Quality Players

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  1. sroelit

    sroelit New User

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    I'm a HS coach in Kansas, and while I've been reading tt for some time, this is my first post. Although I've been involved with the game of tennis for much of my life, I really think I've only recently become aware of just how many really good tennis players there are in the HS and College ranks--and just how distinct the gaps are between the good, the really good, and the elite. We just finished up our State tournaments a few weeks ago, and I got to watch the 149th ranked HS senior in the nation (according to tennisrecruiting.net) win his third state title. He crushes his groundstrokes with impunity, he places the ball with precision, and he serves bombs. So I went and looked at his USTA record, and found this interesting: he's 14-0 against 3 star recruits and lower, he's 10-9 against other 4 star recruits, and he's 1-8 against five star recruits and "blue chips." So he's maybe the best player in the state (there is one other HS player in KS ranked higher), but there are clearly HS players out there who are better. Then you consider that while he'll play D1 tennis, the school he'll play for didn't win it's conference. And the team that did win the conference lost in the first round of the NCAAs. So there are presumably a bunch of 20 somethings out there in college who are better. And then of course, there's the fact that the truly elite don't go to college at all--they're already testing themselves as pros. Anyway, a very long first post to say something very simple: there are a lot of really good young tennis players out there.
     
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  2. treeman10

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    There are amazing players, and it is interesting that as a high school coach you had this lightbulb moment, and I mean that as a compliment because many don't get ever get that. Our HS coach lived in his bubble where he thought high school players were the top tier because in other sports, that is how it works, and he never left his bubble to look around. The best football players are in HS football, etc. but in tennis, the best aren't in HS tennis and many coaches like yourself, just don't notice it for whatever reason. What you will also find is the levels within levels. The top 10 players in the country are a different level than the top 15-25, top 50 way different than 100-150, etc., there really can be a big difference. Same with the schools in NCAA, there tends to be a top 8 or 10 or so and the next solid tier, then everyone else, and there are zillions of schools that never even make the tournament, but all these teams still have great players within them. Yes, there are great young players out there, it is fun to be a fan and support them. Great you are getting to know the entire system. Pick a college team or a few local kids and track their progress, follow results, it's pretty cool. And if you post on here, be prepared to have posts where you are a genius and others where you get chewed up and spit out. It's a riot.
     
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    Not to sidetrack into an age-old discussion, but a lot of people come on here and gripe about how some college coach should try to get 4-star recruits and "coach them up" instead of signing foreign players who are "only" at the level of an American 5-star recruit. The original poster had an eye opener when he saw the record of a 4-star when playing against 5-stars in USTA tournaments. A coach who sees a competitor in his own conference get 5-star-equivalent foreign recruits knows EXACTLY what will happen if he signs 4-star American recruits to play against them. Ditto with 3-star vs. 4-star, etc, at different college levels.
     
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    Speaking of which, have any of your players ever played against Jack Sock?
     
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  5. sroelit

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    Treeman, you've nailed it--I am beginning to realize that there are many multiple tiers of players and many levels within the tiers. I guess what I'm curious about now is what separates, say, a 4 star recruit/player from a 5 star recruit/player in terms of skill and execution.
    Clark, so funny you mention colleges and recruiting--the Missouri Valley Conference tournament was held near enough for me to go watch, and I was a little surprised to find that the team that won, Wichita State University, had five of their six positions filled by foreign players. I remember thinking, "man, with all the great talent in the area, why can't they recruit locally?" But I feel differently about that today. It's clear that even within D1 there are significant discrepancies from player to player. And if the coaching thread is any indication, it is imperative that coaches get the absolute best players they can from wherever they can get them.
     
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  6. sroelit

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    Sock played at the 6A level--I am a coach at the 3A level; so no. I'm actually glad none of my players ever had to face sock--he was at another level in more ways than just classification.
     
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