates a much firmer stringbed. You get less spin than with the CoFocus, but you have far more control for sure. I personally think that of the ones listed, Silverstring is the best in a full bed. Scorpion is also best in a hybrid, but is the supreme main string. It's not even close. Its characteristics allow you to fine tune your game to just about any flavor by choosing a respective cross string. Iontec, however, I've only tested in a full bed. If I had to rank them in full bed, I would do as follows:

    1. Silverstring 1.20
    2. Iontec
    3. Scorpion
    4. CoFocus

    If in a mains hybrid:

    1. Scorpion
    2. Silverstring
    3. Iontec
    4. CoFocus

    If in a cross hybrid:

    1. CoFocus
    2. Silverstring
    3. Scorpion
    -- Iontec (no idea how it would behave as a cross)

    So really it all depends on what you're looking for. Silverstring and Iontec are the two best overall. Iontec will give you more power around the court, but Silverstring is just about second only to Scorpion (as it turns out) when it comes to control. If you're hybriding, then Scorpion comes into its own due to its versatility. CoFocus, however, is only good as a cross. It's fairly generic otherwise. To put it another way, if I had to choose a string to use in a full bed for the rest of my life, I would choose Scorpion. Why? It gives control like Silverstring, but power of Iontec. While it doesn't have the feel that Iontec has, it's more than sufficient. It does not serve as well as Silverstring, but is definitely second in that category. If I was a high level doubles player, then Iontec would be the no brainer since its net feel is unmatched. Since I am an all-court player though, it'd be between Scorpion since it just feels best to me. Do note that I used to play Silverstring in full before I discovered Scorpion. So it's like this: hybriding Scorpion puts it far above anything that Silverstring can offer, but in full configuration, it's a step below Silverstring in overall balanced performance. For me, the variances in the parameters fits my game better when using Scorpion than any of the others.

    This post really didn't make much sense depending on how you read it, so let me try to clarify by player type:

    All-courter (extra control): Scorpion
    All-courter (extra feel): Iontec
    All-courter (perfectly balanced): Silverstring
    All-courter (hybrid only): Cofocus

    If you want it more specific:

    All-courter (control): Scorpion
    All-courter (feel): Iontec
    S&V: Silverstring
    Counterpuncher: Scorpion
    Baseliner (neutral strokes): Silverstring
    Baseliner (spin): Iontec
    Defensive: None of the above, all require active power generation

    Poly mains: Scorpion
    Poly crosses: CoFocus

    Hope that helped, and if not, I'll try to clarify a bit more :)
     
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  33. Hi I'm Ray

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    Thx for that
     
  34. TaihtDuhShaat

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    What a comprehensive review PV! thanks for that. I switched back from gut/poly to kevlar/poly so am going to try all the different poly crosses again including the iontec 1.20.
     
  35. mixedmedia

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    Awesome post, PV! Thank you. I love Scorpion as a cross, but I have been having some arm pain... And some people have said that while Scorp did that to them, SS did not. It sounds like ItS or B may not do much for me but I may give it a shot after full gut because of the comfort. Then SS. Then maybe back to Scorp. I think it may have something to do with me hitting too high in the frame too...
     
  36. alidisperanza

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    Placing an order from Mamba. any suggestions?
     
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    I really like Iontec Black 1.25. It's soft, has great control, feel but is not springy. I don't how that happens. For those who play with heavy topspin, Iontec Hexa 1.25.
     
  38. christo

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    PV, I just ordered a set of Silver String 17g for the mains and a half set of Pacific Classic NG 16L for the crosses in my 4D Tour 200. I'm a flat ball hitter not afraid to S&V, any input on this setup and what tension advice.
    Currently have BHR 16g mains and OG Micro 16 crosses 45x 50 tension, still feels too boardy although 50 degree weather in NorCal may have something to do with that
     
  39. alidisperanza

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    I would suggest you flip it around and place the NG on the mains and the SS on the crosses. Feels great for flat hitting especially if you like to come to the net. PV will have to help you with tension though, I can't speak for the new 200s
     
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    Kind of like a Federer setup? Works well for him I'd say
     
  41. alidisperanza

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    Alidisperanza, I'm curious as to why you string the poly cross three pounds tighter than the mains, as the generaly consensus is the string the crosses lower.

    Just curious if it plays better, I haven't tried it yet.
     
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    I string the poly lower, don't care so much if it is in the mains or crosses.
     
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    Yep. I was referring specifically to a gut mains poly cross hybrid.
     
  45. alidisperanza

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    I used to play high tensions with stiff strings. So naturally, gut feels very powerful to me. While I've successfully strung Gaucho at 58 on more than one occasion, the set I had was lying around for a while and I didn't want to take any chances. By stringing the poly higher, I tried to mitigate some of that free power gained from the Gut.

    Effectively, it stiffens up the string bed a touch. As you may have read, my first impressions a few weeks ago were "holy cr*ap loose." Now, after playing with poly at 49, I can comfortably hit with that setup. Normally though, you're absolutely right. People string the gut tighter and the poly looser-- I'm just wierd :confused:
     
  46. pvaudio

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    Decided to hit with the TOrnado/Xcel FO again tonight. Just like all Signum Pro offerings, it's just as crisp as the day I first used it. I think it has maybe 4 hours of play time on it, and I think the 5th hour is going to kill the Xcel.
     
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    PV - been reading your thread for a bit now...great, great info! I have one quick question...some back info first: currently using Silverstring 1.20/gosen ogms 17 in my new frame (Tecnifibre 320) at 53lbs, and so far feels great....

    after reading what you had to say in post #1932, I decided to order some Iontec to try it out (both regular and the black). Would I string the Iontec at the same tension as the Silverstring, or do you feel I should change it +/-? Do you have experience with the "black" compared to the regular Iontec?
     
  48. AlpineCadet

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    I've been playing with Polystar Strike vs Luxilon Savage the past half dozen string jobs, alternating between both of my frames, and agree with the informative/useful info in this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=399356

    Savage is a bit less powerful, but has a bit more bite. And depending on what you want out of your string pattern/frame, either could work well, but for me, I was looking for more depth and PS Strike seems okay thus far, but I do miss the extra bite off the Savage. I play USTA 4.0 in SoCal, but have improved my overall game the past two-three years to know what works for my game.
     
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    This is going to be very helpful to me and a couple friends I'm trying to suggest some things to, but I do have one question. Your full bed rankings put Scorpion 3rd, but in the 2nd paragraph, it seems Scorpion would be 1st? Did I read that right?
     
  50. mixedmedia

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    Hmm...And is a Scorp/CoF hybrid a possibility for you? (Or has that been suggested/tried before?)
     

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