PV Audio's Playtest Thread

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  1. JohnnyFive

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    Just noticed also the Discho Iontec 1.25mm.

    I forgot to mention I'm trying (at least for the time being) to keep as simple as possible. Prefer a one string setup, versus a hybrid.
     
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    Scorpion at 55 feels a bit harsh to me; try it lower.
     
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    You, my friend, are at a much higher level than I am. I am not sure my rec. would be suitable. Durability for me really only applies to synthetics. I don't break my poly before I either tire of it or I pop the crosses.
     
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    I'd try full Scorpion or full Iontec. I can't guarantee anything about the durability, however.
     
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    Haha your flattery is appreciated, but unnecessary :)
     
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    PV, I didn't see it, but would you say you prefer tornado or b5e? I can get tornado for cheap from Europe and I'm thinking about trying it out.
     
  7. pvaudio

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    Oh, do it. From Str World UK? It's worth it just to be able to offer it to customers since it's so cheap in comparison. In one of the reel v sets threads, that price means you end up paying something like the equivalent set price in USD means you get 2 reels for half the price of one here.
     
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    I actually just saw it on TW Europe for 80 Euros which is about 100 bucks, 75 less than in the US. I'm curious how it stacks up against B5E.
     
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    Feel free to shoot me any questions on Bhb7, I'm pretty familiar with it.

    If you're a moderate spin hitter, I would say that the durability is in the 10hr range? You'll need to worry about tension loss before popping. If you can pop it under 8hrs it's awesome.


    as for kevlar, Ashaway is one of the better kevlars that I've used. Hybrid it with poly in the crosses :twisted:
     
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    Did I miss the Supra review?
     
  11. JohnnyFive

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    Is the Kevlar main/BHB7 crosses a good hybrid? What tensions would you recommend for this racket?
     
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    I think I may have gotten through the entire thread now. Boy is it a long/informative thread. LOL. My eyes and head are killing me.

    PV: Unless I missed one or two, am I to assume that your favorite setups are as follows:

    WeissCANNON Black5Edge / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Pro
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5479699&postcount=509

    I'm a bit confused by the above hybrid. You rate it a 10 in terms of durability but state that they are fraying after only about a set of play.


    WT Pro / MSV Co Focus 1.23 Midnight Blue
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5875251&postcount=1162


    WeissCANNON Scorpion 1.22 / PerforMAXX WhisperTouch Natural Gut
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5468720&postcount=453


    Have I missed any in there? Any that you would recommend in terms of durability (how long they will last before they break or become unplayable)?


    And, thanks again. This thread is incredible.
     
  13. JohnnyFive

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    Is there even a way to buy the Performaxx strings any longer? Just searched on **** and found nothing. Searched google and found nothing there either, except for the Performaxx website with no real information on where to find them on ****.
     
  14. pvaudio

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    No, I haven't gotten to it yet haha.
     
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    The durability there is more of a "don't worry about it" than it actually being incredibly durable setup. Honestly don't know why I gave that a 10, call me overzealous :)
     
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    Are those, in fact, your three favorite setups currently? Of the three is there one which you would rate as the most durable?
     
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    And, does anyone know where I can buy the Performaxx?
     
  18. pvaudio

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    I have no appelations to this review as it played perfectly linearly until the stringbed exploded as in the pic from earlier lol. Very nice stuff, but hard to string.
     
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    Performaxx WhisperTouch / Discho Iontec Black 1.20mm

    Performaxx WhisperTouch / Discho Iontec Black 1.20mm

    No images, you know what WT and ITb look like anyway! :)

    Stringing: This stuff was obviously much easier than the Supra. Since I've string WT many many times before, I don't have any particular updates on how it goes. Strung 53/48lbs.

    Groundstrokes: This is nice, but it has to be said, there is still something missing. I don't know if it's the spin you'd expect, some extra feel, or what. It does not spin like CoFocus nor is there as much feel as with that gut/poly hybrid. There is one crucial difference, and I'll address that later. Until then, well done.
    Overall: 9.25/10

    Serves: Power comes like *snap*. Easy to get great action on the ball and placement is as simple as any other control oriented stringbed. Better than CoFocus crosses? No, but as mentioned above, there's something that makes it superior to be discussed shortly.
    Overall: 9.25/10

    Volleys: Traditional WT stiffer feel, but it's natural gut so volleying is cake. Nothing too interesting here.
    Overall: 9.5/10

    Durability: This is where this comes into its stride. Unlike Silverstring crosses which need to break in before they become great or CoFocus crosses which after the 5-6 hour mark start to make balls fly, this is the most linear gut mains stringbed I've used aside from the WC ones. From stringing until breakage, this played like the exact same stuff. That is particularly useful when you get to play say once a week like I can do at the moment. For that alone, I give this a high rating. Physical durability is similar to other gut/smooth poly setups.
    Overall: 9.75/10

    Much like Supra, this is outstanding all around. CoFocus offers more performance for some of the time, but this offers the same performance for all of the time. Given the cost, I do wish it had that extra spin, but truthfully, you won't be complaining about a lack of it for sure. Short version: great cross string.

    Overall: 9.45/10
     
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    PV, is there any way you could list your two or three favorite setups overall and, your two or three favorite NON Performaxx setups separately, just in case something is going on with production over there?

    There are many pros and a few cons to dealing with small manufacturers. One of the cons is obviously that they are much more susceptible to smaller factors limiting their production.
     
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    I would say that there are few pros and lots of cons, but the pros are much larger. But tomatoe, tomahto. :)

    Overall faves?

    1. Scorpion/WT
    2. Iontec full
    3. B5E/WT

    No gut? No problem.

    1. Scorpion full
    2. Iontec full
    3. Baseline/OGSM
     
  22. JohnnyFive

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    LOL. I like that. "No gut? No Problem." Should be the tagline for a big strings manufacturer.
     
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    As a starting point, using your same racket (200 AG 4d Tour), as a STARTING POINT (I realize that these are only suggestions as they relate to your own personal opinion), what tension would you recommend on the above three?

    Thanks again.
     
  24. pvaudio

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    Poly at 47, OGSM at 52.
     
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    Just noticed that TW doesn't stock Iontec. Bummer.
     
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    Where would you rank the BHB7 in there? Is it close? Or not really?
     
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    I'm a fan, but it's not in the same league for me as the others listed. Alidiesperanza is your BHB7 go-to man these days :)
     
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    PV, what is the benefit to going with one of your three favorite hybrids (1. Scorpion/WT, 2. Iontec full, 3. B5E/WT) versus a full bed natural gut like WT?
     
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    That is a very simple question, but at the same time incredibly complex question. Reason being, we're talking about completely different string types. The player who likes full poly likely won't like full gut. I personally like hybriding my favorite poly strings with gut if I can afford it. It brings out the best in the poly and keeps it playable for longer. Truthfully, you don't need to use natural gut to get the benefits of any given poly. Babolat Nvy is a plenty great substitute which does just about everything well. In the fall, I'm fairly sure I will use that as my go-to cross.
     
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    But, I guess what I was asking was, in terms of playability, what are the benefits of going all gut, versus your above three favorite hybrids?
     
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    That's pretty much the same question. You're asking, hybrid or not, what the benefits are of gut over poly. There are many, IF that's what you're looking for. You'd get a lot more feel and more power for two. But even that's too simple to be a fully accurate description.
     
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    Ok, so, what I'm trying to get is, if in fact you get more power AND better feel out of a full natural gut stringbed, versus a poly or poly/gut hybrid, why wouldn't everyone be using natural gut? Is it ONLY a cost issue? Or, are there, in fact, benefits to your hybrid NOT related to cost?

    Sorry to sound dense here, brother. I'm not meaning to. Just trying to figure out which way to go. Unfortunately (for me), when I was a junior, I paid much more attention to my racket and my tension, than I did the TYPE of string I was using. I'm now in my mid 30's so I'm trying to become more educated on this, and, frankly, my head is spinning with the information out there.

    I think it's a case of paralysis by analysis.
     
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    Dunno if Bhb7 would be a great cross here. I can't say I've personally tried it. Again, it comes down to whether you can pop it or not. I liked SilverString as a cross to kevlar, several of my friends who are very experienced with the Kevlar/poly combo prefer something a little more lively in the Alu line. An intermediate, I would say, is Adrenaline.

    Bhb7 plays fantastically on its own. I would suggest trying a full bed first and going from there. Right now, I'm leaning slightly towards B7 when compared to Iontec Black because just can't figure out where to string ItB in my yonexes to play nicely right off the bat. I'll have to string it up in one of my YT Rads to make a true comparison.
     
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    Do we know if Whispertouch can be strung at higher tensions (over 60lbs) in a full bed setup? Many of the off price/cheaper guts, like Mamba (even their Supra which is their highest end) can not be strung that high.
     
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    JohnnyFive:

    As PV has said, there isn't a simple answer to your question. However, no, cost isn't the only issue. Gut is very powerful (too much so for some) and poly is very low powered for the most part. By taking a string like polyester or co polyester such as scorpion or b5e, which provides lower power and more spin (more control), then hybriding it with gut, which softens the string bed, gives it some power, and adds feel to the string bed. Also, because poly has a limited lifespan, gut helps extend it by keeping the string bed playable because gut never goes dead.

    Bottom line is: polyesters and co polyesters have lower power, more spin, more control, less feel, and "go dead." Going dead happens in a relatively short timespan, maybe 10-12 hours at most, and is when polyester no longer has the original properties. Reason being, polyester is plastic, and if you hit plastic over and over, it will deform. This is going dead. Dead polyester is stiffer than when it starts, and can "die" in one of two ways. It will become springy and lose control or it will stiffen up and lose power and spin. Polyester also loses tension rapidly.

    Gut has tons of power (again, too much for some, which is why you hybrid with poly), ok spin, phenomenal feel, and it never goes dead. It also holds tension better than any other string out there.
     
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    But wouldn't stringing at higher tensions (maybe in the 60's) help harness some of that power? Which lead me to my previous question...some of the off brand or more inexpensive guts can't be strung in the 60's (let alone in the very high 60's like some of the Babolat VS guts can). Is that the case with these Performaxx guts?
     
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    You can string gut very high if you want but now you will be sacrificing durability and taking away some of the inherent power in the string. Nothing beats gut on serves or touch shots. I just was not able to flatten balls out on ground strokes with it at 60#. For a string that costs so much, I really want it to everything.
     
  38. pvaudio

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    ^^^Did you ever get to try the Performaxx I sent you? Or did you just use the Unibrow:)
     
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    Oh and Johnny, if you're going to use gut, keep in mind that WT is what I myself prefer, and I guess this is likely the biggest case of people unfortunately taking my reviews as suggestions. WT as a natural gut has a very unique feel. It doesn't feel at all like any of the Babolat, Klip or Pacific guts. It's much stiffer, and has less power. It is, however, the crispest of them all. If you read my Baseline/OGSM review, you'll see that crispness is something I absolutely love. Mikeler, as stated in his thread, does not look for crispness in his string feel.

    So while I chose WT and liked it, as did quite a few others, many others, Torres in particular, do not like the feel of WT. He's said repeatedly that it's too stiff feeling. So, if you're looking for a traditional gut feel, then WT is not for you at all. I've never tried their "classic" gut, so I can't comment on it, but again, please keep in mind that these reviews are just my opinion and in no way should resemble purchase advice.
     
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    I hit a few serves with the Performaxx and put it back in my bag. They broke in my bag after that. :(
     
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    Ditto here as well Mikeler. I had one racquet strung up and all I was doing was hitting warm up shots with the Performaxx gut strings. I put the racquet back in my racquet bag. I used another racquet that had been re-strung as well ( not with Performaxx gut btw) and when I went to get the Performaxx gut racquet back out the Performaxx gut was broken. I'm not impressed with it if it breaks that fast. Too expensive to re-order a set of strings that last less than 5 minutes.
     
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    Hey PV,

    In post 1932, you ranked Silverstring the best ( both in a full bed). Then in 2764 and 2821, you say Scorpion.

    Could you tell me the reason why you changed your mind?
     
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    Good friend, read the paragraph underneath it. I've never changed my mind. The point I made there is actually the point I've been desperately trying to make as of late. For ME, Scorpion is the best there is because it gives exactly what I am looking for. Not everyone, however, is looking for that feel. Silverstring, on the other hand, would pretty much suit anyone. SS and Scorpion flip flop back and forth between best and second best in the string categories, but in the ones that count for me, Scorpion comes out on top. But knowing that doesn't mean I'd recommend their 2nd tier string over their flagship as an introduction to Weisscannon. Check the reviews on TW's site for Scorpion 1.22 and Silverstring 1.20. You'll see what I'm talking about. :)
     
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    How does isospeed baseline Spin compare with iontec, and big hitter blue rough strictly in terms of spin? Thanks.
     
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    In that ascending order. :)
     
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    WC Scorpion 1.22/Genesis Thunderblast 16

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    Stringing: Didn't string this, so nothing interesting on that front. Strung 47/52.
     
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    pvaudio....just read one of your posts above where you mention Co-Focus crosses 'flying' balls after 5-6 hours. I haven't had that experience. To me, Co-Focus provides great playability for a long time. I've got Pacific Classic/Co Focus in my main stick right now and I'm probably going on 20-25 hours and it's playing beautifully.
     
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    Attaboy, using the Thunder Blast I sent your way. :)
     
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    Shalt not let a good gift be squandered, for therein lies the realm of the forlorn.

    -PV Audio, circa 2012

    :lol:
     
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    I like it!

    You going to be in BAAston for any of July? I'm officially free as of Tuesday-ish and wanna make a trip
     

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