Question for Jason. RE: The new blog/Blade

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  1. Power Player

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    You played with 2 blades that apparently were 20 pts apart in swingweight. Is this correct?

    Do you know what the swingweight is supposed to be? I know when the black 6.1 demos came out last year people were excited by the "lower swingweight", but that basically ended up being a QC issue.

    I ask because I really like the specs of the current Blade 98, and if it comes out a little softer thats fine, but I hope nothing else changes.
     
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    Yes, the swingweights were really that far a part! I think the swingweights for both are supposed to be in the mid to high 320s. And we did have racquets that were in that range and those felt great.

    Jason, TW
     
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    Thanks for that info. So they lowered the swingweights of these sticks a little from last year. Not sure if I am happy about that move. I guess I will have to see how it demos and go from there.
     
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    I'm excited about having the new Blade swing weight be in the mid-320s, which is in my wheelhouse. As much as I love the black/gold BLX Blade, the SW hurt my arm.
     
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    The swingweight should be right around the 328-334 range. I think our average so far is 328ish.

    That is for the 18x20 version when strung.

    Chris, TW
     
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    Ok awesome..then that sounds like about the same as the prior one..sweet!
     
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    Chris - what is the target range for the 16x19? thanks!
     
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    and for the Steam 99? Thanks.
     
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    target range for blade sw 16* 19 pls and

    also please steam 99s target swingweight pls
     
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    20 swingweight points to again bad wilson quality control
     
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    Jason,
    any idea when the new 16x19 will be available to purchase?
     
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  12. Power Player

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    I believe you will see them on presale 11/15.
     
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    Pre-sale starts on 11/15

    Jason, TW
     
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    Stiffness

    Any chance you were able to get the stiffness rating of the 16x19 versus the 18x20 versions? Thanks :)
     
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    Come on Jay spill the beans on the new blade 16 x 19 ! any info would be nice come on buddy
     
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    As with all things Wilson, get TW to match them / pick a spec for you.

    I bought four Juice Pros this year and they were all over the place in terms of swingweight. It's a well known Wilson issue.

    For the sake of another $10/$20 or whatever, its money well spent to the get the retailer to spec them for you.
     
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    Alright, alright! I actually like the 16x19 Blade better than the 18x20. It gives me more power and spin. I also feel like the sweet spot is bigger. The downside would be the lack in torsional stability. It does tend to flutter more so than the 18x20 during those off center hits. I know the swingweights for both string patterns are very close, but I still feel like the 16x19 is more maneuverable and whippy.

    Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions.

    Jason, TW
     
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  18. Federerkblade

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    Jason thank you

    Question for you. would you say the pro open 2012 is significantly different from the blade 16 19 and worth purchasing ?

    Secondly are you going to switch to 99s
     
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    Thanks J! I know maneuverability is your fav aspect, so you must like it.
    Can't wait to try the 16x19 Blade. Wonder how it will compare to the Pro Open and Juice 100? All good choices for us 4.0's.
     
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    the Blade 98 looks really sharp! Does the 16x19 look the same?
     
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    @coolblue123,

    Yes, the cosmetic is the same on both of the 98's. It just has the different string patterns written on each of the frame in silver.

    Siobhan, TW
     
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    Thx Siobhan! u guys will get tons of orders for this stick!
     
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    Jason, I need some help/advice....I recently demoed the Juice 100 and really liked it. It was so user friendly and versatile. I also know the new 16x19 Blade is coming soon. Could you possible compare the J100 with the 16x19 Blade, since you have tried both? Would the Juice be a better fit for me?
    I usually like what you like, so your opinion is valuable to me. Is the Blade more of a "players stick"? I am currently using the Extreme 2.0 Mp, but am struggling to win with it.
     
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  26. gino

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    Quick question for TW Staff:

    What is the balance of the 16x19 Blade?

    Thanks

    Gino
     
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    Jason: Is there really a big power difference - spec has the 18x20 at low power, while the 16x19 is listed as medium. Also, is the power noticeably higher on the 16x19 than the current BLX Blade? Thank you!
     
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    I guarantee there is no power difference besides the difference you will get when you go to an open pattern. From what I am seeing, the Blade is the exact same as last one except they have 2 patterns. The Wilson QC is all over the place and that is why the numbers are a little off from each other. So Jason had one that whipped through the air faster, but I bet we could easily find him an open pattern stick with worse QC that is sluggish.
     
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  29. JackB1

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    where are you seeing the 16x19 Blade "listed"?
     
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    I'm sure the TW mob will review both racquets in due course, but I'm curious as to how dense (or open) the drill pattern is on the 16x19.

    Wilson have created another intriguing 6.1 18x20 / 16x18 type conundrum again....
     
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  31. Federerkblade

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    Th specs are not That diff from the blx version
     
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    Blade 98 18x20
    Headsize: 98 inches² (632 cm²)
    Length: 27 inches (686mm)
    Weight:±324g
    Balance:±2 HL
    Swingweight: ≈330kg•cm²
    Beam: 21,5mm
    Flex: ≈65RA
    String pattern:18x20


    Blade 98 16x19
    Headsize: 98 inches² (632 cm²)
    Length: 27 inches (686mm)
    Weight:±318g
    Balance:±1 HL
    Swingweight: ≈331kg•cm²
    Beam: 21,5mm
    Flex: ≈66RA
    String pattern:16x19
     
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    Ahh yes, the Juice 100. That was also a racquet I loved. The Juice 100 is definitely more maneuverable than the new Blade 16x19. The downside for me, on the Juice 100 was the stiffness. With my arm issues, I just couldn't consistently hit with it.

    I would say the Juice 100 is also more powerful. I feel like spin production is about the same. I like the Juice 100 over the Blade 16x19 for serves but I like the Blade over the Juice 100 for stability. I would say that the Blade is "more of a players stick" because it's slightly less powerful and more demanding to swing.

    Jason, TW
     
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    thanks J. I agree with what you said. I don't have any issues with stiff racquets anymore. I added 4 g's at 3/9 to my Juice demo and it was close to perfect. I didn't notice any stability issues either. So for now, it's time to Juice! I will demo the Blade when it comes out and I hope I don't like it! :)
     
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    TW - when will demos be available? Again, many thanks for the information.
     
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    I wouldn't base too much on a demo though. With Wilson poor QC, you could get a lighter or heavier one from what is stated in the specs. It would just be a good reference.
     
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    srvnvly,

    Demos should be available mid December.

    Brittany, TW
     
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  38. srvnvly

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    How does the stability, swing weight and plow through compare on the 16x19 version to the current (18x20) version? thank you!
     
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    It seems the power and swingweight of the new 2013 blade versus older BLX, when you consider mfg variances, could be about the same. Jason can you comment? The open pattern blade seems perfect, sans instability..
     
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    They are very very close. But if I had to pick one for stability and plow through, I'd go with the current 18x20.



    Yes, I'd say that the new versions of the Blade are exactly that, newer versions of the Blades. There aren't any revolutionary changes, no big changes to the specs, but the biggest different is in the feel. Much crisper response, greater feedback. Of the 2 string patterns, the open one is right up my alley. It just adds a tad more pop and ball pocketing.

    Jason, TW
     
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    Jason, Can you compare/contrast the Donnay Pro One to the 98 16X19? In you review of the Donnay, you thought the SW was too high for you. But the 98 feels good. Is that just a "feel" thing?
     
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    Good question! I think it's a combination of things. I think the Blade 98 I used for our playtest spec'd out a bit lower than what we have on our website. I also do think it's a mental/feel thing.

    Jason, TW
     
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  43. LightHeaded

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    Looks like the playtesters made a pretty big deal about the lack of control of the open string pattern. Was it really that noticeable? Did anyone try to string a little tighter to see if that solved the problem? I'm currently hitting with the Steam 99 and find that I can't take a full swing even at higher tensions. What fun is that!? I expect that new blade to be very similar to the latest radical pro which also has the open string pattern. Would you say that is a good comparison?
     
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    Yes, it does take a little getting used to because the ball is launching at a higher angle than normal. I do find that when I string it up around 61-62lbs, I get back some of that control. So far, loving the Steam 99S still.

    Jason, TW
     
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    But would you say the launch angle is any different than any other open string racket (the steam or radical pro or prestige pro as examples)?
     
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    Yes, it's unlike any other racquet I've ever hit (except for Steam 105S). The trajectory is higher and takes some getting used to. But once I did, I was loving life

    Jason, TW
     
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    Jason

    Any lead mods ? If so, how much and where ?

    Thanks
     
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    Yup. Added about .4 ounces of lead to the handle of the racquet. I originally had some added to 10 and 2 o'clock as well but found the swingweight to be too high for me. In stock form, it was already in the 330s. I like what I have right now, with it being just a bit more head light.

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    Jason, TW[/QUOTE]

    My questions were regarding the blade 16x19 but I think you answered about the 99s. Can you confirm?

    My original question was, is the extra power/lack of control any more noticeable in the blade than any other open string racket?
     
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    Oops! You're right. I answered for the 99S. As for the open string pattern Blade, I don't think it's more significant than any 16x19 racquet. Just more in comparison to the 18x20.

    Jason, TW
     
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