Question re ball toss when serving to the forehand

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by laurie, Apr 14, 2007.

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When serving to the forehand do you

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  2. Toss the ball to the right?

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  3. Did your coach advise tossing to the left?

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  4. Did your coach advise tossing to the right?

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  1. laurie

    laurie Guest

    Hi. I'm pretty intrigued as to people's prefernces so I did a poll.

    When you serve wide to the forehand on the decuce court, do you toss the ball to the right or to the left? I toss the ball to the left, I find it a lot easier to come over it when swinging it wide, I also find I get more kick and action. When I toss it to the right, I find I'm reaching for the ball and swing the racquet around the ball more - it feels unatural to me but I'm sure coaches say to toss the ball to the right.

    Also, on the ad court I also toss the ball to the left to serve down the centre, again, I seem to get more kick and swerve and speed too.

    What do you lot do here - I'll be interested to know what you do and what advice you got from coaches.
     
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  2. EZRA

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    Tossing differently would give out your serve wouldn't it? Toss it same as how you normally toss your serve, the direction relies on how the serve was hit.
     
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  3. fgs

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    when tossing the ball more to the left, you have more kick on it. when you toss it to the right, you'll have a slice serve. depending on the angle you hit the ball, shoulder position etc., you will finally impart direction on that shot. so it is possible to have a kickserve to the deuce court on the forehand, but it's rather more usual to go for a slice, since that would by the bounce, open the court up even more = taking your opponent wider.
     
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  4. J011yroger

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    I vary toss depending on type of serve, not location. Some people hit every serve in the book off the same toss.

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  5. Raiden.Kaminari

    Raiden.Kaminari Semi-Pro

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    As both J0llyroger and EZRA posted, best is to keep the same toss as you normally do, so that you don't give a "tell." Then again, this is for advance players.
     
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  6. laurie

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    Thanks for your interesting answer. I am able to keep the ball swinging wide so it's definitely sliding away. With this ball toss it allows me to do a few things:

    hit to the forehand, hit a kicker to the backhand, hit fast deliveries with a lot of spin down the centre or into the body, hit the second serve in the same place I hit the first should I miss the first serve - I have no problems with feeling I have to hit a safe type of second serve, often I can be much more aggressive with my delivery because the spin is giving me the control to all areas of the box. I also serve pretty deep.

    I had a very interesting conversation a few years ago with a lady coach. We were discussing Pete Sampras' serve. She said that Sampras often uses a combination of slice and topspin on his serves to all areas of the box. I thought about it and saw that was something quite brilliant. That technique allowed him to take more chances on his second serve when it came to speed and placement and spin.

    Then I started to look at other players more closely. I saw that Amelie Mauresmo likes to go wide on her second serve to the forehand in the deuce court and is quite successful with that play - she also uses a toss to the left. I also noticed Rafter did the same.

    Then I looked at players like Capriati and Dementieva (two extreme examples I know) They regularly toss the ball to the right, when the get nervous - they toss it even more to the right and consequently hit a lot of double faults because they are not in control of what they are doing.

    The ace Sampras hit at matchpoint in the 1999 Wimbledon final sums up his technique. It was a second serve ace in the ad side - 113mph to Agassi's forehand - It both kicked and swerved and had Agassi grasping for thin air in a desperate attempt to reach it as it curved away from him.

    Two players who I think served great by tossing above their heads more slightly to the right was Davenport and Graf, they both favoured that technique when serving wide to the forehand, but I stress it was only slightly to the right, nothing like Capriati and Dementieva.

    But basically I am able to hit second serves with absolute confidence with tossing to the left and have hit quite a few second serves aces out to the forehand in matches because my opponents are not expecting that sort of boldness and because with the same toss to the left I can hit big down the middle with a lot of spin as opposed to flat by tossing it to the right. I can keep my opponents guessing.
     
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  7. fgs

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    laurie,
    what i meant to say is that the spin and not the placement is dependent on the way you toss a ball. if you toss the ball up to your right (assuming you are a righthander) you will have physical difficulty to place the racquet head over the ball (at least diagonally) in order to get kick or topspin. when you toss the ball to the left, you again will face difficulty to get somehow under the ball to play slice. so, by the way you toss the ball, left or right, one type of spin will be more accessible than the other.
    placement of your serve is a completely different matter, and a good tennisplayer will be able to hit whatever kind of serve to whatever particular place in the service boxes. now, that of course take practice, practice, practice, .... :D and not to forget the proper physical conditioning too.:D
     
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  8. laurie

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    Actually FGS, you are right. It does take a lot of practice and practice. For those willing to put in a lot of practice, they will really get nice rewards and increased confidence in their delivery. Especially in the big moments of the game, that's when the practice pays off.
     
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  9. mctennis

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    I have the same ball toss for all my serves. I adjust the point of contact when I want to target a certain place on the court.
     
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