PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. pvaudio

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    Adam, no I don't have revenge. I do have Mosquito Bite. There are four colors: pale flesh (white), black death (black), vein blue (blue) and blood red (red). I used to have all 4, but the middle two were the most popular, so I presume I have some of the red left. I'll check this afternoon and send you a text.
     
  2. pvaudio

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    I am a huge proponent of never restringing either mains or crosses. It's not a practice I endorse, but I won't knock anyone who does it. As far as the string, I have no idea what happened to it, but grommet breakage isn't unusual for natural gut. It's especially not odd for 1.20mm guts, and doubly so for WT which has had issues with that in the past. Luckily, if you contact the seller, he's been pretty good about replacing people's sets. Obviously I can't guarantee that he will since I have no association with him, but if you look in the performaxx thread, many people have had success doing that. Although I haven't tried to contact him myself lately (moved away from gut as much as I could), I've heard he's been intermittent lately.
     
  3. finalfantasy7

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    ok, yeh ive used his gut 3 times, this is the 1st time its happened
     
  4. UCSF2012

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    This is the reason why I put power pads on the bottom AND top of the strings. Shanks break natural gut. You did not hit the ball at the center of the stringbed. You hit it at the very top, near the frame.

    And in this particular case, you CAN'T restring just the mains. When you cut off the mains, the crosses come off with it.
     
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  5. rdis10093

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    actualy I found a set of lux rough in my bag, so if you have a red multi or syn that would be perfect. And if not well I guess I could do poly hybrid for what that is worth. I want red in the string bed though.
     
  6. finalfantasy7

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    thing is that when it broke i didnt shank, it was hit at centre, but i speak to my stringer 2mrow as he didnt string it this time - was his kid, but anyway dont want to derail this thread, thanks again for replies
     
  7. JT_2eighty

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    you can't restring only mains. That only works on crosses, as the tie-offs for the cross strings are On the main strings. It's also impossible due to the way racquets are clamped down, it's to combat the initial stress of tensioning main strings, which always have to be strung first.

    Long story short, if you break the mains, it is impossible to replace them, while the crosses is possible, but only advised to those who string their own who are careful enough to not damage their frame (clamp racquet before cutting, cut from throat to head, etc). Mains are always strung first, then crosses; so working backwards, only crosses can be replaced if mains are intact.

    Also as far as the breakage location, it could have been the result of an earlier shank at any point in time in the string job. Gut can weaken but not break outright. This is why some people have gut to snap in the bag a day or two after hitting with budget gut. Shanks and kinks don't necessarily break immediately, but then out of nowhere, even on a clean shot or while you are sleeping, break somewhere else in the frame.
     
  8. pvaudio

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    I would be careful in saying that it's impossible. It certainly is possible and I've seen it done before. You simply need to tie the crosses off on cross strings only (as Federer has his sticks done).
     
  9. finalfantasy7

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    ^dont worry, im gonna talk to stringer, this is 1st time its happened since ive been using him and it was strung by his son him himself, just the breakpoint is very weird, i will replace cross, just wanted to know about if it was considered good just replacing mains - NO is the answer,

    thanks for info appreciated, no point talking about it anymore, carry on with this thread
     
  10. pvaudio

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    Been getting a lot of the Biomimetic strings lately. To save money, I think I'm going to go Scorpion mains and S-Gut crosses. Also have Black Widow, Silk, Hexy Fiber and Juice. All are actually great strings aside from Silk which is flat out boring.
     
  11. ewberner

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    Did you find it to be soft at all? My experience when I used it as a cross was that it was quite stiff...
     
  12. pvaudio

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    No idea. Just finished stringing two sticks at 47/52 and I'll let you know. The black in the hand feels floppy unlike the yellow and white. It actually feels like Thunderblast or Xcel FO. :)
     
  13. ewberner

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    The s-gut is decent. I was referring to the silk. My bad for not making that clear.
     
  14. pvaudio

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    Oh the Silk? It's awful stuff, completely ruined my impressions of the BM demo sticks I tried until I cut it out and put in just regular Gosen OGSM.
     
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    I got a great deal on some for my buddy, silk, and HF are fantastically disappointing. He was totally bummed and went back to sensation. BW is great but womp on tension maintenance. Sgut is a very comfy cross.
     
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    Hey guys, random q, I got my friend a set of MCS too, does it have a funny smell?
     
  17. pvaudio

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    Haha yes, just wait until mikeler gets wind of your post. Or U&C. Or me for that matter, because yes, it has a delicious gluey smell :razz:
     
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    The smell is so wonderful--gluey high notes with menthol undertones.
     
  19. JT_2eighty

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    I thought this was a good experiment, and I also love WC mosquito bite, it is my favorite cross to gut, my go to setup.

    With that in mind, and with your initial ravings only to be overshadowed by the lack of longevity, I have the urge to explore this setup with some new main strings, since it seemed Barb Wire was the death of the setup.

    So a few setups that I am thinking of trying, mains that have good stability and 'bite':
    SP Tornado/WC MB
    Gen Typhoon/WC MB
    PS Turbo/WC MB

    If any of these shine I may post back a review or so, going to try typhoon/mb first.
     
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  20. mikeler

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    Yum yum! Silk is a stiff, crappy multi.
     
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    Gutex smells a lot like MCS
     
  22. mikeler

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    There are a few strings with this smell.
     
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    Gotcha, my buddy used the term "rancid" haha. He was like wtf did you give me!?
     
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    The proper term is "gluey goodness". MMMMMMMMMM, love that smell.
     
  25. ewberner

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    I have had that kind of smell with some cheap nylon strings like forten and ashaway.
     
  26. GarryClarke

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    pro supex maxim touch made my eyes water when i opened my parcel which contained 3 sets,it also stunk my house out,had to put it into 3 seperate sealed plastic zipper bags,havent been near it since lol
     
  27. pvaudio

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    Scorpion/S-Gut shall be my setup for the semester. I am not calling it closed on this thread, but it's just 85% as good as Thunderblast at a fraction of the price (balls included). I may try another syn gut cross, such as OGSM since it seems to be muting some of the Scorpion-ness. It's also less durable than Thunderblast. It's already coming apart and I only hit with it for an hour against rdis10093.
     
  28. ewberner

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    OGSM is the best price/performance syn. gut you will find.

    Which I am sure you already know..
     
  29. rdis10093

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    hmmm, a durable cross? perhaps forten nylon. jk.

    so it has been a while since I have played with a poly hybrid, what do you think the rough in the mains and the red weisscannon bug bite in the crosses or vice versa would play like? It would look sick for sure, but not sure how it would play.
     
  30. edwincen

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    just trying whisper touch 17 last night with adrenaline cross at 55/54, not really impressed for my first 2 hours of single play.
    Lack of power and spin especially compared with the big banger or yptp cross at same tension.
     
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    adrenaline rough is the best poly for the price.
     
  32. pvaudio

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    I am confused as to whther you're saying this is a fult of the gut or of your cross...
     
  33. pvaudio

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    Isospeed baseline, no contest.
     
  34. edwincen

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    I think its more on the cross, this is my first whisper touch experience though.
     
  35. finalfantasy7

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    I find that your right about power and spin compared to vs touch/team you can tell the difference, but for flat hitters like myself, I love it, as you get more control, and more feel, due to most guts are either too soft touch/team (for me it was), other cheap guts are too stiff, I find whispertouch is inbetween these, not soft/stiff
     
  36. pvaudio

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    So I went out today to practice, and before I started serving, I decided to see what the incoming view looks like. So, I set the camera on the teaching cart about 3 feet behind the baseline in a returner's position and then hit two first serves and then a second serve into the body. Coming up now is that video.

    http://youtu.be/SRiNgd_ZCgM?hd=1
     
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    I also spent some time working on my backhand. Since I have gotten some good comments on it from the receiving end, I am finished large-scale modifying it. As like above, coming up now is that video. :)

    http://youtu.be/um0N0g4Y5aM?hd=1
     
  38. pvaudio

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    Indeed, WT is on the stiffer side, but it does not play like a stiff gut. Many of the performaxx offerings play closer to multis as they are so stiff.
     
  39. mikeler

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    Nice vids. Form looks good on both the backhand and serve. I think I'll pick on your forehand if we ever play. :twisted:
     
  40. Up&comer

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    I was thinking low slice approach to the forehand all day :).
     
  41. finalfantasy7

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    i forgot to type that to me it plays very similar to NRG2 but stiffer - similar characteristics
     
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  42. pvaudio

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    This is the antithesis of Rafa :lol:
     
  43. Up&comer

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    An it's just as effective. I use that play against almost anyone: crosscourt backhand, slice down the line, charge the net. Very few players can do anything but try a sharp crosscourt, which is pretty easy to cover, or a down the line, which is very low percentage and still pretty easy to cover. I pride myself on overheads, so lobs aren't a big problem.
     
  44. pvaudio

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    What would you say is the most effective play against you? So basically, what is your foil?
     
  45. pvaudio

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    Haha I forgot I bought a set of polylon ice blue this summer to measure out string lengths (I don't particularly trust stringers in cities I don't live in when handing them reels of string they've never heard of i.e. Scorpion and Thunderblast), but I never did use it. Perhaps that's a playtest for another day. :)
     
  46. Up&comer

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    To take control of points. If you let me dictate play, I'm a pain to play. If you can keep me from being offensive, or, more importantly, you can be aggressive, it makes it difficult for me to win.

    The most effective thing to do is go hard crosscourt to my forehand or hard down the line to my forehand. While I can take control of the points with my forehand, it isn't particularly fundamentally sound. It gets a little...I guess floppy is the word. My backhand is solid and I can redirect pace very well as well as attack. I was always such a handsy player that I moved the ball around rather than get good solid stroke on the forehand. It just doesn't hold up well against hard, deep pace.
     
  47. pvaudio

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    Which are worse to the backhand, low balls or high? I play regularly against two players who each deal with this problem.
     
  48. Up&comer

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    Unless it's a really high ball and I don't catch it early, I don't really have a problem with either. I might have to slice a really low one, and I might not be able to fully drive a high backhand, but neither really trouble me. The worst by far is dealing with hard pace to my forehand.
     
  49. BigM

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    Interesting footwork on this backhand. Looks like you have good rhythm and would reflect pace very well. Do you sometimes have problems with contact that is too close to your body? Looks pretty smooth.

    BigM.
     
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    Many thanks, and yes, close contact is an issue. :)
     

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