Quality: Klippermate vs $1000+ machines

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by gahaha, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. gahaha

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    I know that Klippermate is pretty basic and takes longer than the more expensive one out there, but is the quality the same? I have a stringer that most likely uses an electronic one, because it takes her less than 20 minutes for a string job and they all have been exceptional.

    Then when I go to another stringer for a change and they have all been terrible, especially TW stringing, 57 tension from them feels like 40. Anyway is the quality capability the same for all machines provided the stringer put in the work? Or the more expensive ones are better overall?
     
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    There are quite a few threads on this subject already, however, in short...

    - The quality (or lack thereof) of a stringjob lies predominantly in the stringer's skill/technique, not the machine.

    - An electronic stringer/dropweight will typically yield a tighter stringbed when compared to a lockout (which is what TW uses) given the same reference tension.

    Higher quality machines usually provide better racquet stability and clamping. Still, you could get a quality string job using a Klippermate. Could you use a Klippermate and string 6-7 racquets consecutively with consistent results? Not so sure about that one, but with an electronic machine it's fairly easy to do.

    Others (infinitely more experienced than I) may come along to add more.
     
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  3. gahaha

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    Argh, that's the question I was really looking for, but didn't know how to phrase it haha, that's a bummer because I thought I could save some money and buy a machine to string for myself and save some $$. But I have to spend $$ to save $$ I guess.
     
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  4. samarai

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    Well I got a used Klippermate and did my first string job yesterday with some cheap strings. Strung it at 60 lbs and went out and hit with it yesterday night and it felt real good. No differrence than my 15 dollar job I was paying my local stringer. It did take me 3 hours but that's just because I was learning all the little nuiances and didnt have a manual to refer to. Just little bits of yuotube videos. I can probably cut my time in half next time. Now to get better strings.
     
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  5. COPEY

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    I didn't say it was impossible, however, you'll fatigue a lot quicker using a Klippermate than you would using a higher-end machine, which usually results in shortcuts/mistakes for most. If you're looking at Klipper's you're just learning how to string, which means you don't need to worry about stringing for others for a while anyway. Stringing is easy. Becoming a 'good stringer' takes time and experience.

    If you're sure you're going to be stringing for the long haul, I say buy as much machine as you can afford--get something nice, even if you overshoot your budget by several hundred dollars. It's one of the few investments you'll make that will pay for itself.

    Congrats - keep watching videos, reading tips from all the highly experienced stringers on these boards, and practice, practice, practice!
     
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  6. gahaha

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    Hmmn..Your purchase didn't come with a manual? I always thought it did..now I need to find a manual for 16x18 95 racquet.
     
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    I have a Klippermate and have been stringing for about 3 months now.

    Stringing quality has little to nothing to do with my machine and everything to do with me.

    First 3-4 stringjobs I did sucked because I was learning and inevitably something every time would not be quite right.

    Now I am on my 7 string job and have gotten it down pretty darn good. Last 2 string jobs I did were fantastic and I could tell no difference between those and my previous local pro shop (who had always done good string jobs for me). Strings were tight, did not loose any noticeable amounts of tension, and play-ability was good.

    Klippermate is not for a speed demon though. I've been able to get my time down to about 1:15 and I imagine eventually I will be able to get it down to and hour, but I dont ever see being able to do a string job in 20 minutes on my Klippermate.

    Oh and for reference I have the stand with my Klippermate, so I am not stringing on a tabletop like some people.
     
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  8. gahaha

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    Hmmn, an hour at least? I was hoping I'd be able to bring it down to 30-40 min. Looks like that's not the case, I might shell out a little more for a better machine then.

    But yea, my stringer does good work, I know it takes less than 20min because one time I brought a racquet to her without calling ahead, and she said she'll do it right away and told me to come back in a bit, I drove to a nearby Dairy Queen which is like 5 min away and got in line, as I was ordering she said she was done, it was that quick!
     
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    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1750654/16406586-Klippermate-Stringing-Instructions.pdf

    Here is the manual, if you are interested.(via my dropbox)
     
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    To be honest, your experience with your stringer is exactly why so many of my guys call me. They love being able to drop off a frame and get it back in, pardon me for this, 30 minutes or less.

    They also have come to expect consistent results. Several of them are 5.0 or better and appreciate consistency. I also charge less than a pro shop and if I have their over grip I'll put a new one on as well.
     
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    Even a $1200 Neos has a fatigue factor compared to the more expensive electronic machines, but it is faster than a Klippermate.
     
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    the only fatique you'll get from a klippermate is if you are stringing all day long. If you are just stringing a racket here or there, you won't get fatigued. Come on....seriously???? fatigued from stringing a racket using a drop weight stringer???

    The klipper is a great little stringer. I used mine for years to string my rackets. When playing alot, I was stringing a racket everyother day and it would normally take about an hour to do 1 racket.....and I am no speed demon!
     
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    I bought the model used and so youtube was all I used as a reference. Thanks for the link.
     
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    This is exactly right. Speaking from experience, the addition of the Wise tension head to my Neos has greatly lessened the fatigue factor. I've strung about 50 racquets this week for a tournament, all after my day job, and it's been a lot easier than when I used a crank.
     
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    My first string job with the Klippermate took me 3 hours which was back in the early 90s. After stringing for the 15th time I got it down to 25-30 minutes. All strings jobs are done on a tabletop. Gotta make myself a stand with just the right height.
     
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    A Klippermate works extremely well for the man who's stringing his own racquet, stringing it the way he wants it strung. And why rush the string job you do on your own racquet? Spend the extra ten minutes and make it NICE: that's why you get your own stringing machine, to get away from the junk jobs that come with those churning 'em out.

    I do it about 45-50 minutes. I don't time myself. I drink a cup of coffee and fiddle with the radio, watch the backyard a bit: I'm doing this for myself, so I'm as careful as I want to be, not too concerned about rattling them out for the company.
     
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  17. loosegroove

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    I have a gamma X2 which is similar to the Klippermate, except for it has the ratchet system on the dropweight. You can definitely get consistent results with the machine. I string my rackets in about 45 mins, which is fine since I normally am only doing one racket at a time just for me or an occasional friend.

    And the 45 mins is a relaxed 45 mins. I'm not rushing, normally having some coffee or a beer while I have a game on the tube or something. It's actually rather therapeutic once you know what you're doing, and I don't mind the extra time. Now if you handed me 5 frames that needed to be done today, I wouldn't want to have to use the Klippermate.
     
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  18. topspin18

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    I have a gamma drop weight which is similar to the klippermate and i am able to string a racket in 30-45 mins depending on the racket and string. Polys take a little longer than syn gut. I have done over 45 string jobs so far on the machine.
     
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    It has been said so many times and it is always worth repeating, dropweights such as the Klippermate will give you consistent, replicable and accurate stringjobs albeit at a slow pace. The quality of the stringjob you produce is always in the hands of you, the stringer, not the machine.

    Sure, you need to mount the frame securely and ensure the jaws and clamps are free from silicone buildup, but if you take your time (for me around an hour or so) the Klippermate will give you a stringjob you will be more than happy with. I string for friends, coaches and coaches' students on my Klippermate, and I am constantly told that my stringjobs are the best that the players have ever had.

    The thing is don't waste time like I did - I waited too many years before buying my K'mate and my best tennis playing days are behind me. Don't make the same mistake - get a machine and start having fun with different strings, tensions, gauges etc......it's great fun and you won't regret it.
     
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    Sorry to go off topic but I never understood why TW uses NEOS stringers when they must have the market to upgrade up to tournament level stringing machines to increase their consistency.

    And along with everyone else I do believe that quality relates to the time put in factored by the cost of a machine. On the gamma 5800 ELS I can string a quality job in 18 minutes, on a klippermate I could probably attain the same job in around 45 minutes. Its all a matter of what kind of volume of racquets you'll be stringing.
     
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  21. fortun8son

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    The Neos is a solid, reliable, versatile, semi-portable machine that doesn't need access to a power supply.
     
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    IMHO, I agree entirely: it depends on the volume you're doing. . . unless you're really into Gear, in which case there's a wide assortment of cool machines to toy with. Thinking it over, I've had string jobs done on expensive machines as well as Kmates, and really haven't been able to tell the difference. I've had bad string jobs from expensive machines. . . and perhaps what really matters most is the quality of the Stringer-Person! Perhaps the expensive machines reduce screw ups.
     
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    Can't argue.with gravity

    After being tired of inconsistent string jobs from $4000 machine I got the klipperMate and it is awesome. Fast. Noo. Consistent yesssss. After about 5 racquets I am down to about 1hr per while watching Tv. Gravity needs no calibration as long as you do it right jobs will be as god as any machine. Price not a factor
     
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    its amazing how fast you can go on a neos, despite its lack of electronic pull and the lack of 360 degree turn
     
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    .... what machine was that and were you the one stringing it? And if it is yours what has happened to this 4,000 stringing machine :neutral:?
     
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    The machines are at a well known shop, no I was not the stringer

    The machine is fine I was making the point that price DOES not equal quality string job AT ALL.

    If anyone is serious about their tennis I don't see HOW you don't string your own machines. And yes the poor string jobs were stringer caused bye either not calibrating or just sloppy.
     
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    I just wanted to know if it might be for sale and if it was yours....
     
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    thats what i wanted to know too! haha
     
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    I strung for my school using a Neos for several years. It took me about 30 minutes by the end of my time with that machine. Just got a klippermate, and it took me 35 minutes. The klipper beats or equals the neos because I like the drop weight better than the lockout. However, fixed clamps are much better than floating. You also have to be really sure to have the racket secured on the klipper or I could definitely see it slipping. All this being said, I am perfectly happy with the klipper because I'm not going to string tennis rackets for a living.
     
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    The Neos is a (relatively) fast, easy mounting, durable workhorse that requires minimal maintenance, and you can place it anywhere without needing a power supply.
     
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    Lots of people talk about how slow the Klippermate is. I've strung a V1 Classic, my racquets of choice and admittedly an easy one to string, in 22 minutes. Thirty minutes is a breeze. Of course, I've strung primarily on the KM forever. The only thing that's a bit slow for me on my KM is poly.
     
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    ^^ Agree. Leisurely, but not drinking beers and coffees, about 40min tops.
     
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    Built like a tank! I just listed one.
     
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    IMO, and I've owned a Tremont, Gamma Dropweight, Neos and an added Wise, stringing machines are like natural gut and honestly, you get what you pay for. There is a reason professional tournaments use electronic machines. If dropweights were the best, you bet they'd have a presence on the tour.
     
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  35. gmatheis

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    Yes and that reason is speed, you don't get Nadals racket back to him on court in under 15 minutes using a drop weight.
     
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    Partly, yes. But read what the pros on the boards say. Consistency and quality trump speed every time. If drop weights were superior, Nadal and others would adjust their on court equipment accordingly.

    And, from my own experience with 3 different machines, I know for a fact that the Neos has a better mounting system, better clamps, and better build than the vast majority of drop weight machines. I also know that the Wilson Baiardo and Babolat Star 5 have advantages over my machine. The difference is, I don't try to say otherwise.

    The simple fact is, floating clamps don't do as good a job as fixed clamps. The resultant string bed with the Neos has been more consistent and firmer than anything I produced with my Gamma drop weight. Beyond that, the Wise tension head does an even better job and produces very consistent results.

    Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a drop weight. In the end, it's all what you get used to. But I think it's a mistake to claim equivalency with a top end machine, it just ain't so. I know for a fact as well that when I strung on a drop weight, the tension setting I used was 8 pounds higher than what I used when I started using my Neos. I know for a fact that I had to drop 3 - 5 pounds off my number when I cut over to the Wise.
     
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  37. jgrushing

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    I'm not going to argue quality with you. I know that my $145 Klippmate is not a Star 5 or even a Neos. But, generally, when I've strung for folks who were used to the pro shop, I've had to lower their reference tension. Same reference tension on my brother-in-law's Neos is looser.
     
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    The most time consuming aspect is weaving the cross which are the same across machine. Drop-weight tensioning does not take much time.
     
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    I've heard a couple of people say that they can string a quality racquet with a klippermate / dropweight in under 20-25 minutes. The only reason I highly doubt this is because i'm including the time it takes to adjust the mount, change the tension for the tie offs and possibly for the crosses, and the additional 5-10 seconds it takes to apply tension for each string.

    I'd be extremely interested/impressed to see someone post a video doing all of these in under 20 minutes.
     
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    I said I've done one of my V1 Classics in 22 minutes. That's mounting the racquet and doing a one piece job. No changing the tension for tie offs (unnecessary IMO) or for the crosses in this case. Just a basic string job.

    A normal two piece job that I do most of the time is easily done in 30 minutes. I just finished one as a matter of fact. Keep in mind that I've strung on my KM since 1992; probably 1000 racquets.

    I have considered recording a video of the partial job just to show that getting the bar to horizontal is not a real issue. Stay tuned...maybe soon.
     
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    That would be awesome if you could post a full video of your stringing, its great to pick up some of the little techniques people use when they string. I feel like even if I watch someone who just started stringing you can always learn something. Keep us updated if you decide to post something jgrushing!
     
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    After about 8 string jobs it still takes me an hour. But I go slow and do the Wuppy method on crosses.
     
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    There's still lots of efficiency to be gained after only 8 jobs. An hour's not bad. Weaving and handling the string is big. Also, just not delaying between actions--knowing what to do next. That's where you save time.
     
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    is that 22 minutes using poly ?
     
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    No way. Gosen OGM--not a poly fan. Poly on my KM takes more like 40 minutes or so. I love the cam gripper but it's not great for poly.
     
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    Yeah weaving kills me, especially on stiff poly. Takes forever, I can't just snake it through in seconds like some guys.
     
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    ^^Try the bead method it helps you get a better grip on the string and you learn to weave faster.
     
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    Sometimes the stiff poly can be a blessing in disguise though.

    I have found that some of the super soft multi/syn gut strings are really hard and aggravating when stringing crosses trying to get the string through holes that are covered up by mains. The string is so soft and flexible it can be a real pain to punch through those holes even with tools moving the mains out of the way.

    Stiff polys can usually punch right through the covered holes no problemo.
     
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    I have found that if you cut the end at as severe an angle as you can, either with some snips or a one-edged razor, most any string will ease by a blocked hole.
     
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    I've always been a loop and pull weaver not a snake/push so stiff poly really isn't a problem anymore. Irvin thanks again for that bead method weaving video, its helped me teach a lot of people how to weave and saved a ton of time.
     
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