PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. pvaudio

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    I can't compare Iontec to the 3S hybrid since it's full poly. Unfortunately, I did not try OS/4S. I tested those strings given to me, and these were the two recommended hybrids from GG that I could make out of the four strings given me (I couldve done 5S/3S, but Pro/Gut is not a rec. hybrid while 3S/gut is). As I already know what I like and it costs a fraction of those, I'm going to stick with what I've got. I can get gut mains, Iontec Black crosses for less than the L-Tec poly hybrid. As it is, it's no coincidence that most reviews in here are hybrids. I prefer that feel, hence my comment about not preferring poly hybrids. I always tension the softer string a bit higher to try to get a more uniform string bed stiffness, coupled with the fact that they'll lose tension over the course of stringing.
     
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    pvaudio,

    First, thank you for the reviews. They've been very informative and insightful. I've been reading pretty much all of them whenever I need a break from dissertation writing.

    Second, I have a few string concerns that I'd appreciate your advice on. Like you, I really like Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.22 -- strung full bed at 55 lbs on a pair of Vantage 90" (364g strung weight and 31.5 cm balance). But the string is a bit stiff for my shoulder. Also it doesn't offer me enough power.

    I've tried several things to address the stiffness and lack of power of Scorpion. First, I dropped the tension to 40 lbs. I found a bit more power with a softer string bed. But my shoulder was still sore the next day if I did serve and volley. Then I tried multifilament strings. I've tried several for the past few months, such as Wilson Sensation, KLIP Excellerator, Technifibre NRG2 and X-1 Biphase -- all of which had 17 gauge. I liked NRG2 the most, but it was not cost effective. Wilson Sensation, thus far, has been the runner up in terms of power, softness, durability and cost.

    But things weren't this simple. Your thread on Scorpion turned everything upside down. In a sense, I'm convinced that I should give hybrids a try before giving up Scorpion all together. I can't quite afford gut -- even the Performaxx or Mamba gut. So, what is a good cross string for Scorpion that would give me soft string bed with some power? From your reviews, it seems that Mantis Comfort Synthetic is a good candidate. Also, would you recommend using soft multifilament strings, such as Iso-Speed Professional 17 and Technifibre Multi-Feel 17, in hybrids with Scorpion?

    Thank you for your help. Take care.
     
  3. pvaudio

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    It was in response to nothing. Kiteboard has simply taken his ramblings too far to the point of lying and fabricating numbers, and I ended up reporting it for that reason.
     
  4. pvaudio

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    Anyway, just got my sticks back from being strung locally. Quality? Excellent. Unfortunately, instead of being 52/47.5 (gut/poly), they're strung at 52/57.5. *Sigh.*
     
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  5. pvaudio

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    Indeed, I prefer Scorpion in a hybrid even though I do like it in full. Gut is not required also. I would not recommend stringing up the crosses with MCS as it is very low powered. Instead, try Forten Sweet synthetic gut. It's not going to be as lively as a multi, but almost certainly moreso than MCS. It's also fairly soft for a syn gut, so that could solve your shoulder issues too. Let me know! :)
     
  6. pvaudio

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    Thank you, mods, for cleaning that up.
     
  7. fortun8son

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    +1 Indeed they've been busy, recently.
     
  8. Torres

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    There's a big drop of in power once Scorpion starts going dead. It also becomes much stiffer and what little elasticity it has in the first place is gone. I cut it out after 5-6 hours. It's only really a good string when fresh (though not exceptional in any one particular area). 55lbs - if that's CP - is also pretty high for a 90 IMO.
     
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  9. polytheist

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    Scorpion not exceptional in control?
     
  10. Torres

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    ^ Personally, I wouldn't use the word 'exceptional'. It's good for control but not exceptional.
     
  11. pvaudio

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    Pro shop restrung the sticks, no questions asked. Very nice people too. Interestingly, unlike the first guy (and me and Dunlop's specifications for that matter), the second stringer tied my crosses off on cross strings. I could even see the ackempucky needed to awl through the grommet. Do have to say though: looks very much neater on the outside than the designated tieoffs. Guy's been doing it for a long time too, and the quality shows. Doesn't hurt that the store uses a Sensor Expert either :D
     
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    Ackempucky? I kinda like that. :)
     
  13. alidisperanza

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    I thnk 46 was the magic tension for me too. 48 just felt wrong until I stomped on the string bed, left it in the hot car, and had my friend abuse it for a bit :) 46 felt great off the bat.

    You addressed it in a later post... Gross error though. If you were closer, I'd offer my services but alas, a visit'll have to do. E-mail me more or less what town you're in now that you're settled.
     
  14. nickarnold2000

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    Hey, can anyone help out with a poly/gut hybrid tension question? :)
     
  15. pvaudio

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    Framingham, MA my friend. :)
     
  16. pvaudio

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    Going to try the Pmaxx/ITb today. Found a local teaching pro to hit against. Most of the people in this area are older 3.5ish people who only play doubles and singles if forced to (not the other way around)
     
  17. PigPen

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    Been difficult to get my current pmaxx order. Received notification that the owner is sick in the hospital. Hope he is ok. I have both classic and whispertouch on order.

    I'm trying different combos of NG and cofocus. First up was Tonic. I felt Tonic was good at a higher tension (56), but too powerful in the low 50s. Next up is Klip Legend. I also tried a full bed of Pacific Classic which had a nice crisp feel.

    I'm curious to hear what you have to say about pmaxx/iontec. Wondering how iontec compares with cofocus.
     
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    i grew up very nearby in harvard, ma. also worked a year or so in framingham for a good guy/architect named john ciccariello.
     
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  19. pvaudio

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    Butt was handed to me on a silver platter. It's very interesting, nonetheless. Whenever I play against people at the same NTRP level, but are my age, or at the very least hit with modern strokes, it's fairly easy to rally against them. There's lots of spin on the ball, predictable bounces, and pace I can work off of. Whenever I hit against anyone with the same NTRP but older, nuh uh. It's always flat or underspin. Never topspin. Just driving the ball through the court, low or lower bounces. Ugh. Very educational to say the least, and a great guy to hit with.
     
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    What NTRP level are you, PV?
     
  21. davedomart

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    what happened to torres?
     
  22. pvaudio

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    Don't got one! Whatcha see is whatcha get. :)

    I prefer hitting against 4.0 to 4.5 so I can play up though.
     
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    He and arche3 gnawed each other into ban-dom.
     
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    What a tragedy.
     
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    arche3 is back, torres still in limbo and He Who Must Not Be Named hasn't been heard from in almost a week.
     
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  26. rdis10093

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    alien is going to come out with a new string, and I get to play test it.
     
  27. pvaudio

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    ^^^ Is the NXT Control better than the 850?
     
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    By a landslide!
     
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    rumor has it got bageled by Jason. :shock:
     
  30. rdis10093

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    tottaly different strings. like night and day.
     
  31. pvaudio

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    I mean, all else is the same: tension, stick, mains. Just the cross.
     
  32. mikeler

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    NXT Control is the only Wilson string I like. It's really good. It does run a little thin for the gauge.
     
  33. PigPen

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    ITB/Performaxx

    PV,

    What did you think of the ITB/performaxx combo?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  34. pvaudio

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    I did a brief review of it on the prior page. It's pretty nice. I do have a feeling though that Iontec Salmon would be a better candidate for a cross, but in full, I prefer the black. Same feel, just a touch more control. Nonetheless, it's harder for me to evaluate since I have 3 racquets strung with it, two of which play similarly, and one which does not. The two are the ones I had strung by the pro shop here, and the other is the one I strung before I left. I prefer the feel of the one I did myself as the tension is lower. They use a Sensor which I know is notorious for overshoot, and perhaps they do not pull poly slowly, but the stringbed just feels a lot less lively and responsive compared to the one I did. As I mentioned, they also for some reason tied off on cross holes when the assigned tieoffs are obvious. Who knows. I'm hitting again tomorrow so I'll have a better estimate for you then.
     
  35. levy1

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    So if I read this right your favorite is natural gut with Iontec Black?
    BTW I have been using Pmax WT, I cannot get it right now, any suggestions in that price range?
     
  36. PigPen

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    Thanks for the mini-review. Despite the variables you mentioned, it seems like you prefer PMAXX with MSV. What are your top 3 gut/poly combos?

    Supposedly, my PMAXX order was shipped this week. I order both classic and WT. What tensions have you been having luck with?

    Thanks again.
     
  37. pvaudio

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    Not exactly. I still am a poly mains guy. I like the feel of poly more than I like the feel of gut. However, I'm doing gut/Iontec because I wanted to try the Supra gut. The MSV for sure yields the most spin. However, it's just spin and doesn't offer that much control. This setup offers more control but less spin. So with that said, they're equal.
     
  38. pvaudio

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    Mamba Supra. Harder to string, but the best of all the "cheap" guts.
     
  39. rdis10093

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    there is so much more feel. volleys feel so much better, but it still plays very well for the baseline.

    the alien string was not that new I guess, it was just a 17 gauge. TW is not selling it though for some some reason.
     
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    Trivial question (didn't want to bother starting a new thread) -

    Would there be any merit to putting a multi in the crosses (Mantis Comfort Synth with WC scorpion mains) at the same tension as the mains, to replicate the effect of stringing the crosses at a lower tension? Or should I just follow conventional wisdom and string the crosses 2ish lbs higher?
     
  41. pvaudio

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    Not unless you typically string the crosses higher. You only play at reference tension, and that's it. I string my crosses higher, some string theirs lower, some string them the same. It's all personal preference, really. The Yonex low tension cross reasoning I personally think is negligible considering on a normal frame, some of the crosses are shorter, and some are longer. You end up averaging out to about the same as having each cross being the same length. Now this creates a marked difference in stringbed stiffness and feel, yes, but again, you go by reference tension only.
     
  42. dadozen

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    Hey PV!

    I'm thinking about going back to WC strings( used 3 or 4 reels of Scorpion in the past 2 years ).

    I playtested B5E in my current IG Prestiges( customized ) and really liked it( although I never liked shaped strings ). I think that it suited the racquet very well, especially after the customization.

    I have 1 set of Scorpion coming my way, but I'm just wondering which one you prefer right now. I checked your last reviews about those 2 strings and still can't find out which one you like better:D

    Thanks!
     
  43. mikeler

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    He likes (I think) Scorpion better (because it is a better all around string for him). I believe he likes B5E too (because of spin and tension maintenance). I love (parantheses). :twisted:
     
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    He likes b5e too because of the control (low power) from the baseline (and spin of course) (I think).
     
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    Thank you guys( but I'll wait for his thoughts as well ). I'm sure he likes both of them( but I'm assuming that he likes one better ). Just wanted to check the reasons for each one of them( tensions stability / control ), and which one he is using( now ).
     
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    PV, I'm starting to experience arm pain with my Pure Drive Roddicks. I love how they play, so I'd rather not switch rackets. I've been using Tour Bite 1.20 and Adrenaline Rough at 50 pounds and 46 pounds respectively. With a hybrid at low tension, the pain is much less intense, but I lose durability too, from 8 hours to 2-3 hours. Is there any string, preferably polyester, that provides adequate control and spin while still being soft and having decent durability? Mainly I'm looking for soft and decent durability. Thanks
     
  47. pvaudio

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    Genesis Black Magic is likely the string you're looking for. You could also try WC Turbotwist, but it's high powered and your sticks are already rocket launchers.
     
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    Sorry to say, but I never did like Black Magic. Anything else you might suggest? I've played Polystar Energy too, and I recall it being softer than BM, but I don't really think I would like it in my new sticks. Maybe Iontec?
     
  49. pvaudio

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    Iontec black might work for you. Good idea. :)
     
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    I'm gonna try this on my Microgel Extreme Pro
    I guess I'll do B5E/Pacific Prime Gut 17 at 55/58
    Looking forward to this awesome string combination :D
     
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