PV Audio's Playtest Thread

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  1. edwincen

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    Its a nice string for hybrid, especially for crosses.
    I used to try it with alu power and it is my favorite for rqis 1 tour.
     
  2. edwincen

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    Hit with it for 30 min only then i shank the ball and my wrist hurts, the court in my place has real bad lighting, they use a yellow spotlight. Can you imagine how to play at night with that kind of light?
    For me WT is quite stiff for nat gut, the combo shines at serves and topspins, still can't say much at the moment. But the tension drops about 10% after only 30min of play.
     
  3. fortun8son

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    If it has a nano-fullerene coating, you should play with Bucky Balls. :)
     
  4. mykoh

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    hmmm didn't sound like a very good first impression. i've been using silverstring in the crosses and i don't think it drops as much in that short a time..
     
  5. souledge

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    PV Audio, out of the following setups that you tested, which one was your favorite?

    BHBR 17
    BHBR 17 / WT 17
    WT Pro 17 / MSV CoFocus 17
    B5E 17 / WT Pro 17
    WT (Pro) 17 / SPPP 17
    SPPP 17 / WT (Pro) 17
    Scorpion 17 / WhisperTouch 17L

    And what is WT Pro? I'm on Performaxx's website and I only see WhisperTouch.
     
  6. edwincen

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    Yeap, not a good impression. Not sure its a stringer or the string itself.
     
  7. pvaudio

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    Out of those, Scorpion/WT (there's only WT 17L, not both). It's because I like the poly feel the best, and the gut just gives it the few extra beans it needs to be the whole enchilada.

    WT Pro is the uncoated version. Like Pacific gut, WT gut comes with a very glossy polyurethane looking coating. The Pro does not come with this coating which when in the mains gives a bit more feel. As it's stiffer, it's not as noticeable as say with Klip coated v. uncoated, but it's still nice.
     
  8. souledge

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    I love and hate this thread at the same time.....my eyes light up seeing all the combinations to playtest, and my wallet cries in anguish.

    Thanks for the good info.
     
  9. Up&comer

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    Pv, I'm not sure if you've tried SPPP hex, but I was wondering if there was anything similar between it and bhb7. Thanks.

    Edit: This isn't supposed to be a thumbs downed post.
     
  10. pvaudio

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    Indeed, I was gifted a half reel of it back in 2009. The 1.18mm I believe, but I'd have to go check.

    Truth be told, I would say that everything is between the two. BHB7 is a great poly, but as an overall string isn't as good as SPP Hex IMO. Reason being, when the gears wear off, Hex turns into SPPP which is in my opinion a top 5 all around poly. BHB7 is really just a baseliner's string. It also, obviously, doesn't compete in terms of tension stability. That said, the one string I would suggest if you haven't tried it would be Tornado. It is very easy to tell that it's from the Signum Pro family, but it gives the sort of "bitey" feel that BHB7 does at first.
     
  11. Up&comer

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    Cool. I really like the hex, I was just wondering about the bhb7.

    Thanks!
     
  12. souledge

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    Would you say BHBR or Tour Bite work better in the mains or crosses in a guy poly hybrid? I'm thinking mains.
     
  13. finalfantasy7

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    neither, go for co-focus as cross with gut - set up is brilliant, everything just stays in
     
  14. pvaudio

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    ^^^I wouldn't go that far, but it is very spinny.

    As for the original question, both of those polys should be mains or full bed only.
     
  15. Up&comer

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    Indeed. They both make for some of my favorite mains for a poly/gut setup.
     
  16. Boricua

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    How does Tornado compare to Weiss Cannon B5E?
     
  17. pvaudio

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    It really doesn't, they aren't similar. B5E has far superior control, but Tornado is much more responsive. They're both baseliner's strings, but Tornado is better than B5E if you want a full bed. If you want a hybrid, then B5E is your choice because it's sort of like having pasta vs. gnocchi: you can make absolutely anything with pasta to suit your tastes, but gnocchi is pretty much on its own. In this analogy, B5E can be used with many many crosses to get a specific feel whereas Tornado dominates any stringbed that it's in.
     
  18. mikeler

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    Mama Mia that is a great comparison.
     
  19. pvaudio

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    Grazie mikelerio!
     
  20. Boricua

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    So if I want the control of B5E and the responsiveness of Tornado, what is a good poly in full bed with both characteristics, lets say the best macaroni in town?
     
  21. pvaudio

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    The best overall compromise I've found is still Scorpion. It takes what I like about both strings and combines them into one. It's not as supreme as either, but since it gets above average marks in everything, I still give it the nod. HOWEVER! This is me, so your mileage may and likely will vary. Torres for instance does not find Scorpion good at all. kiteboard also hates it for other reasons. Truth be told, if youre looking to find a poly which plays exactly how I like poly, try Isospeed Baseline Spin. Even if you buy a reel of it, you can still turn it for a profit if you're a stringer. I do not recommend buying reels of string you've never tried, however.
     
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    Since I'm running low on Scorpion and don't have the money to buy another reel, I think I'm going to switch strings so I can let my clients use up the rest of the Scorpion. I would use B5E, but it needs a really good cross string to shine (in my opinion, gut, but no cashola for that right now). So instead, I'll use a string which I haven't actually playtested in this thread but have used and know to be good. String of choice: Pro Supex BAM. Probably the most responsive and crisp poly on the market, so I think that in a hybrid with my new fave S-Gut crosses should suffice. I just bought another entire reel of BAM for 20 bucks from the Depot having accrued so many points haha. The stuff flew off the reel last semester! Will post a formal playtest of the stuff in my new frame (only used it in the AG100 and AG200).
     
  23. finalfantasy7

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    Pv- have you/will you ever try Yonex poly tour pro?. I know thrs a few threads about it but would want another opinion
     
  24. rdis10093

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    no reels, you think that means that they are going to stop producing it. Its a nice string very dead feal with low power. first genration poly I think.
     
  25. rdis10093

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    also starting to find it with the 95, but still not sure if I am going to make the switch. you used to use the rdis 93, how come you switched away from it?
     
  26. pvaudio

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    Are you talking about your Revenge? It feels like I'm hitting with the frame IMO.
     
  27. pvaudio

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    It doesn't have the flex that I like. Yonex frames feel solid, but the 93 did not have enough flex for how much it weighed. The AG100 is super flexy and reminded me of why I loved Dunlops so much (I'd been using the AG200 before I demoed and bought an RDiS). I only used it for a few months before the AG100 became reasonable to buy.
     
  28. rdis10093

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    yeah revenge.
     
  29. rdis10093

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    haha that's funny I hate flexy frames, but whatever makes you play well I guess.

    ps

    I am never playing with guy agian. to rich for my blood and frays like sin.
     
  30. pvaudio

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    Indeed, it's why I like Performaxx (aside from liking the product). It's half the price of the expensive ones, so I can afford to use it as a cross.

    Since I'm cheap now though, I use syn gut lol. I really want a reel of Nvy though, because that really is the best synthetic cross. Perhaps I'll just man up and buy one.
     
  31. Boricua

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    What would be the 5 best black copolys in a full job. Im a baseliner that hits with topspin on both sides, slice backhand alot and one handed backhand
     
  32. pvaudio

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    Long shot, but does anybody know what the playability differences in S-Gut are? I have white, black and yellow. Doing BAM mains, but I want the crosses to pop as the poly dies and to have the least sliding friction. The black has a coating on it which is slightly gummy, whereas the white is much stiffer feeling. I'm thinking the white unless someone has other ideas (also have OGSM 17, 18 and Super 16L).
     
  33. Torres

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    Not true. I actually like Scorpion - see my Played With The Scorpion Tonight thread.

    I think its a good string. Like you I agree its a good around poly. I also like the way it feels.

    But for me two things hold it back from being a great 'pure outright performance' string.

    One, lack of significant spin potential. Spin tends to be disruptive to opponents and hitting a heavy ball allows you to press your game onto them more readily. I don't feel I'm pressing my game onto my opponents quite as much with this string. Obviously some spin potential is there, just not as much as the best spin polys out there. Personally I like hitting flat not least because of that meaty contact sensation but you have to be 100% on whereas spin and heavy achieves better margins and competitive results the rest of the time even if when striking the ball it doesn't feel as satisfying. Its that pleasure v results thing.

    Two, its more comfortable and powerful when fresh. I don't like stringbeds or strings that tighten over time with hitting. Tension maintenance is good but doesn't mean much if the string has lost whatever elasticity it had in the first place.

    Solid hitting string though. I played my best match of 2011 with a racquet strung with Scorpion. Though it was a combination of string, leaded Prestige MP, me being in the zone that day, and a big flat hitting Berdych style of opponent that played into my style of game. My flat serving was amazing that day. I remember that match well.
     
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  34. pvaudio

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    Ah yes, I stand corrected. I was thinking of your views on B5E. :)
     
  35. Torres

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    No, I'm not keen on that one!
     
  36. pvaudio

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    Strung up BAM/S-Gut 17 at 47/52. Will take pics and make a formal playtest.
     
  37. pvaudio

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    Never tried, but heard it's excellent. I have many many strings though, so the only one I've added this year for my clients is Discho Iontec Black (just bought a reel of N.vY for me and still have my reel of Baseline Spin for when I get really cheap this winter).

    I actually have a number of strings which I have in decent quantities but aren't available for my customers. They are:

    Laserfibre SNGPS
    Isospeed Baseline Spin
    Babolat N.vY
    Genesis Thunderblast

    Reasoning for each is as follows:

    1. Last time I went to use a full set, they'd been cheap and sent me only 35ft instead of 40. Not taking that chance again. **** Laserfibre, even as a cross, because two of the 6 sets I bought were their regular syn gut in SNGPS packaging. Not endorsing those thieves.

    2. It's simply too inexpensive to make any good-conscience money from. I have given it to players who want more spin and more durability than syn gut, but without paying more, so even then, I'm making lots of money off of it. But for that reason, I can't put it in my inventory since I can only recommend it on a case by case basis.

    3. Learned my lesson with pushing Scorpion, so NvY shall be for me only since if I didn't literally have 4-5 clients using Scorpion, I'd still have enough to use it myself :lol:

    4. The ball-marking is unacceptable. Although they now have natural colored versions out, mikeler gave me a great deal on the remainder of his reel of the black. The string is outstanding, but since many of the players I hit with aren't using my balls, putting waffle marks on the tennis balls just looks bad.
     
  38. pvaudio

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    Played an hour with the BAM/S-Gut. Strangely stiff feeling, perhaps the cross is not right. N.vY gets here around the end of the week, and given that it's softer, I think that might be the trick. Regardless, simply absurd spin from that stuff. Also finally changed the FH for good: no wrist pain, superb RHS, greater accuracy and no shanks. Lovely :twisted:
     
  39. mikeler

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    There are so many other people at my club now that use black strings which bleed that I'm just used to seeing it.
     
  40. pvaudio

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    Hmm not so much over here. Most people are using syn guts, full poly or very simple hybrids. Only the more, dare I say "advanced" players bother with string fiddling. No one aside from rdis10093 has, as far as I know, even heard of Genesis.
     
  41. mikeler

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    One guy I know plays with Genesis Black Magic and another guy plays with some unknown black string. I'll ask him what it is next time. Both of them bleed black on the ball.
     
  42. pvaudio

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    Pro Supex Big Ace Micro / Dunlop S-Gut 17g

    Pro Supex Big Ace Micro / Dunlop S-Gut 17g

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    Stringing: This is a fairly straight forward stringjob. BAM is one of those easy to work with polys, so there was no issue there. Having used it in full bed, it's quite easy to weave as well, but that's obviously not relevant. S-Gut in the white/clear form that I have here is, however, different than the black. I presume it plays as such because while the black is very soft and easy to weave, the white is much stiffer feeling. It's not hard to weave at all, but the black (even by just looking at how tension is pulled) is a softer string. Nonetheless, nothing bad to report. Cranked out this frame in my new personal best, 17:02 and didn't bother with straightening/finishing touches as can be seen above. To put it another way for people wondering how to speed up your times, straightening as you go/tension saves a huge amount of time in the end. Strung at 47/52.

    Groundstrokes: This is a quality all-court setup as BAM is known to be. Oddly, it feels a lot stiffer than I was expecting. In hybrid form, BAM has lost some of its innate crispness in lieu of a stiffer feeling stringbed. Personally, that's not what I'm looking for so next time I will use a different cross (I carry three sticks typically. Two of them are strung like this and one of which has yet to be strung.) to see if I can get a softer feeling. Again, I would use Thunderblast, but I tire of the black markings on the balls. N.vY will be here soon, so I will wait until it arrives to string the third racquet and then do a side-by-side.

    Enough of that, let's talk about playability. As can be expected, this setup has great spin. It's not full poly spin, nor should you expect that from any hybrid apart from gut mains. Slices in particular are usually very low, and very reliable since you can control easily what sort of spin you put on it. Flatter, offensive slices are easy and fluffier defensive slices are easy as well. Simply change how you hit it, and the string takes care of the rest just like good poly should.

    It doesn't, however, make the ball skid like BHB7 or something similar does. Nonetheless, you can really feel the bite on strokes, and BAM is one of those few polys that makes a gunshot sound when you connect. For reference, others are Tour Bite, Isospeed Baseline and Lux ALU. The spin is one thing, but this also has great control. It's not Scorpion level, but truth be told, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a poly with greater control than Scorpion. It does have the responsiveness I like, so you get really nice feedback on how well you just hit a given ball. Good stuff.
    Overall: 9.25/10

    Serves: Much the same story here. Good pop, but nothing excessive. It's the bite on second serves that you really notice, and as I've said before, few FEW smooth polys give the spin that BAM does. It's evident here. Added bonus is the .30-06 sound when you hit a flat serve :D
    Overall: 9/10

    Volleys: Not the best in the world, but you won't be let down like with most poly beds or poly hybrids. The power level is low enough that you don't have to fear launching balls haphazardly, but not quite high enough that you feel confident really punching into a putaway. This is where Thunderblast really can't be beat: by turning a poly main stringbed into a usable net-player's setup.
    Overall: 8.5/10

    Durability: This is a hard section to rate. If you don't know either of these two strings, BAM is 1.15mm and S-Gut 17 is 1.22mm before tensioning. You're likely wondering what on earth is my problem in choosing what is likely a low durability setup. The problem is this:

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    As posted in another thread, this is Scorpion/S-Gut 16 at around the 7-8 hour mark. I've completely killed the Scorpion, but the cross (1.30mm) has not popped. So, in essence, you end up wasting the cross. Luckily we're not talking real gut here, so cutting it out won't make you wince. Nonetheless, I wanted to find a setup where the crosses will pop right around the time the poly mains die. BAM is above average in tension stability (not WeissCANNON level, but aside from Signum Pro, no one else is), and doesn't fall off a cliff when it dies. It lets you know when it's reaching the end of its life like WC and Signum Pro polys do. Hopefully the combination of thin main and thin cross will yield a setup whereby as soon as the poly gets half-way to death, the crosses pop.
    Overall: Irrelevant/10

    I think each section summed it up better than a typical overall summary. I want a crispy stringbed that will last around the time that Scorpion does, but around that time, I want the crosses to break. In other words, I want to get as much out of the stringbed as I can. The white S-Gut is a bit stiff feeling, so perhaps the black or N.vY will be better, but overall, this is quite a nice setup for me. I would not recommend it therefore if you have elbow issues since you do get a lot of feedback. To me, that's a good thing, but if you have TE, that's typically the last thing you want.


    Overall: 9.1/10
     
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  43. tennisnut09

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    Hi PV,
    Can I ask for the full name of WT pro. Thanks!
     
  44. pvaudio

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    Indeed, Performaxx WhisperTouch Pro.
     
  45. tennisnut09

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    Thank you! since the WT pro is no longer available in the market? Do you recommend any other strings that play similar to this string.
     
  46. pvaudio

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    Truthfully if you're going to go for a natural gut but don't want to shell out the huge dollars, Pacific Classic really is the only choice IMO. I don't think it's coincidence that I like both WT and Classic so much (if you don't know what I'm referring to, don't worry about it :) ).
     
  47. souledge

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    Is there really a huge difference between a full bed of Classic / WT and Prime / VS / NG?
     
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    QFT. I've had more than a few people post in my Pac x CoF thread about switching over from Klip and the like. While I suspect that Wilson now is the best natty gut out there, I definitely don't think it's 50% better than Pac.

    15-20% maybe, but not 50. :)
     
  49. pvaudio

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    Ahh N.vY is here finally. Anyone jealous? Hah...hah...hah. :D
     
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    poly or multi?
     

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