Question for tennis historians

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  1. zam88

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    We talk a lot on here about winning a slam without dropping a set.

    The most sets you can drop and still win a title is.. 14?

    What's the most number of sets dropped in route to winning a title? Has anyone done 12-14?

    I'd be pretty surprised if anyone actually even hit double digits with the way the draws are set up and getting to play some pretty weak competition early.
     
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  2. zagor

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    Edberg in 1992 USO comes to mind, so does Fed's 2009 FO.

    Will check the exact numbers now.

    Edit: Edberg lost 7 sets.

    Fed lost 6 sets.

    Meh, not even close to the number you're asking.

    Borg in his 1974 FO win, lost 8 sets according to atp site.
     
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  3. McEnroeisanartist

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    The most sets lost in winning a Grand Slam is 11. This "record" is shared by Boris Becker - 1985 Wimbledon and Gustavo Kuerten - 1997 French Open.
     
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  4. zam88

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    thanks.

    i kind of figured even double digits would be hard to find.. i don't know how long grand slams have even been 7 rounds.

    maybe they used to be 6 rounds so 12 sets tops.


    if you won the tournament, i'm guessing along the way you straight setted quite a few suckas
     
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  5. zam88

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    thanks, interesting... that's a TON of sets!
     
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  6. Duncan Bell

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    Interesting question. 11 is high...
     
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  7. JMR

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    Incorrect. Both Becker and Kuerten lost only 8 sets in those tournaments.

    Becker d. Pfister 3-1
    Becker d. Anger 3-0
    Becker d. Nystrom 3-2
    Becker d. Mayotte 3-2
    Becker d. Leconte 3-1
    Becker d. Jarryd 3-1
    Becker d. Curren 3-1

    I'm not going to list Guga's matches, but trust me: they add up to only eight sets lost. However, it is true that Becker and Kuerten share the open era record for most sets lost while winning a slam.
     
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  8. JMR

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    Too high, as it turns out. No one in the open era has played more than 30 sets at a single slam, whether winning it or not.
     
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  9. Mustard

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    Here they are:

    Boris Becker - 1985 Wimbledon
    R128: Boris Becker def. Hank Pfister (4-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
    R64: Boris Becker def. Matt Anger (6-0, 6-1, 6-3)
    R32: Boris Becker def. Joakim Nystrom (3-6, 7-6, 6-1, 4-6, 9-7)
    R16: Boris Becker def. Tim Mayotte (6-3, 4-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-2)
    QF: Boris Becker def. Henri Leconte (7-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    SF: Boris Becker def. Anders Jarryd (2-6, 7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
    FR: Boris Becker def. Kevin Curren (6-3, 6-7, 7-6, 6-4)

    Gustavo Kuerten - 1997 French Open
    R128: Gustavo Kuerten def. Slava Dosedel (6-0, 7-5, 6-4)
    R64: Gustavo Kuerten def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-4, 6-2, 4-6, 7-5)
    R32: Gustavo Kuerten def. Thomas Muster (6-7, 6-1, 6-3, 3-6, 6-4)
    R16: Gustavo Kuerten def. Andrei Medvedev (5-7, 6-1, 6-2, 1-6, 7-5)
    QF: Gustavo Kuerten def. Yevgeny Kafelnikov (6-2, 5-7, 2-6, 6-0, 6-4)
    SF: Gustavo Kuerten def. Filip Dewulf (6-1, 3-6, 6-1, 7-6)
    FR: Gustavo Kuerten def. Sergi Bruguera (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
     
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  10. urban

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    Don 't know the exact numbers at the moment, but look at Schroeder Wim 1949 or Cochet Wim 1927. Cochet lost 6 sets alone in the last 3 rounds.
     
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  11. JMR

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    But Cochet lost only one set in the previous rounds, for a total of seven. Schroeder lost a total of eight.

    I do not know what the all-time record is, but the open era record is definitely eight sets, as I've noted.
     
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  12. Hood_Man

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    I'd love nothing more than to witness some up and coming "nobody" win their first major for the loss of 14 sets.

    For some reason I thought Goran had this record when he won Wimbledon, but he lost "only" 7 sets.
     
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  13. nikdom

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    If you think about it, one would have to be pretty strong physically and mentally to win a slam with the loss of 14 sets. That means a player spent a lot of time on court unproductively (lost sets) and the deeper he/she goes, the harder it is actually to eke out those wins. So I don't think up and comer is likely to put that kind of performance together.
     
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    Edberg made it to the final playing 3 back to back 5 setters. Guess he dropped another set to Sampras in the final.
     
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  16. smoledman

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    Becker lost 8 sets in his 1985 Wimbledon run, not 14.
     
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