Quake in Japan!

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  1. Fee

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    No, she just represents a typical self centered under 25 kid who was probably raised by 2 working parents that never spent any time with her. American colleges didn't produce her, she was that way before she got there.
     
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    I am watching BBC News and CNN - whichever is covering the quake.
     
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    I hope you are wrong . On the other hand , with the BP scandal and their 'strategic policy' ofdenial of the levels of gallons of just about everything from the volume in gallons of oil and of methane on to Corexit dispersants used to cover up , i remain sceptical of big energy companies as sole sources of information.

    Now and again,they act like tyranns and bullies like some in say Russia ,dont you agree?
     
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    Apology spapology . I think its heartfelt and she remain of that mindset, . she should stand her
    ground and not be a hypocrite.
     
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    3300 dead, 7000 missing. Reactor 2 fire.

    CNN says TEPCo has a history of false / diishonest reporting (2002 and 2007 earlier).
     
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    I hope you don't react to everything with such hyperbolic recklessness, comrade.
    Me too. The federal government's involvement was a display of grand incompetence and ineffectiveness. A little spoken of epic failure of the Obama administration.
     
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    American politics is funded by large corporations so, unsurprisingly, the American administration is pitifully poor at any kind of regulation. This has nothing to do with Obama other than the fact that he is the current incumbent.



     
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    Wrong. I'm talking about the reaction, not the regulation. Go ahead and troll/obfuscate all you'd like, just refrain from misappropriating my quotes for those purposes.
     
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    Why would they be ineffective if they had the tools to be effective? And why would they not have these tools unless successive administrations have stripped themselves of these tools in the name of deregulation. There is no misappropriation here - you simply want to run with the idea tha Obama has some sort of personal incompetence that explains everything.



     
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    Nothing personal at all was stated, troll. Even gross ineptitude in the face of a national emergency doesn't raise your hand to lift your blinders - but this isn't at all surprising. Just a short listen to the pawns on MSNBC or "progressive" talk radio confirms this mindset hourly.
     
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    You wrote:

    Me too. The federal government's involvement was a display of grand incompetence and ineffectiveness. A little spoken of epic failure of the Obama administration.

    I'm not sure what 'a little spoken of epic failure' means but Obama is specified. My argument is that governmental failure in America is long-standing and systemic.




     
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    Me too. The federal government's involvement was a display of grand incompetence and ineffectiveness. A little spoken of epic failure of the Obama administration.[/QUOTE]



    I think you are missing out here on my statement. I am saying BP ran the show for all the world to see.
    BP and the other oil companies are major players in DC.
    Oil , coal , gas and nuclear corporations deliver energy but also which is very important for their semimonopoly, senators that are in line with their interests.
     
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    Obama basically made BP cough up some billions and then told BP he wouldn't bad mouth them anymore. Not my desired solution, but as a political fix for a problem he had no control over not a bad one looked at in strategic terms.
     
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    just curious

    are u mathematically inclined?
     
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    if fuel rods are contained in the sealed reactor vessel, how does radioactivity leak out? wouldnt the fuel rods eventually fission themselves out?



    what happens when the fuel rods melt?
     
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    If the rods melt because there is not enough coolant then the vessel can be breached and contaminants released. The reactors shut down automatically with the earthquake but they still need to be cooled and the tsunami destroyed the systems.



     
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    so you think they paid too little?



     
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    The US Republicans backing nuclear power aren't about to give up the struggle because of events in Japan. Meet Republican congressman Devin Nunes of California, who wants 200 new power plants and thinks the events in ***ushima strenthens the argument for more nuclear plants:

    Nunes has proposed a comprehensive energy bill that calls for 200 new nuclear power plants by 2040. The bill has more than 50 sponsors, including House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan. Citing the rarity of the disaster that caused the nuclear crisis in Japan, Nunes insists the catastrophe may actually strengthen the argument for building more reactors in the United States.

    "As we wait to see what happens, I believe this will make the case for nuclear power in the long run," Nunes said.

    California has historically also been known to have earthquakes.

    Guardian. ***ushima is already an obscenity.
     
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    More than looking away at the administration's failure, you actually have a degree of praise for it. Classic.:lol: Any laurels for Bush's handling of Katrina?:rolleyes:
    If there is one thing you have displayed the ability to do, it is to read and regurgitate. So I know you understand that I called out the Obama Administration - and while I don't absolve Obama personally for the poor response, the criticism was addressed to the administration.
    Bravo, Professor. What an enlightening observation. I'm going to one-up you, though. My argument is that world-wide governmental failure is long-standing and systemic.

    See how easy that was?
     
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    isnt it possible to built a vessel that cannot be breach even with the rods melting inside?

    possible but not cost effective?
     
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    no, just a general question.


    not related to your posts on this thread.
     
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    I still am amazed by the damage that the earthquake and tsunami caused over there. It looks like Hiroshima after the Atomic Bomb was dropped. To any and all Japanese on this board I hope you and your loved ones are ok. :)
     
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    ^ agreed ^

    hope yes, reality says no, not ok.
     
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    the plant in trouble was the oldest plant in the region

    there is a new plant closer to the epicenter. that plant is under control.
     
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    In no way should this catastrophe dissuade people into being againt nuclear power, we must continue to support nuclear energy.
     
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    Of course. Nuclear is safe and its the perfect answer for all our needs.

    The only thing that compete is probably off shore drilling at great depths.
     
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    Thats a little bit like saying i only have cancer in my right arm , the left one is ok.
     
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    I think it's saying that nuclear power have a strong safety record, (as say, compared to coal, think about miners trapped in mines). Not a perfect record, but you must compare it to something real, not just something in your imagination. Nuclear power is the safest kind we have.

    He goes on to say that safe is it is, the new plants are still much safer than the old ones. This makes a powerful case for using nuclear power. Your statement about having cancer in one arm is a non sequitur.
     
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    What i want to know is when these area becomes inhabitable due to radiation, where are they going to relocate to ?
     
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    Provided the waves and currents simultaneously turn toward the opposite direction they are in since quite awhile to suddenly spare humans and fulfill our wishes .. very very unlikely . I wouldnt bet on it.

    Check the video out .It has useful information.
     
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    they should have been upgraded the older plants
     
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    full disclosure is never good for sheeple

    if u gave the miners full disclosure of the dangers at chernobyl, would they have dug that tunnel?
     
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    An ad hominem response, how predictable. Why not use facts instead of revealing that you've been brainwashed to think a different way? (I know the answer, it's too much trouble to think). Let me show you what I mean. Here's a quote.

    "Nuclear power is by far the safest, cleanest, and most economical form of large scale energy production available today, yet it has been foolishly rejected in the United States due to abysmal ignorance."

    And here's the link for you to investigate this quote, and learn more about nuclear power.

    http://russp.org/nucpower.htm

    See? That's not so bad, is it? I didn't retaliate by calling you a "clown" or treating you the way you treat me. Maybe that's because if a person knows their facts, they just point to their facts? But if you just sat there in school, memorizing what "teacher says", you have no other option but to become furious with contrary opinions. It makes you doubt yourself, and I can understand why that feels scary, so you lash out.
     
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    By "profit" you mean "cost". Should we go with the safest form of energy, no matter how high the cost? There are trade-offs. To use the example in the following link, if your risk of death was DOUBLE taking the freeway instead of going through town, would you? Say the risk of getting killed was 1 in a million going through town and 2 in a million going on the freeway? Would you go through town even if that route took 40 minutes and the other 15 minutes?

    It's not realistic to demand anything in the real world to be perfectly safe. If one choice is slightly riskier but greatly cheaper, it might not be unreasonable to prefer it. Here's a more in depth discussion of these trade offs.
    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell122804.asp
     
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    Eddy - did you read the article i linked? that is what i am referring to and not debating nuclear energy.
     
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    Good. Seems that what that article says, and what I'm reading is that the problem plant was built on early 60's technology and newer plants, closer to the epicenter, haven't had any problems.

    As to why that plant wasn't upgraded, I don't know why. I suspect for the same reason the bridge in Minneapolis was neglected. Politicians don't become popular for spending money on projects that don't have ribbon-cutting ceremonies and other photo-ops.
     
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    well Japan is another culture to be understood. anyway watched on the news that Tokyo Electric isn't/hasn't been "transparent".
     
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    Is there going to be a full meltdown?
     
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    Probably not. Here's a link from an engineer who seems to know alot more about the subject than the journalists.
    http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/

    Journalists didn't pay attention in science and math classes. That's why 98.7% of them believe that 1/2 + 1/3 = 2/5. (Their knowledge of economics is on a par with their mathematical knowledge, for example I cannot find ONE example of a journalist using the words "supply" or "demand" correctly in an economic context.) Journalists seem to be bored with events, unless they can view it as a melodrama, i.e. "good" vs "evil".
     
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    Kazuhiko Maekawa, professor emeritus at the University of Tokyo, said Tuesday that although a meltdown is possible — at least at present — such a case would be different from the 1986 Chernobyl core meltdown in Ukraine that involved a large-scale nuclear explosion.

    Even if the fuel rods melt down, they would remain in a liquid state, Maekawa said. If the primary reactor containment vessels "are not totally destroyed," lethal radioactive materials would remain within the reactor compound, he said.

    "In the Chernobyl accident, the explosion spread nuclear materials containing 'death ash' and contaminated many people," Maekawa, a counselor at the Nuclear Safety Research Association, said, ruling out such an explosion in ***ushima.

    "If you succeed in preventing melted fuel from leaking, the possibility of large-scale radioactive contamination is low. Local residents should remain calm and not panic," he said.
    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110316a1.html

    Radiation levels spike in Tokyo; capital still safe, Ishihara says

    By TAKAHIRO ***ADA
    Staff writer
    Radiation reached around 20 times normal levels in the capital Tuesday morning, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government said, while offering the assurance this reading posed no immediate risk to human health and that the public should remain calm.

    "I received a report this morning that there was an important change of data," Gov. Shintaro Ishihara said at a news conference. "I heard that it will not immediately cause health problems."

    He said the metropolitan government would continue to give minute-by-minute updates.

    At a metropolitan facility in Setagaya Ward, "a very small amount" of iodine and cesium, substances generated by a nuclear reaction, were detected in floating dust particles between midnight and 7:12 a.m.

    At a facility in Shinjuku Ward, a maximum hourly level of 0.809 microsievert was detected at around 10 a.m., but the hourly level went down to 0.151 microsievert after 11 a.m. These figures compare with 0.035 to 0.038 microsievert detected Monday, and 50 microsieverts absorbed when one takes a chest X-ray.

    The metro government said an exposure level of more than 100,000 microsieverts per hour would endanger health.

    While the highest level, 0.809 microsievert, was observed around 10 a.m., the average between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. was 0.496 microsievert per hour.

    Even if one is exposed to that level for a year, the total would amount to 4,344 microsieverts. That compares with the 2,000 to 5,000 microsieverts per year that exist in nature, the metro government said.

    Ishihara instructed officials Monday to monitor radiation levels amid the crisis occurring at the ***ushima No. 1 nuclear plant. In Ibaraki Prefecture, radiation at one stage reached 5 microsieverts per hour, 100 times higher than usual, the prefectural government said.

    In Kanagawa Prefecture, the radiation level was 10 times higher than usual.

    In the city of Saitama, the amount shot up about 40 times higher than usual.

    In Ichihara, Chiba Prefecture, the amount of radiation showed a two- to fourfold increase, the prefectural government said.

    The amount of radiation rose to 1.318 microsieverts per hour — a figure 33 times greater than usual — in Utsunomiya, Tochigi Prefecture, the prefecture said.

    The science ministry said it had asked prefectures to monitor radiation levels as frequently as possible.
    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110316a2.html
     
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    Yeah exactly, journalists are just waiting for something to happen and when it does they make a big deal of it. But in this case this is worth talking about.
     

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