PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. pvaudio

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    All six of my 4d200Ts are fantastically similar. Four are identical to the gram, and then the other two are identical, but two grams lighter than the other four.
     
  2. Teniludius

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    If you replace the Prestige Pro's leather grip with a synthetic grip you could significantly alter the balance and feel, so I'd recommend caution. A Head leather grip weighs ~23g, while synthetic grips typically weigh ~15g, and an 8 gram difference in the handle is pretty significant! I have read, though, that the Gamma Hi-Tech Perforated is one of the heaviest synthetics, so if you want to go synthetic you could try it. (There's a thread in the sticky in the "Other Equipment" section on leather vs sythetic grip weight, where a bunch of the weights of grips are listed.) As for the Babolat Skin Feel, it's probably the thinnest grip out there, and basically brings you down a grip size; moreover it's extremely light and so would significantly alter the balance.--That said, if I really liked the feel and balance of the racquet but struggled with the leather, I'd probably just invest some extra money to get a Fairway or **** or Priority 1 leather grip, which would be much softer.
     
  3. pvaudio

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    Already taken into account doc! The Hi-Tec is the one I've decided to use.
     
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    And if you don't like them, you can take them off and put something else on.
     
  5. ushynoti

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    So is Weiss Cannon and Whispertouch gut still the top in your book, pvaudio?
     
  6. Logic Dude

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    Well, since Up&comer seems to be on a break, I'll ask you as well.

    I've been using Signum Pro strings, mostly SPPP because it seems to hold tension really well, and I'm curious as to what might give similar performance at a similar price with a little more spin (the one thing it seems to lack). Thanks!

    I loved reading through your thread by the way!
     
  7. pvaudio

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    So sad :( :( :(

    Time to send in the Pros since my demo period is up. I don't want to wait two days until I get my own haha. Went serving with it tonight....feisty!
     
  8. pvaudio

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    Yep, Scorpion is still my favorite poly, and if I could cross it with anything, it'd be WT gut. However, I can't afford gut anymore and I have exactly one set of Scorpion left. I have Yonex PTP coming in (yellow), so hopefully if all the raves are real, that'll become my new go-to string. If it is good, I'll try the graphite because the yellow is ugly haha.
     
  9. pvaudio

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    That frankly is an impossible question to answer. SPPP, in my view, is the best overall poly on the market. It does everything above average besides look good haha. You're going to have to trade something. It's like a pick 3 situation: playability, price, durability. In your situation, you already have those 3, so you are going to have to go up on one, down on the other. Perhaps a thinner gauge SPPP (break sooner), or Tornado (more expensive).
     
  10. COPEY

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    Hey PV, you don't think SPP HEXtreme would be what he's looking for?
     
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    I did consider this, and I actually JUST strung two frames with SPPHEX, but it's 3 dollars more. But yes, when it does wear down it becomes regular old SPPP, that's a good bet. Interestingly, and perhaps it's due to the gears, SPP Hex strings like a nasty poly: stiff, recalcitrant and sharp. SPPP doesn't. Plus, you can only get Hex in 1.25mm, so you better like that gauge! :)
     
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    I hear ya, but I figure if it gets him the performance he's looking for, he could always opt to pick up a reel across the water. Can't beat that price!

    Recalcitrant, huh? I suppose you have to make use of the $50 words somewhere because I'm sure you're not afforded the opportunity in every day conversation lol.
     
  13. Logic Dude

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    Thanks for the help! I'll try the hex and a smaller gauge and see how those go.
     
  14. Fuji

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    Hey PV, is the new Dunlop Ice possibly in the future for a test? :razz:

    -Fuji
     
  15. pvaudio

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    I looked at it and it has some...interesting talking points. I'm not sure, we'll see if there's some huge buzz once people start trying it. Next for me is Yonex Poly Tour Pro (yellow). It's going to look HIDEOUS, so hopefully I didn't make a mistake in buying it in reel form as Copey said, across the pond. I wasn't sure if the graphite plays the same and if it doesn't (Iontec Salmon and Iontec Black aren't even similar, as an example), then I'd rather take the ugly fantastic string.
     
  16. Torres

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    I don't think there a huge number of raves about it - certainly not from me anyway. It's a not a bad string, good(ish) would be the way I'd describe it (with the emphasis on ish). It's main strength is that it plays very consistently but there's no 'shazam' factor as far as I'm concerned.

    The main downside I'd say is that the feel/feedback is a bit muted (which shouldn't really bother anyone who plays a big baseline game), and spin is okay but not as great as the best 'spin' orientated strings.

    That said, I don't think it plays that differently to Scorpion, the main difference (in my view) being that there's more of a muted feel and it seems to last longer than Scorpion before going dead - it doesn't seem to 'tighten' up with hitting in the way that Scorpion does. Personally, I think Scorpion is the better string when fresh (the better feel giving it the edge), but PTP seems to remain playable longer, though it does lose tension over time. It will be interesting hearing your thoughts in due course.
     
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  17. rdis10093

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    I love yonex, but man I did not like that string. it has good tension over time but it does not play so great.
     
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    ^ You're well aware that the String Forum polling / voting system is flawed because people can mark down stuff that they've never even played with. It favors whatever is popular at the time, whatever string is being 'pushed' by that forum at the particular time, favors 'block reviews', and that Jans guy moderates the scores of anything you submit and even blocks reviews/scores if it doesn't 'fit' in with *his* view of a particular string. You can see that that Top 5 makes no sense anyway - 4 natural gut strings and PTP as the single poly sticking out like a sore thumb. Very skewed and subjective scoring system.
     
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    Oh, the forum is hopelessly biased, but it is typically biased towards German strings. The fact that the Yonex is stealing the show not only there, but even in TW reviews and on here probably isn't a coincidence. No, I do not trust that site for objective anything since every year ALU wins something.
     
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    You only have to look at the scores/reviews to realize that there's something not quite right.

    Look at the PTP reviews. Tons of noobie posters there with a very small number of reviews. Loads of them give it the maximum 3 stars for power for example.

    Look at the VS Team reviews. Lots of reviews with 1 or 2 stars for power.

    Since when is PTP more powerful than natural gut?

    Makes no sense does it? And before you ask, they don't have a different scoring system for polys, natural gut etc. That Jans seems to letting those 'maximum mark' review for PTP slip through for some reason....
     
  23. pvaudio

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    Truthfully, I don't think the conspiracy is that great. Rather, since they have cut and dry ratings for all strings, someone rating poly power is not going to rate the power low compared to natural gut or a multi, rather they'll rate it compared to polys. That's why I look on that site to see what's trending, not to get buying advice ;)
     
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    3 hours of tennis later and the Iontec Black in the demo is completely dead and notched to hell and back. 7 hours, right on the dot.
     
  25. rdis10093

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    can I get tennis string list in an email please
     
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    also do you think the first group is more fun? the second group is kind of lame this year.
     
  27. pvaudio

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    Do I? Yes, but it depends on what you're after. It's a hell of a lot more intense and there's no pushing. The last drill nearly killed me, playing 4-square with only 5 people per court. If you just want to hit around, then probably not. I was completely fried after playing at 9 haha, but I did stay until midnight so I can make an informed decision. Really though, all that the second group needs is better management. She (no names here) is not assertive enough and looks for approval when she makes decisions. The main group's management is much better, but even then, she too needs to be more assertive. I think that people don't realize you can be the nicest person in the world, but still make sure people take you seriously. But that's a topic for another day :)
     
  28. pvaudio

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    The Pro is boxed up with the MP and shipping back tomorrow. With any luck, my own Pros will come in tomorrow! Having used it for a while, I'm not sure I want to get rid of the leather grip. It actually feels just fine with a Supergrap on top.
     
  29. rdis10093

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    thank you sir
     
  30. Torres

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    That's what you would think, but if you do that, Jans or whoever it is running the site, won't allow the review to be published or the scores entered into the table (though he seems to have made an exception for PTP, which throws all the scores for other strings in the rest of their database completely out of kilter). Seriously flawed scoring system they're running there. And don't get me even started about the flaws in their string of the year polling methodology....

    I agree with you though that that site is useful to see what's trending. Where do they do fall down though is by trying to have a 'Top 5' best anything, with a scoring criteria that is anything but accurate.
     
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    Torres, that doesn't make sense. Look at the most powerful strings: Polyfibre Poly-Hitec and Polystar Energy are rated as more powerful than Babolat VS Touch. Those are absurdly powerful poly strings, for sure. Compared to gut, it's not even close though. That's what I'm saying, they're rating the strings compared to the things they're familiar with, not what's actually true. I think that's why the site is misleading.
     
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    Exactly. That's why I don't take the scoring from that site remotely seriously, or the order in which they rank strings. I've submitted a few poly reviews for example (or should I say, 'attempted to submit'), which have all been blocked with the guy refusing to put the scores into the database. Me giving Dunlop BW17 5/5 for comfort for example was too much for him even though its one of the most comfortable polys out there. Then there was that email exchange I had with him about BHBR where he refused to allow my review scores into the database. Tour Bite not stiff but BHBR is? Eh? He wanted me to adjust my scores. See what I mean about him filtering and influencing how the scores eventually come out in the database? They just seem to be biased towards whatever is flavor of the month (or whatever they want to be flavor of the month).

    After all the constant faff, I just gave up. Just couldn't take the guy seriously.

    Then they go on to send me emails asking me to rank various strings, half of which, I've never even played with (or if I have, they've been in different racquets at different tensions). Some strings I've never even heard of, yet apparently I'm permitted to rank the top 3 as best for this, best for that etc...[​IMG]
     
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    Yikes. Well, indeed I do only look there for trending.

    On a new note, it's Christmas!

    2x Prestige Pro 4 1/2
    1x Yonex PTP 1.25mm reel (too good to pass up)
    3x Prince boomerangs (finally got a set)
    1x 1m nylon tubing (many many many clients with cracked grommets)

    Ahhh, the smell of fresh polyester and leather grip. Too bad I had to pay for it myself otherwise it would have been Christmas :lol:
     
  34. sansaephanh

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    where did you get the boomerangs?
     
  35. rdis10093

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    where can you get reels of yonex?
     
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    Count me in as interested too.
     
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    mikeler hahaha! I have a question for you. I am a semi native of fl. there used to be this wine that that we would always get. it was in a blue bottle. it is very fruity, light and crisp. on the graphic there is a picture of this little like german guy that says try me. do you have any idea what it is called. I yearn for my young gun days. they always sell it at publixs grocery stores, but they dont have those in the mid west region.

    thanks.
     
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  38. pvaudio

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    The answer to all of your questions is across the Atlantic ocean. Since they are a competitor, let's just say it's the world for stringers in the UK ;)
     
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    I'll have to run that one by the wife. I try to avoid Publix as much as possible.


    Copy that.
     
  40. pvaudio

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    I've got some numbers for you guys since I've always questioned the TW listed specs. The Dunlops were purchased from TW and all racquets are 4 1/2 grip. The TW numbers for my racquets are as follows:

    Head IG Youtek Prestige Pro
    Strung weight: 12.2oz

    Dunlop 4D200 Tour
    Strung weight: 12.3oz

    I used my scale and measured things myself. The string in question is a set of Signum Pro Plasma Pure I had sitting on my desk. My results are:

    Head IG Youtek Prestige Pro
    Unstrung weight: 325g, 326g
    Strung weight: 347g (12.2oz)

    Dunlop 4D200 Tour
    Unstrung weight: 348g, 349g
    Strung weight: 369g (13.02oz)


    All completely stock, and the Dunlops in question haven't ever been used. The grip on the Dunlops are factory Hydrozorb or whatever they call them, so that's not where the weight difference comes from. Either way, there is no way you can get a 0.7oz difference in strung weight unless it's a misprint.
     
  41. rdis10093

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    schmitt sohne

    just got a bottle, nice little wine from germany. sorry for not talking about strings but I am stocked
     
  42. pvaudio

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    Chateau Ste. Michelle Eroica 2008, 2009, 2011. Any of those years work (2010 was a bad year), and I swear it's the best Riesling not for the money, but full stop. And I HATE sweet white wines, but that's some seriously good stuff.
     
  43. rdis10093

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    a consumer. right on man.
     
  44. alidisperanza

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    Sounds like something I'd like... looking forward to your input PV
     
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    We shall see!
     
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    Short summary of Poly Tour Pro after 1 hour: it reminds me exactly of Polyfibre Black Venom. Even feels and strings the same. In other words: absolutely generic.
     
  47. pvaudio

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    Going to try Tornado crossed with S-Gut in the Prestige. For some reason, Tornado keeps calling me. Something about it...
     
  48. mikeler

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    How about a Ytex Pro Tour test?
     
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    I feel like that's going to lock up :(
     
  50. pvaudio

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    While I don't have any of that, I do have a half set of the top-tier Super String. Was given to me for free when I ordered some string not long ago. Super String is made by Isospeed, and according to the distributor, is the best poly out there. Now, I'm not entirely sure about that (in fact I don't believe it at all), but I will get around to trying it.

    http://www.supertennistring.com/b2b/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=77
     

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