Racket change?

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  1. coachb

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    I am a 50 year old 4.5 to 5.0 player. I am currently in the 6th week off from tendinitis of the rotator cuff. I have not hit a ball in that time, I am playing with the rok 93 strung at 54 lbs before the injury. Should I go ahead and try the rok and see how it feels or order a 5g and not take a chance of reinjuring the shoulder, I also have 2 tour 10 volkls 93 head size to try. I dont want to wait another 8 weeks for the same injury, but then again the roks were very good for the tennis elbow that I some time had. Any experience in this area would be greatly appreciated this is a first time shoulder injury for me. Again thank you.
     
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  2. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    Like for any site, pls use first the search facities available.
    Many have posted already on similar issues.
    like do a search on
    rotator cuff
    or
    shoulder pain
    etc
    (with ALL terms)

    E.g. check my and the other postings at:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=23292
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=19626
    and you'll find many ideas.

    Also check my posting
    at:
    Great Fitness Sites
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=23127
    and
    check the
    Tennis Injuries (General)
    and the
    Shoulder areas in it
     
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    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    I hope that by now you read all those threads I pointed you at:))
    Seriously.


    Now, on the racket.

    If you had no elbow problems with it, and esp as you string relatively low, it's not the racket, but your technique or your muscle conditioning, thus read those threads.

    However, it it's the Rok Lite
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-ROKLITE.html
    at 10.9oz that's too light.
    Think at least 12oz.

    However, which strings?
     
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  4. coachb

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    Yes I did read them and printed out the mtsu article. I string my roks at 54 with ematrix 17 guage, I am left handed and like to take advantage of that fact, and hit quite a spin serve into the backhand of the right handers I play(no profanity from the righties)so maybe it is a problem with form as I hit the ball somewhat out to the side and not completelyover my head, to get that extra kick out wide. I just had not seen many people say that the problem is caused by rackets as with tennis elbow. I know that the 5gs are supposed to be good for joint problems and was just wondering if it would be safer to start out using them right away or stay with the roks. I also have a tour 10 93 and I was wondering if they would maybe a little safer than the roks
    thanks again
     
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    Did you check this article too?
    http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.tennisinjuries.htm
    as it deals with possible corrections for the shoulder problems.

    You don't say if yours is the Rok Lite? That's important.

    Anyway, even the original Pro Staff Rok seems to be only
    11oz, correct? That's too light.

    I'd say it's too light and test with Volkl before buying the 5g which indeed is very good for the arm, but it might be perhaps too heavy, if your shoulder is not strong enough.

    Also, check:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/viewtopic.php?t=24875
    as Zverev there is also using a Volkl, not sure if the same.

    But perhaps you kick technique is a problem, perhaps too exagerated.
     
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    other than your stroke production........the rok is a very soft playing frame..i am not familiar w. ematrix but the tension is fine and if ematrix is a soft string, thats not the problem. the only issue that the rok might cause you is that it is hard to move fast for many people on the serve, so it may be too heavy for you, and that could have caused your shoulder problem. do you find yourself really having to work hard to get the spin on your serve you speak of? racquets indeed can contribute to shoulder probs of people with good mechanics..just ask tommy haas and goran... and goran is a sinister lefty just like you :) i also found the dunlop 200g hard on the shoulder (i realize haas is using a modifed 200gHM). so if the Rok feels heavy to you, that could be your problem..ie. if you find yourself having to work really hard to swing the Rok fast at the end of your session, it may be time to a change to something lighter..hoping this helps and go easy on that shoulder for a while.....ice it RIGHT after, and non steroidal anti-inflammatories (Alleve not Advil) are good. luck to you
     
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    OK, I was able to find a page for the original (not lite) Rok:
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-ROK92.html
    Strung Weight: 11.8oz / 335g
    this is not too bad, not too heavy not too light.

    It seems to be discontinued now, not able to find any
    Feedback from users there.

    Do you have this one or the Lite?

    Unfortunately, I am not able to see its stiffness. Guess it's not too stiff, if I remember well.

    I'd say experiment with the Volkl, see how do you feel.
     
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    This guy is a 50yo, we dont know his strength, and many young guys have shunned the rok both because it feels too heavy for them (especially on the serve where shoulder probs most likely come from), and because it has a small sweetspot. i think we can agree that hitting outside of the sweetspot can cause a player angst (not saying that coachb is). i've spent some time w. this frame. so coachb, the only other suggestion i make is that if you werent making good consistent sweetspot contact w. the small headed Rok, then time to move up to a larger sweetspotted frame....the weight and sweetspot size would be the two possible issues with this frame..the racquet is very flexy,,..if you do change racquets, be sure to pick something you can swing fast for however long your sessions last.
     
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    In terms of technique, you might want to check your archer's/trophy/power position
    in order to see the angle your upper arm makes with the upper body.
    Check
    http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.tennisinjuries.htm
    as it deals with possible corrections for the shoulder problems.

    At least for me, it helps when the upper arm is high enough (at least 90 degrees with the upper body), perhaps similar to Federer:)) I can generate more power easier.

    Some people are keeping it quite low and closer to the upper body (that was prevalent years ago) and I am not sure of the effect on the shoulder then.

    Also, do you still have your racket which you used before the Rok?
    You might want to do some testing with that too.
     
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    Yes I use the 93 rok not the lite, I usually hit with the juniors in the area so I am probably trying to also hit with as much power as them. The rok has been good for my tennis elbow, but it seems as though the troubles with my shoulder showed up shortly after using it. I also coach HS tennis both boys and girls and then play all winter and give lessons in the summer so there is not too much time for rest and I am paying for it now. The flex on a rok is I believe 60, like I said before I also have 2 tour 10 volkls 93 head size and I wonder if they would be better on the arm strung loosely. I guess I am trying to think of anything to get back on the court.
     
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    Well, as NoBadMojo said, 60 is quite flexible.

    The fact that you're playing a lot could be a factor. Were you doing any conditioning exercises for your shoulder/rotator cuff? Whatever racket will you be using in the future, you will have to start doing those exercises as shown per the sites .... but only when you have no pain and very gradually.

    Do a search at Google too:
    http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
    use:
    Find messageswith all of the words:
    rotator cuff subluxation
    or
    rotator cuff
    you'll find lots of feedback from sufferers,
    one here indicating this very valuable book, which was originally only $20 but now it might be difficult to get:

     
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