PV Audio's Playtest Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by pvaudio, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. kaiser

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    That's very interesting, because you describe a very similar situation to what got me thinking about trying out another racket myself. With the 200 Tour I can hit a pretty heavy ball for my level, and thus get a lot of mid-court balls back. Living in Europe, I play mostly on clay and hence I need to play a quality approach shot or angled winner on those short balls if I don't want to find myself exposed to passing shots and lobs. With the Tour I tend to hit a lot of those shots just long or clipping the tape, thus losing points that were mine for the taking. This can get pretty frustrating at times, especially when my opponent cottons on to it... I've been working with my coach on reducing my backswing and adding a bit more zip to my swing and thus topspin to my shots on those mid-court balls, and although that works well in practice, I'm still vulnerable in matches.

    So I've also been thinking to try out something with a little less swing weight to see if that helps me get some easier tipspeed and a little more zip on those shots. At the same time, I really enjoy the heft of my Tours from the back court and on serve, as well as on volleys, so I'm loathe to loose that with a lighter swinging racket. By the sound of it, you've found a happy compromise in the Prestige Pro, and indeed I read some glowing TW reviews on it. Do you never miss the plow through of your Tours? I mean, you've gone down in swing weight by some 25+ points...
     
  2. pvaudio

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    Trust me, the Pro has PLENTY of plow. I mean the Tour is just an extreme, I don't know of a racquet with a higher swingweight. Even Fed's stick is ~20-30pts lower.
     
  3. kaiser

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    Thanks, I guess the Pro should go on my (to) hit list then! :)I'm aware that the 200 Tour is fairly extreme in terms of swing weight, which got me thinking in the first place. I guess I'm reaching the point where I can't hold off on demoing anymore...:(
     
  4. mikeler

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    Funny you mention the European clay courts. I always heard people at my club say how much slower they are than Har-Tru. You don't really understand it until you play a match on the red stuff. Every approach shot just sits up and it seems like your opponent has all day to setup for a passing shot.
     
  5. pvaudio

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    Okay, string update. 2.5 hours on one stick, 1.5 on the other. The NVy is about half shaved on the 2.5 hours stick. Pop is still there, crispness has fallen, spin definitely still there. I need to switch back to Wilson Supremes though, the SuperGrap is destroying my hands again. For some reason I thought I could start using them again, but nope, still too tacky. Wish I had some pacific grips though, those are my faves.
     
  6. mikeler

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    You must have girly hands. :)
     
  7. pvaudio

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    Yeah :(

    No the problem is actually I have calluses on my hands, and since the grip is so tacky, every time I hit a ball and the frame twists slightly, it slides the callus back and forth. That causes irritation underneath which can lead to further blisters. I have the same exact issue on the balls of my feet from years of boxing, so I need to wear super padded tennis socks.
     
  8. Fuji

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    Oh man I know that feel so well. It's honestly such a pain haha.

    -Fuji
     
  9. pvaudio

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    Ah, broke down and bought another reel of Scorpion 1.22. I just can't NOT have that feeling when I'm on the court. It's just...right.
     
  10. mikeler

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    Really strange. Supergrap gives my super callouses no issues.
     
  11. travlerajm

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    You probably mentioned it somewhere already, but how does the playability of scorpion change over time compared to silverstring? And how is the surface of of scorpion compared to SS? Slipperiness? Dent-resistance?

    I've been using SS as my cross with kevlar, and been very happy with its tension maintenance. But would like to find a slicker poly with at least as good tension maintenance as SS. By the way, I'm not sure why, but when I used SPPP as a cross with kevlar, it didn't hold tension very well, and the stringbed turned into a mushy sponge within a few days. But silverstring holds up much better and stays firm a lot longer.
     
  12. TomT

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    Informative thread. Enjoying reading and viewing my way through it a little bit at a time as it's pretty long. Like what I've seen of pvaudio's hitting and serving. Way way above what I'm capable of, but I think it can be useful as a goal and reference. Currently thinking about emulating Tommy Haas's stroking technique.

    Somewhat off topic I know, so this will be my only post in this thread ... at least until I've viewed all the other posts.

    Thanks to pvaudio for thread and helpful posts and other posters also.
     
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  13. alidisperanza

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    Hmm interesting-- spin is what seems to notch strings for me. I just found a reel of hyperlast which has kevlar-ish mains for dirt cheap so I'm going to be switching back to the J011y Rig for a bit. No time to string :(

    Pacific grips are SUPER tacky...? At least the few that I have. I always thought graps were in the medium range but I could be wrong. The issue with the blisters typically comes from using a grip that's too small. I used to get the same problem when playing with a smaller grip. As soon as I bumped up to a bigger one (I had the same frame in diff grip sizes) there was no discomfort.
     
  14. pvaudio

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    Nope, supergraps have always felt like they'll destroy my hand even when just holding it whereas the Pacific and Wilson and Gammas don't.
     
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    Hmm, I guess that just chalks up to "different strokes, different folks" (no pun intended)
     
  16. kaiser

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    So you can imagine how I felt on the European clay after having played almost ten years on the Australian grass! Boy,did I get lobbed and passed... Had to change my whole game around from letting the ball bounce as little as possible using serve & voley and chip & charge to grinding out points from the baseline. Went full W-W on my forehand and had to work really hard on consistency.
     
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    I have a new appreciation for Stefan Edberg and John McEnroe coming up 1 set short of winning the French Open.
     
  18. pvaudio

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    On the grip, just played 1.5hrs with a Wilson Supreme and no hand pain. 'Twas the grap :)
     
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    Travlerajam,
    What strings/tensions/racquet(s) are you using with this kevlar hybrid setup? Just curious. Sounds interesting enough to try out. Thanks.
     
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    I'm not Trav but here's what I found in the time I played with it:

    Ashaway Kevlar/ Alu Rough is the sweetest kevlar setup but it's costly, and dies for most people before they pop.

    A more reasonable version is Ashaways Kevlar/SilverString. (my preference)

    Econo version Wilson Hyperlast.

    I used to play with a prestige mid @ 58-- going to experiment with hyperlast/poly some time this week at lower tensions.
     
  22. pvaudio

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    Played against Teniludius tonight for an hour or so, so one stick now has 4.5 hours on it, the other 2 hours. The 4.5hr stick is on its last leg, but interestingly, it's not showing signs of losing playability. It still feels absolutely fantastic. Clearly not going to be a supremely durable combination, but astounding value for sure.
     
  23. kaiser

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    Absolutely!
     
  24. pvaudio

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    Lol ali, I played against my sister today and she now wants to demo Prestiges. It's an addictive racquet :twisted:
     
  25. Graphiteking

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    @pvaudio, first off, awesome thread. I'm currently playing with a youtek pp(non IG) version. It is a sick stick. Im following your thread to see what string set up you will go with. I have similar strokes with 2hbh and I'm not certain that my poly/ syn gut cross @54lbs is for me. Which string set up is your fav for now???
     
  26. pvaudio

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    Poly (scorpion) / Nvy (syn gut) :lol:
     
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    Poly cross?? What tension?
     
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    Just wanted to say I tried the hex and it is exactly what I was looking for. It does feel slightly lower powered, but it also has exceptional spin while retaining the poly plasma feel.

    Thanks for the help!
     
  29. pvaudio

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    No no, poly/syn gut. Scorpion/Nvy. The tension is 47/52.
     
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    Has anyone tried Nvy with natural gut?
     
  31. alidisperanza

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    I'm glad you and yours are taking to it so well. Once I start freeing up some time to play, I might pick up another Mid and get back to it. Until then, I stick with the 95D.
     
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    Forgot to update, ~6hrs to break stick numero 1. Scorpion was dead by then too, so that's fine. The other stick now has about 3 hours on it. It sounded like the frame exploded when it broke because it broke on a serve. Love it :lol:
     
  33. pvaudio

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    Since someone said they like pics, this is the new frame. Scorpion/Nvy, 47/50lbs.

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  34. fortun8son

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    Sweet.
    From a distance, you couldn't even tell that it's a hybrid.
     
  35. mikeler

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    That was my first thought.
     
  36. alidisperanza

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    +1

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  37. pvaudio

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    Nah in person it's easier to tell. My 6 year old 100 dollar camera can't pick up the differences between the whites that well :)
     
  38. rdis10093

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    have you played with that string before?
     
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    the dunlop juice?
     
  40. pvaudio

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    I have not, but a couple guys at club do, yep. It's become my go-to for stiffer, non-lux strings since I don't carry Pro Hurricane Tour anymore. I was originally thinking Big Hitter Silver Rough, but even that's not stiff by my thoughts.
     
  41. pvaudio

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    Ali, you use rdis10093's frame. What would you recommend for a stiff poly (was using Revenge 17 before)?
     
  42. pvaudio

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    Wait Adam, did you ever try Tour Bite? I didn't choose it purposely since the cross string you provided is not durable at all. However, Tour Bite/Nvy is a tried and true formula.
     
  43. rdis10093

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    many years ago in a full bed at low 60ish tensions, might be worth a second look.
     
  44. pvaudio

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    Yeah....it is not exactly ideal at high tensions. Regardless, you'll likely shred your regular Bab syn using it (again which is why I chose not to use it), so a more durable 16g cross would be ideal. Either way, I am not confident that you'll find a string like Revenge. That said, you do have to keep in mind that you played Revenge in a hybrid with Recoil. Both strings are discontinued now. The only other option I can think of is something like Lux Ace, but that's not going to give you long playability at all.
     
  45. rdis10093

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    that was back in the days when I played alu rough at 64lbs in high school, which killed my arm.

    cheers to babolat and prince for staying with their product.
     
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    also do we bring money for the sweatshirts tongiht at club? she never answered my email.
     
  47. pvaudio

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    No idea, I assume that you just email if you want one and perhaps pay on pickup? Not really sure; I have no money for one haha.
     
  48. alidisperanza

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    In the 95D?

    I'd forget stiff, the frame is not fond of it. BUT should you want something obnoxiously stiff go for barbed wire by TB. It's literally wire. Another fairly low cost option (at least, I thought) was Volkl Cyclone. Or just jump to kevlar. Kevlar is the stiffest haha.

    I haven't gotten on court but I'm going to try my kevlar/poly soon.
     
  49. rdis10093

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    I think that the 95d has almost to much power and that it needs a stiff string. something like a soft poly just makes it all to much power. what do yours string yours with?
     
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    Stiff does not equal low power when it comes to strings. Example: Head Sonic Pro is stiffer than Mantis Comfort Synthetic by a large margin. MCS provides next to no power whatsoever in comparison.
     

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