PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. kybb

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    PV how long have you been playing tennis?
    For me is interesting how can you play with that swingweight that 200 tour has with so short swing from FH side. Wery nice wrist snap tough.
    I got inspired from your videos and took camera with me today... result is secretly hidden:)
     
  2. pvaudio

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    I first started playing tennis in 5th grad, but started playing "seriously" once high school started. Problem was that I was very overweight up until the beginning of college, so my actual skill couldn't be realized. When I got to college, specifically sophomore year, I decided that I wanted to "reset" my game. Instead of just playing to play, I wanted to actually be a good tennis player. So, I started taking lessons again and tried to play more(incidentally that was how I met my future wife because she was a student coach at the tennis complex). It's only been in this past year though that I've actually really been working hard at getting better. Slowly but surely, things are coming together. It's for the above reason that I decided to ditch my 1H and start working on 2H.

    It's interesting that you mention the short backswing. I used to have a huge loop for the longest time. I myself decided to make it far more compact. It forces me to use my body to accelerate the racquet instead of my arm like before. That's why I disagreed with the other poster about using too much arm: I can't arm the ball with this backswing. If I did, and there are a few in the videos, there is zero power. I close my chest to get the racquet behind me instead of swinging in a loop with my chest open. Then, if all goes well, I will finish having rotated my torso 180deg. Makes it so much easier to control the depth, power and amount of spin I want on a given ball. Just one aspect I noticed from his Federerness. Problem is I have to watch the ball far more carefully otherwise I just put junk over the net or shank the ball regardless.
     
  3. alidisperanza

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    You think that's bad? Try 16.5 34/35... They don't make my size!!! Slim fit shirts are short on me too so if I stretch to reach something they come untucked :evil:


    Hm... Food for thought
     
  4. pvaudio

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    SHould be hitting tomorrow, will likely have full review of Baseline/OGSM then.
     
  5. mberrevoets

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    I agree with you about the shorter back swing. I have been experimenting with that and I am finding I must use proper rotation in order to get power. I am finding a lot more consistency and power for sure. I feel I am making much cleaner contact too. I guess there is less to go wrong the shorter your swing.
     
  6. pvaudio

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    :) Makes making power soooooo effortless. Now if only I could serve like Federer, I'd be set! :D
     
  7. Sicamuni

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    A TW rep told me they will have the other Isospeed Baseline gauges in stock around April 22 :)
     
  8. rdis10093

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    I do love a good story about smashing racquets and tempers, please explain the .75 racquet.
     
  9. mikeler

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    What are you talking about? :confused:
     
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    wrong thread
     
  11. pvaudio

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    Haha it was in the racquet section "how many racquets do you have" thread. I don't smash my racquets ever, if I get mad, I drop it or throw it into the curtain lol. One of my AG100s has exactly the same issue, while all of the others are fine. It's about halfway down the handle too, but the racquet is still perfectly playable.
     
  12. syke

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    Huh? :confused:
     
  13. pvaudio

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    Look in the racquet section
     
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    Luxilon Adrenaline Rough 1.25mm / Yonex Tour Super 850 1.30mm

    Luxilon Adrenaline Rough 1.25mm / Yonex Tour Super 850 1.30mm

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    Stringing: I've strung this setup before as it's what I string for rdis10093 in real life. The Adrenaline Rough is a perfect mix of ALU Rough and Adrenaline. It's got that odd bumpy texture like ALUR, and coils up like a viper like Adrenaline does. Overall, nothing terrible. I hinted at in the last review that OGSM is one of the easiest strings to string: a top 5 for sure. Yonex 850 is easier. If I had to make a top 3 easiest strings to work with it would be, in order:

    1. Pro Supex Maxim Touch
    2. Yonex 850 16
    3. Gosen OGSM

    It just glides through everything so easily, no risk of breaking it, even though it ghosts a bit you can't tell due to its color, and it just feels extra soft. Even though his racquet has 20 crosses, needless to say, I don't really mind! Strung at 52/55lbs.
     
  15. rdis10093

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    looks good, please check your email.
     
  16. alidisperanza

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    Strange, the Adrenaline seems almost green-ish. Could just be the pure white of the Yonex in contrast. I think you'll like this setup as a middle of the road gig. I've played it with OGSM and would definitely hit it again.
     
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    Luckily the Yonex 850 16 is in the crosses. It was not that great as a full job.
     
  18. tistrapukcipeht

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    I agree to some extent.

    Playability, power, comfort and feel are there, but it is too soft to me even at 60/58 .

    That is why I didn't like it, control wasn't good.

    Now I have been playing for almost 3 weeks with the Poly Tour HS 1.25 and this is a real poly for control, at 50/48 I got it all going on my Xi 100, just complements my frames like gloves.

    The cost/performance ratio is the best for me with HS and I may give it a little try in hybrid with the 850 at higher tension and see what happens, but that would only happen when I decide to get a 3rd frame.
     
  19. pvaudio

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    Nope, I looked at it in photoshop. It indeed does have a hint of green. It's the same type of green that Lux Ace has, but it's not as pronounced.
     
  20. pvaudio

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    I did play with it tonight. Wasn't entirely impressed though. It felt, interestingly, as though it needed to break in. It wasn't feeling consistent. At the same time, I strung it an hour before my exam this afternoon so it literally had only 3.5 hours to settle.

    The Baseline/OGSM is quite honestly my new GOAT. It's just....it. That plus since my backhand is improving, I can make this delicious cannon sound off that wing that I can only do on my serve. Forehand never sounds like that oddly. For the first time ever, I prefer my backhand to my forehand.
     
  21. Up&comer

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    I know what you're talking about. I've always preferred my backhand, as I can consistently make that cannon sound off my backhand while my forehand only does it when I really rip it.
     
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  22. mctennis

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    Let us know how long this string combination ( Baseline/Gosen OGMSM) lasts before it goes dead or you cut it out.
     
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  23. pvaudio

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    I've never had that with my 1H. When I really step into it (which, might I say, is exactly what you advised me to do :) ), it just seems like the power comes so easily.


    Indeed I will. I don't know if I can do a full proper review of it, because it's just baseline good (no pun intended). No frills. I hit with the Lux/Yonex yesterday (truly only got about 20 mins), and the difference was startling. The Baseline/OGSM forces your technique. With the Lux mains, I was getting more spin on my shots, so they would land in if I didn't get enough RHS. With the Baseline/OGSM, it was more "not so fast!" because the same shot would sail long which told me my technique wasn't optimal. Technique improvement setup vs. improves your game setup :)
     
  24. pvaudio

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    And what in the world is OGMSM? :D
     
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    You're welcome :). Take a look at that thread about your backhand. I left something else I noticed.

    OG micro sheep micro?
     
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  26. rdis10093

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    there is four different stages to that setup imo

    1.break in stage (not so good of a setup)
    2. god like stage (great setup)
    3. drop in tension and playability (not so good due to tension change)
    4. eventually levels out (decent once one adjust to the constant)
     
  27. rdis10093

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    1. about half an hour
    2. 4 hour window
    3. dont know , just felt right at some point
    4. till string breaks

    in conclusion you have a four hour window of greatness. even after that though it is still very playable. So I guess this is kind of a higher end budget setup in my books.

    forgot to mention though strings do start to move alot which does get old fast.
     
  28. neesun

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    pvaudio 2 questions.

    1. Which performaxx natural gut do you like the most?

    2. Which performaxx natural gut would compare with Babolat VS Team 17?
     
  29. pvaudio

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    WhisperTouch Pro is my personal favorite (uncoated). Having not tried the new classic ones, I cannot say if one of them is closest, but from what I have tried, WT Pro is closest. It's truly nothing similar, however. It's far lower powered and stiffer feeling.
     
  30. pvaudio

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    Long story short: I am in love with Baseline/OGSM. It's preposterous. It's the cheapest string I've ever used, and yet, it just sings in this frame. It makes every ball just so much better. Why? It's the crispiest setup I've ever had.
     
  31. mixedmedia

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    Though not pvaudio, for me I'd say (for 1 and 2, though I'll probably try WT again) the Classic Premier, but they only have 16g right now. I haven't heard back when a thinner guage may be in. Perhaps you'll have more success getting a response.
     
  32. pvaudio

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    Isospeed Baseline Spin 1.20mm / Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g Natural

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    Stringing: Here's to me hoping that this setup is really good. No, just good enough would suffice.Why? This is the easiest setup I have ever strung, and if the playability is sufficient for my game, I'll switch to it just out of stringing ease and cost. It took two entire minutes less than anything else I've strung. Two minutes is a lot when I average around 20mins for full poly, and about a minute less for poly mains or full synthetic. I have never encountered a poly that is easier to handle than Isospeed Baseline. Honestly, Gamma Live Wire is more difficult to deal with. There is zero coil memory, it's floppy, supple in the hand, knots like butter and just zooms through grommets. OGSM already is one of the easiest crosses out there, but it's not the easiest (I think Maxim Touch is easier). I'd say top 5 easiest cross with the easiest poly I've ever handled, and you've got something that's actually enjoyable to string. Strung 51.5/55lbs.

    Groundstrokes: As I've been harping on recently about this stuff, I guess it's fair to say that I rather like it. This is difficult for me to review, and frankly, odd. I believe it was fgs that warned me that this would happen. This stuff is amazing. I mean, for me, super amazing. There is no other word for it: it's my favorite string setup of all time. First, a note or two.

    Although I'm not sure if I've said it too often, crispness is my most desired attribute in a string setup. It's why I loved Scorpion/gut and Tornado/Xcel so much. They offer a responsiveness that's unlike anything else. Note that they are not the highest rated in this thread, because the purpose of this is for me to try to use my limited amount of skill to provide an objective account of the string's performance. It's that clash that causes some misconceptions about the results of these playtests and in particular what caused the blowup about the L-Tec. In that review, I included my objective and then subjective ratings. In this review, I will do the same.

    I am not going to say that this is the BEST string setup in this thread. That would be ridiculous what with all of the natural gut being tested. But for me, this is it. The main reason is because it offers two things that I look for most. First, it is incredibly crisp. It has a response unlike anything else but a few other strings, two of which I mentioned above. It's also why I like Genesis SpinX so much, but do realize that it's not objectively that good. For me, however, I've yet to find something that matches what I've been looking for, and while I call it crispness, some call it responsiveness, and others by different names. Regardless, this hits the spot.

    Secondly, it is incredibly neutral. Why is that important? Well, this thread has a multitude of setups whose string cost alone would be over $20 (see Cyber Twirl / VS Team aka the WORST waste of my money I've ever been stupid enough to do willingly) because they're meant to enhance certain aspects of your game. That's wonderful, and that's usually exactly what you want from a string setup. I do fully appreciate that obviously. However, what I appreciate more is seeing that I've hit a great shot, or that my ball is causing my opponent trouble. When it's my technique that's resulting in such situations, that trumps fancy string setup enhancements every time. This neutrality is why I am an enormous fan of WC Silverstring. It does not let you do anything you cannot already do. It also will not detract anything from your game that you can already do. It just takes your skill, and transfers it to the ball. If that's into the net or into the fence, so be it. Improve your technique. If that's a winner, then that's the best feeling ever. The Baseline/OGSM falls into that realm.

    Given that I'm reconstructing my backhand, having neutral feedback on what sort of ball is coming off of my racquet is very valuable. It also means something else: you can never blame the racquet or the strings, so all you can do is play tennis. I probably talked my hitting partner's ear off about this because it's just so good to have something reliable with no frills. It's like my Honda: built superbly with everything you need, and nothing you don't. No excess, and yet no rough spots. For this latter criterion, Baseline/OGSM also takes the cake.
    Obj. Overall: 8.5/10

    Serves: I think I pretty well covered this string in the novel written above. There is nothing special here aside from a tasty cannon sound that only a couple strings can make consistently (RPM Blast, Tour Bite and Alien are others)
    Obj. Overall: 8.5/10

    Volleys: Very nice feel up at the net. The neutrality lets you guide the ball pretty well, but there's nothing stopping you from hitting it out. Overheads are relatively straight forward as well.
    Obj. Overall: 8.5/10

    Durability: I think I have 2-3 hours total on it so far, and while the OGSM is the color of ball fuzz, the poly is still snapping back fine. Truth be told, at this price and given how easy it is to string, if it lasts 6 hours for me, then that's gold. Add in the fact that I have 3-4 racquets and it's a non-issue.
    Obj. Overall: 9/10

    I think I covered my thoughts on this nicely in the groundstrokes section, so I won't waste any more of your time. From an overall standpoint, this is just a good string setup. It's just like any other string setup I've got in here that's had a high 8 rating. It just does things nicely all around. However, for me personally, I just found what I've been looking for. It's the crispness of NRG2 and the poly feel of WC Silverstring all in one nice package. A nice package that costs $2 a frame, and for that reason, I find it's second to none.

    Some of you at this point probably think that I'm out of my mind for calling the cheapest string setup I've ever tried as the best that I've ever tried. Here, money plays no part. It's just extra icing on the cake that the value is tremendous. When/if TW gets Baseline Spin back in stock, I'm scooping up at least two reels. So while I would say GO TRY IT, IT'S AMAZING! much like I have done with some of the natural gut reviews in here, I can't honestly do that. It's because I know that this is just what I personally have been looking for in doing this thread. I'm open minded enough to see that not everyone would feel the same way, so I give an objective assessment of a great value stringbed with no-frills playability.


    Obj. Overall: 8.75/10

    My Overall: GOAT
     
  33. mikeler

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    I think your objective ratings are subjective. Just kidding, don't want to argue semantics. :)
     
  34. pvaudio

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    Haha I know, that's the problem! I can't give a fully objective review, but I try my best. I try not to give super-subjective reviews unless I state otherwise, hence, I hope people are taking these opinions with a container of salt. :)
     
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    Interesting you like spin x. What tension do you string it at? I used to use genesis spin x silver 17 a lot. But I found it too stiff. But I was also stringing it at 62lbs... in my apd cortex. I still have most of a reel of it left. Have you tried spin x at a low tension? Say 50lbs?
     
  36. pvaudio

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    I used SpinX red at 55lbs when I did full, and then I also used it as a cross with VS mains at the same tension. SpinX though tends to have a plasticky sort of feel and turns into a rocket launcher when it dies.
     
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    Hmm, not sure if I should put up a full review of the Lux/850. rdis10093 assures me that it's set to turn into "god mode", so I guess I'll wait and see. Besides, I think I may have 1 hour total on it so far since I've been playing with the Baseline the majority of the time.
     
  38. rdis10093

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    Just saying man, we are not the same. The strings that I like, you may not like. We play pretty different games. I grew up on clay. I like to wait for my shots and not force anything unless I am pretty sure of the shot. For example, I think blackcode is sick, and if I remember correctly you not so much. Was not thrilled with head stuff, but it’s cool if you like it. (Can’t remember what it was called stuff that went with the M2.) If you think the string is crap, by all means then say it is not good. Don’t hold back tear it up. If it does not merit a review in your books, then that is your call. When I gave you the strings, I was just interested in your thoughts since you have played with more strings than I have. In the end the only thing I am sure of is that it is a good string for me and I like it.

    Cheers,
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    p.s.

    I am on the road to redemption in my current classes. Your advice helped.
     
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    Lol it's not crap at all. It's good. I only said I would wait because you said it changes depending on how long its been hit with. With only one hour on it, I don't think it's fair to call a judgment (regardless of how long it's been in the frame) :)

    And that's good to hear about the classes :)
     
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    Hmm, the baseline's not looking good. Moving around a lot, and I can see the OGSM is getting thinner and thinner. I think we're at 3-4 hours total and I can definitely feel a drop in playability too. It's losing its crisp feel, and the poly is certainly dying. Still, if you get half the playtime for 1/4 the cost, that's still a deal in my book. And considering it takes zero effort to string, win! Perhaps I will use some OGSM 18 instead next time to see if I can't get the crosses to break just as the poly goes completely dead. I anticipate that to be about 4-5 hours then.
     
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    Where did you get the baseline from? I saw it's no longer available on TW.
     
  42. jrxl

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    What value do you place on your time as it relates to more frequent stringing?
     
  43. pvaudio

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    jdunnie sent me some when he sent me the L-Tec :)
     
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    He has a backroom of first year engineering students and has convinced them that stringing is 73% of their grade.
     
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    Since I have very little of it, my time is important. However, I very much enjoy stringing and often use it as a study break. So, if I can have fun and get fresh strings, it's fine by me! :)
     
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    Ahem, it's a running lecture on tensile strength physics :D
     
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    I'm with you. There is a sweetspot though... When I was playing 17g syn gut w/o savers and breaking every 2-3 hours, there were times when I would think "I gotta string 2 racquets tonight? Again?! Eff this." 6 hours of play time is now my absolute minimum to keep stringing as a relaxing hobby.
     
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    Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out who this is:
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    I would like to know who it is since they're using my image without my consent. The image is from this playtest of Black Mamba: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5835005&postcount=1043

    I pay for my image hosting, so if you do wish to use one of my images, I have no problem but please do ask me first.
     
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    There are benefits of being a TA at a university. My students used to think I was so smart when I could answer their homework questions. Little did they know, I had the answer manual and would just study it 15 minutes before my office hours. :)
     
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    QUOTED FOR TRUTH :lol: :lol: :lol:
     

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