Question for Fed fans

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  1. Ivanišević

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    Ok..
    I have one question and it's been bothering me for a some time..
    I see there's a lot of americans on this board and I've noticed that most of them are Fed fans.
    I even think there's a more american fed fans that europeans fed fans.
    I read somewhere that Pete wasn't quite popular in US in his prime, but stil...

    I know.. someone will say that fed is more talented etc.. but being a fan is more than just skills, it's also about personality, charisma, patriotism or so.
     
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  2. Rhino

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    so whats the question?
     
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    lol yeah..ivanisevic..what's the question?;p
     
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  4. Ivanišević

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    Question is-WHY IS THAT?
     
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    Ok if the question is: Why are there more american fed fans than europeans fed fans?
    I don't think there are, Europeans love Federer.

    if the question is:Why wasn't Pete wasn't quite as popular in US in his prime?
    I thought he was huge, but not as big as Agassi obviously because Andre had the rock star charisma going on.
     
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    I take it you ask,why Fed is more popular than Sampras was among american..and not why there are more american Fed fans than European..:p

    Eh..maybe the fact that the American fans used to support more the other American..Andre Aggasi?..And now the american player are not that good as in Sampras era,and any true tennis fan will appreciate and be a fan of Fed's tennis now..
    But really that's just my opinion.
     
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  7. Ivanišević

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    If Sampras was a Croat I'll be Sampras fan obviously so that's why I don't get why are there a lot of american fed fans...
     
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  8. Shabazza

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    You really think this board is representative for all american and european tennis fans?!!!
     
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  9. Ivanišević

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    I guess..
    If not, what board is representative then?
     
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  10. Shabazza

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    Becker is german and I'm german, still I'm not a big fan of him...as you said, being a fan is not only about someone's game or nationality, obviously!
     
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  11. Shabazza

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    None, of course.
     
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    Well..that's not how many tennis fans choose the players who they will support.I mean at first,it can be a reason but as you become more hard-core tennis fan,you support,at least me,players for other more important,if I may say from a tennis scope,reasons..Off -on court personality,style of game,sportsmanship etc..

    But..if I may add,without trying to be offensive or anything,what you describe it's also a characteristic of smaller countries when they get sucess in a sport.I know from my country.We suddendly win the Euro and everyone becomes an expert on european football..:rolleyes:
     
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  13. Shabazza

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    Com'on, you know that your EC win was one of the biggest surprises in recent sports-history. Overhype is to be expected! ;)
    Croatia winning DC wasn't that surprising, imo. Can't be compared, really. But I know what you mean.
     
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  14. Tezuka Kunimitsu

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    for me it was between roddick or federer. I started watching tennis a fell in love with roddick's power, then saw everything federer had...shot making, attitude, his strokes (inside out)... well the rest is pretty obivious. I am a federer fan.

    ~Joe
     
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    lol yeah.. Croatia does have a tradition in tennis,but what I meant to say is....smaller nations,who don't have as many successes in sports as for example USA etc,tend to be more..ehm.."patriotic" when it comes to sports.;)

    lol Just count how many cypriot and greek posters have suddendly come to MTF or TW after February..;)
     
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  16. Shabazza

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    Yeah - it's common everywhere!
    Take a (well-known) sport not famous in a given country - take a team or player of that country, who comes out and wins all of a sudden against some of the best players world-wide and the hype will start. And with the hype goes the bandwaggon!
    Fans will pop out - many of them will be there just as long as the team/player wins, but some (or some more ;) ) will grow a liking to the sport itself and other players and thus, new true fans of the sport are born, which (hopefully) leads to more players from this country and more bandwaggons as well. :cool:
     
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    Mostly evryone has given thoughful answers to this. For me, and the people that I've associated with who are Tennis Fans and happen to be Americans just simply appreciate Talent regardless of where that Player bornes from.

    The only time I get the American Spirit is during Davis Cup and I haven't gotten excited about Davis Cup since Sampras, Agassi, Courier were the main team.
    Last year when Agassi played Federer at the USO Finals, I was routing for Agassi because I like Agassi, not because he's American. This year, I was routing for Federer because I'm not a big Roddick Fan and I really like records being broken, which raises the Bar up a notch again.
     
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    This is exatctly the thing I don't understand...
    Ok, you don't like Roddick.. but still he's an american and he represent your country, doesn't he?
     
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    So are you saying that only Swiss should be allowed to root for Federer?
     
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    The only time Roddick represents America is when he's playing Davis Cup other than that, he nowhere near represents what opportunities most young Amreicans have been offered to advance their Tennis career. Roddick was chosen by whomever to be the next whatever but in reality, the vast majority of young upcoming Americans don't get the funding that Roddick got and hasn't proven worthy of yet imo.

    When the USTA starts going bigtime into putting not only a lot of money into their training programs and actually developing a training program. And offers that to potential players outside of the wealthy bracket in our society, then I would say " Let's go Americans Players "
     
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    no:)
    I mean, when you're watching USO final between Roddick and Federer.. It would be logical to route for Roddick, wouldn't it?
     
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  22. Andres

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    Not sure, Ivanisevic.
    For example, my five favourite players in the tour are Acasuso, Ljubicic, Bracciali, Nalbandian and Ancic, in that order
    If Acasuso meets Ljubicic, I want Chucho to win, but if Ljubicic meets Nalbandian, I'm not sure who do I want to win. It depends on the tournament, and how are they going in the year...

    But if THEORICALLY Ancic meets Monaco in a RG final, I want Mario to win, despite Monaco being Argentinian.
     
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  23. Warriorroger

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    Federer is a nice person, but a dynamic out of this world tennisplayer. Sampras fakes he is nice, but is a great player.
     
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  24. FedererUberAlles

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    I don't think a tennis bulletin board, mostly composed of Americans, is a good demographic.
     
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    I'm a Brit and would root for Federer over any Brit player - if that makes me unpatriotic, so be it.
     
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  26. The ball was in

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    That is a bit of a sweeping statement...i am a Brit...my fav players are/were: Edberg, Chang, Sampras and Fed...I can't stand Murray...don't ask me why but there is something about him that just doesn't appeal...altho I am starting to like or follow Henman a little more in his latter days...again, no rhyme or reason for it...maybe its my personality then again maybe i am a glory hunter :mrgreen:

    btw...i am not...i enjoy tennis for how it is played and the shot making that the above players were able to pull off
     
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    In one part of your reply, it says you like who you like and where they're from has no barring on your support. That I can understand and agree with. However the second part of your statement which says you would cheer for Fed over ANY British Player confuses me. I interpret that to mean, you don't like British Players at all regardless.

    You and I have the same feelings about Andy Murray & Tim Henman (weird)
    I'm not crazy about Murray either. I don't like the way he mopes around the court and talks to himself constantly as if he's complaining about everything. He seems to always have this sour looking expression on his face and doesn't put forth any excitement. But on the other side, I never liked Henman until these last few years and now I actually think the guy is cool. I've identified the reason for this. Earlier in his career, he was so groomed for winning Wimbledon that it was annoying. I thought even then, this guy is too small and has no real big weapons to take out the top contenders. There was no way I could see Henman beating Sampras at Wimbledon or Agassi for that matter. So there ws all this stupid pressure on him to succeed and it was weighing heavy on him to the point that he was always so freakin serious and stout looking when he played. All of Britian's eyes were upon him and it made him crazy. Now those same people have conceded that Sir Tim will never win Wimbledon and have moved on. Now Tim can relax and just enjoy his game good or bad and for the first time, he's smiling and having fun out there.
     
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  28. The ball was in

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    You have pretty much nailed what i was thinking lol freaky....but yeah...with Henman i think it was also down to the fact that if he did win wimbeldon then the LTA would take credit...when it was Henmans dad who helped fund his tennis and not the LTA...as for Murray...well, don't get me started lol Again, not sure what it is...I cannot stand him...his attitude...well...leaves allot to be desired in my opinion...i know other people that like that...i prefer to let the tennis and shot making do the talking...and not all the on court antics!! Don't get me wrong..showing emotion isn't a bad thing...but some players are a little over the top...:rolleyes:

    Blubarry...dare i ask which part of the UK you are from? I am from the south but looking to move to the NW later in the year.
     
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    Sorry but that says New England not England.


    But I hope to get there someday. I'm praying that I get to experience Wimbledon first hand.
    And not for nothing (as some say here) I can listen to a person from England talk all day. I love the accent
     
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    My bad!!

    Wimbledon is great...was fortunate to watch my idols playing...Sampras...and after watching him at Saddlebrook where he was in 'practice' mode and seeing him 'live' there is such a difference...he does hit a heavy ball and his serve...you can hear the spin!!

    Also got to see Federer at the final this year...needless to say I was cheering pretty loud for Fed!! But the atmosphere is great...you will love it BluBarry!!
     
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  31. tlm

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    I think there are a lot of frontrunner fans on this site!
     
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  32. Ivanišević

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    Tlm,
    what does the frontrunner fan mean?
     
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    Well at what point would you consider a Player not a front runner ? I can't get enough of watching Marcos Baghdatis, Paradorn Srichaphan, Olivier Rochus and Gael Monfils. Because each of them Win or Lose put so much of themselves into a match. They don't just play to get the crowd into it but the way they give 100% gets the crowd into it. And Rochus for being such a small guy, has heart & determination and plays this game likes he's gonna win regardless of who he meets. He's not afraid of anyone and I like that.

    Are they Front-Runners ?
     
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    i think sampras might not have been so popular in the states because of agassi's early image....and i dont know about sampras being more popular in europe or federer being more popular in the states than even in europe...

    agassi's image is everything made him popular in the states...sampras and federer were and are both popular all around the world....the fans recognize their greatness and place in tennis history
     
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    So in other words, your liking a player is CONDITIONAL on his nationality-i.e. that he/she is from your own country. Seems pretty pretty rigid and narrow minded to me.

    I find that most knowledgeable American tennis players/fans, do not like a player based solely on his country of birth. They tend to like players based on other factors, such as skills or personality. We are not quite as blindly nationalistic and narrow minded when it comes to sports, as people in smaller countries that don't have much of a history of world class athletes.
     
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    This statement was so to the point and accurate, I had to echo its' sentiments.
     
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    A frontrunner is somebody who always waits+sees whos the best player or team is, + then jumps on thier bandwagon.Then when that player starts to lose it, they become a fan of the next#1.They are not fans while the player is working his way up, they wait until he is on top.Which is the case for many of the fed fans!!
     
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    Yeah of course I know what you mean. I follow the Dallas Cowboys and at one time called myself a Fan but in the past ten years, all I can say is I follow their results. But everytime I say that to someone, they assume I became a fan when they were on Top. No, I started way on the bottom or at least they weren't winning Super Bowls that's for sure and I stuck with them even through these last pitful years.
     
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    A Cowboy fan in New England? How could you!! ;0

    Fed was one of my favorite players through 2001-03.

    His appeal for me is mostly aesthetic -- angles, spin, pace, and movement. For me, it's not only the most entertaining form of tennis, but in my mind, it's what tennis as a game is to me. His domination continues the conceit that "beautiful" tennis is best tennis.

    Outside of Fed, I don't consciously root for the top gun. I was a huge fan of Agassi, not because he was American, but because I just really liked the whole idea of a guy who wasn't born with great height or great serve and whose defining trait was taking away your best weapon.

    Tennis as a spectator sport is kinda like local theatre interrupted by gameplay. After every point, there is a period where we expect the two actors to react in some way or to appeal to audience from their "stage." If they don't, then that comes across as indifference, rendering the previous gameplay with little meaning but end-result, and then all you have is the nuances of gameplay and the end result. True power tennis is best conveyed live, not on TV; you can't appreciate the violence and the foot speed live. Without a contrast between baseliners and S&Vers, the game aspect on TV becomes monotonous.

    But I kinda wish nationalism was a bit stronger in tennis, though minus the hooliganism. I'd love to see more footie style crowds at ATP events, a la Rafter vs. Ivanisevic. What it would do is force the players to acknowledge a relationship between them and the crowd, which would I guess encourage their inner ham to come out. Gameplay may suffer as a result; but it would be more fun for the casual fan.
     
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    Welcome to kids and america LOL:rolleyes:
     
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    On this board, maybe there are a lot of Fed fans, but most American tennis fans are not diehard Federer fans. Sampras did get his share of fans. When he was playing Agassi, the crowds cheered for both guys. Federer doesn't have anywhere near that type of support in America, obviously. He was the villain in the 2005 USO final, and maybe somewhat in 2006. But American tennis fans will appreciate him and cheer for him in different situations since he's so talented, and we don't really care about nationality, we just want to see some good tennis. The US has had enough exposure, we've had enough athletes at the very top that we don't have to be fanatic at sporting events against other countries.
     
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    Also, to put this into perspective, there's only been a handful of men tennis players that sent our domestic crowd into a frenzy. And virtually all of them were showmen of some sort.

    The female players tend to be more dramatic, or at least there seems to be a more overt relationship between them and audience. Even though the Williams sisters have a complicated relationship with the American tennis audience, there certainly wasn't indifference there. You felt one way or the other about them.
     
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    The grandslams are for the individual tennis players imo. Davis Cup and Olympics are when you would cheer for your countrymen.
     
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    Along Phil's line, Americans aren't as easily pigeon-holed (narrowly defined) as the rest of the world would like.

    Some will root for the home guys; some will root for the underdogs; some will root for guys who wear their emotions on their sleeves; some will only root for unemotional players. And some like watching those who play with a flair and excellence above that of anyone they've ever seen - thus the Fed fans.

    Contrarian behavior is encouraged in the US - it leads to a lot of the new inventions - e.g. 'thinking outside the box' to use some MBA-speak.
     
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    A few interesting points you bring up Trickster.
    This is basically what we are talking about as to how Americans view Tennis Players outside of Davis Cup. It's all about the Player simle as that regardless of how hard some Sports Commentators try to make it into an American vs Whoever. We don't buy what they're selling. If you play with guts and give 100% and you're not just a bigass jerk, then you're gonna have American Tennis Fans. So to put it in its' most simple form, we are NOT American Tennis Fans here, We are Tennis Fans.
    Those that bring excitement to the game in their style of play are strongly welcomed. If I understand you correctly, as a Player and probably you are as well, do you get distracted easily with situations happening outside of the game? If Players made a habit of walking up to people and slapping them five or answering every yell or scream or bascially being Interactive with the Crowd while playing a match. It will alter their effectiveness. Sorry but that's will be the outcome. In this Sport, you have to stay as close to focused as possible. It is truly a Sport of Zenmanship <-- New Word
    The ability to become one with your body and inner thoughts in an attempt to move effortlessly and see the ball clearly and read your opponent faithfully. All of those things that can win you games will NOT happen if you're just out there kicking back having fun with the crowd, laughing and talking to everyone. Sure the Crowd will love it & you but they will also see you going home much sooner than you had hoped.
    That's what Davis Cup is for. Not for nothing but to hear people complain about the crowd getting rowdy during a Davis Cup match is crazy. You're rooting for the Home Team and you are trying to be as much a part of their win as possible. Just like in American Basketball & Football where the Crowd makes as much of a distraction as possible in hopes of a fault by the opposite Team Player. Did you ever see the crowd during a Free Throw at a Basketball game ? So I could care less how much noise they make during Davis Cup. It's all part of the packagejand if those guys can't take it, they shouldn't sign up for Davis Cup.
     
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    It's not so much that in itself, but tennis is unique in that it's one-on-one sport, played in an arena (thus spectator-around-stage setup), where competitors are not locked into a clock. What this means is that you have a point play and them a period of reaction/reflection, then you recommence with the next point. In other words, like baseball, you are allowed to process the game as a series of crisp give-and-take. After key or well-played points, the audience gets to see emotional and other reactions by the players. Body language, screams, and all that. In something like boxing or any time-based sport, it's impossible for the player to do that. Moreover when you do have a player who appeals to the audience, the effect in tennis is actually very strong. Golf works this way too, but golf does not directly involve an exchange between two people.

    Agreed, and that's the inherent problem with tennis on TV. For most players who exhibit a lot of body language out there -- which makes for good TV -- it's usually a sign of breaks in their concentration. The TV audience can't instinctively process this because they don't appreciate the full speed of the balls or the movement of the players. Really, the controlled violence of the pro male game. Without the style contrast of S&V vs. baseline tennis, the gameplay on TV looks like pong to the casual user.

    Ironically, that's also what makes the female game so interesting on TV. In any given era, there's only going to be a handful of female players with the poise and self-possession of a top pro male player. As a result, we see more players get down on themselves, how shifts in momentum are reflected in their body language, when players are using some kind of gamesmanship tactic, etc. In other words, the very things that diminsh the quality or even purity of gameplay enhances it as a "TV show."

    Hmm, about your Cowboys fixation . . .

    See, now you're just breaking my heart. A Niners fan who switches over to the Enemy? Oh well, if TO can do it, I suppose ex-Niners fans can too. ;)
     
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    Ok but what's your point here ?

    Alright I understand and agree with this. It's showbiz my friend. That's why the ladies wearing the shortest skirts get the most airtime. That's why the antics not only get airtime but replay as well. And I'm not necessarily against it. I realize that true diehard traditional Tennis Fans will stone me for that statement and tend to appreciate Wimbledon over all other Majors. They hold fast to the notion that the quality of the Sport sells itself. Well that maybe but you ain't gonna get some Dude who's the Marketing Manager for Cannon to agree with that. He's figured out that showing those long beautiful legs of Sharapova will push more Cameras. But I wonder if the Stats prove him right?
    I mean there are a lot probably more women who buy Cameras than men on that scale. And I would venture a guess they aren't impressed with Maria's legs. But anything and/or anyone who creates controversy that's not criminal of course, will get some sort of deal thrown at them. Because when their face is shown on TV, people pay attention and anyone who gets people to pay attention is money in the bank. Andre Agassi had it .. Pete Sampras didn't. Roger Federer doesn't either but I'd bet you Rafa does.


    I was never really a Niners Fan. I watched them but could care less who won their games. Yes, I guess I could call myself a Rads Fan at one point having grown up in the East Bay but when they moved to LA, that sealed the deal for me. I hated them .. no Fan loyalty in my eyes.

    It's going to be a long season of misery if Tuna & Co. are hanging their hopes & Dreams on T.O. solely. They better pass that ball around and get everybody involved because TO (good as he is) is not going to be the Savior of Dallas. He's not made that way. As much as he complains, he needs a supporting cast. McNabb allowed him to get under his skin. Bledsoe will not allow TO to get to him. You will never see sideline conversations like TO had with McNabb.
     
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