Rafa at it again.........

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  1. TennezSport

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    There is already a system in place for injured players. They can use their previous ranking to gain automatic entrance into four tournaments when they come back that they can not get into due to their ranking. In addition to this top of the line players like del potro are given wild cards and are not forced to play qualies.
     
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    The more I think of this, the more I'm with Federer on this one. Tennis should not just be fair, but more so interesting. A guy like Djokovic would not have been no. 1 right now would be a shame. It makes it interesting that a guy like Delpo has to claw his way back, that Djoko can play 5 or 6 good tournaments and suddenly be no. 1. Besides, after a bad year with injuries it now takes TWO years to lose those lack of points again.

    No, I like it this way.
     
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    So under a two year ranking system even with the season Djoker had in 2011, Nadal would still be ranked #1. Now we see what's really going on. Has nothing to do with protecting guys from injury. Plus it would make weeks at #1 records meaningless if they adopted the inane 2 year system.
     
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    A ranking system that favors players who can only stay healthy for half the year, instead of players who stay healthy throughout the year !!!

    Rafa, this is too good :D

    Are we trying to encourage players to bust their guts and risk injury this way ???
     
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    Ridiculous, but already discussed in another thread as far as I know.
    Rafa should really know better than to come up with **** like that.
     
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    From a spectator's stand point, I agree with Fed. First off, it is suppose to be hard to stay at number one. In the past years we've been so use to long periods of domination that I guess the players themselves start thinking that should be a normal thing. But for us, how many have already bored of the same late tournament match ups and cry for some new blood. If the player get more help through this 2 yr system, we are going to see pretty much the same standings for a long time and eventually to a point where the rankings don't even matter much because it will be so stale.
     
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    That means Nadal would NEVER have been #1. Federer despite losing RG and Wimby in 2008 and many other tournaments would still have been #1. :lol:
    Nadal is a joke! He brings this up now as opposed to back then when he was clawing for the #1 ranking.
     
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    Players can take time off if they want and lose a few ranking points.

    If they decide to sacrifice their bodies for points then they pay the price.
    If they have poor scheduling they pay the price.

    They all know that so the real reason is to stay near the top, not a good reason and the ones who listen to their bodies and schedule with intelligence lose this advantage.
     
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    Nadal would be ranked number one right now under the 2 year ranking system.
     
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    And that hasn't been said multiple times in this thread already. Thanks for the unbelievable insight.
     
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    He only gives a crap about himself. Boo Hoo, big bad bully Djokovic took his beloved #1 ranking and now poor Rafa wants to change the rules! :cry:
     
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    Right. That's why he wants the 2 year system because it benefitted him the most, especially when he's getting older. Pretty selfish guy.
     
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    Typical class and good sportsmanship from Federer.

    Typical crude selfishness from the Paleolithic baboon.

    Is it a suprise really?
     
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    Nadal has really got inside the head of his haters, this is fun :D
     
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    Exactly.
    It all comes down to proper scheduling, even when there are perhaps too many mandatory tournaments (btw, both Federer and Nadal are allowed to skip one extra mandatory masters tournament, as both of them have played more than 600 matches at ATP level, so there you go!).

    It would be a disgrace to all upcoming younger players, as well as to those coming back from an injury. The only ones who would benefit are the top dogs - as if they don't get enough benefits already (easier draws, byes).

    :evil: :evil: :evil:

    Rafa, please stop talking out of your ***.
     
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    Do you have a holy worshipping altar for him at home, or do you realize that he's still just a human guy who once in a while talks BS like all of us?

    You do not have to be a 'hater' to recognize that he's completely off on this matter.
     
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    Oh, so the entire golf ranking system is BS? :lol:
     
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    Golf isn't a sport. It's a leisure activity for old ladies and porn addicts.
     
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    Golf is not tennis. We're talking about tennis. Who cares about the golf ranking system.
     
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    He brought this up when he lost his #1 ranking. He should pick his spots a little better when asking for change. :lol:
    He's also the same guy who said there are too many hardcourt events. It hurts his knees. No other player ever had an issue with hardcourts except him.
    Come on Nadal. Help us help you! Talk sense! :)
     
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    nadaltardwon2012, this ain't golf. Players actually break a sweat playing tennis you know. :lol:
    If Nadal likes the 2 year ranking system, he should go into golf instead. I heard he's quite good actually. Might have a bright future.
     
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    I'm with SexiRog on this one - a 12 month ranking is just dandy.
     
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    When Roger lost his #1 in 2008 Nadal didn't demand a 2 year system, which would have Roger remain at #1.

    His selfishness is a reason why he never won the ATP Fan Favorite award.
     
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    Nadal would never have achieved the #1 ranking under the system wants.
     
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    Tiger Woods was ranked #1 as late as October 2010 despite not having won a major since June 2008, and despite not having won a tournament since September 2009. Yeah, I'd call that a joke.

    Also, golf is an entirely different "sport" than tennis. Rankings aren't nearly as important; there's no real difference in being 1 or 50 for the majority of tournaments, aside from the prestige factor.
     
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    I feel sorry for the players who won the majors when Tiger was almost nonexistent, who are worthy or being ranked higher than him.
     
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    Sorry Rafa, you are VERY wrong on this one. It's supposed to be very difficult to be at/near the top of the tennis world rankings.
     
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    Oh we can use the system at the end of 2012, this way we can protect Djokovic's no 1 position while Nadal would have to outperform Djokovic's 2011 season to get back to no 1. I think Rafito came a bit too late with his idea.:)
     
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    Except that he is not Nº 1 now. So just how would this help his be Nº 1 again?.

    Anyway, wasn't this discussed already?.

    I seem to remember Marcelo Ríos complaining about that... or about the year ending with HC events.
     
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    http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=15421&zoneid=25
     
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    I hope it does not happen. The one year ranking is the accurate description of who is best, and it should stay that way.
     
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    Somebody should explain to Nadal that under a 2-year ranking system, you need MORE time to get back to your ranking when you come back from injury, because your non-participating in events remains longer in your ranking points.

    Not only is this a bad idea, it's a logic fail from Nadal.
     
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    Of course Nadal wants to tailor the ranking system and the schedule to meet his personal needs and style of play but it's a bit selfish in my opinion.
     
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    That's okay, getting back from injury is probably just an excuse anyway. The timing is all-important, and he's, of course, proposing this when it would enable him to recover the #1 without playing (he would have been more credible had he suggested it when this would have made him lose the #1 to Federer... fat chance of that happening, of course... ;))

    Bad idea all the way, and that's putting it mildly. Not the kind of thing that will help his PR, that's for sure.
     
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    As Nadal is basically allowed to use all the time in the world between points, coaching and 9-minute MTO's, should he get his wish with the 2-year ranking system, I guess he should then demand that:

    A) All the tournament be played on clay (for the health of the players, of course)

    B) All players have to play left-handed (for fairness' sake, of course)

    :lol:
     
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    Muster did.
     
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    Terrible idea! what is Nadal thinking?

    Thankfully I don't think it's going to happen with players like Federer around. Just imagine if Nadal had the opportunity to make decisions....
     
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    *sigh* if Rafa is so concerned about injuries why doesn't he cut back his schedule or change his game? I tell you, he makes it hard to like him sometimes....
     
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    Nobody takes into account what Nadal has to say about anything. He has no education. Why would anybody give a crap what he thinks? Basically Nadal should just shut up and do what he's paid to do and stop whining. :lol:
     
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    Would be interesting for a poll to be taken to see what the other players on the tour think about this!

    Tend to think Roger has got this one right though. The upside is the drama and excitement of seeing the #1 player being overtaken by an on-fire rival within the space of a few months as Nadal was by Djokovic earlier this year. The downside is seeing Monfils and Almagro constantly moving into the top 10 every other week and then moving out again.
     
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    Everything coming from Nadal is a conspiracy now...
     
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    Don't worry his camp already bought that up asking 60 percent of the tour to be on clay. Reduce hardcourts.....Nadal says it less productive cause to injuries and is eady on the knees for everyone.
     
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    And the healthiest places would be at Roland Garros and Monte Carlo of course! :)

    And should slow down their serves and forehands and never move from the baseline. That way they would never get too tired from all that running about and would protect their shoulders. After all, they should just look what happened to Djokovic when he didn't do that and take it as a warning! :wink:
     
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    The two year ranking wouldn't make it less difficult, would it?, since it'd make it harder to get there.

    http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Federer-And-Nadal-At-Odds-over-Proposed-Two-Year-R.aspx

    What are you talking about?, I'm sure no one is proposing that the two year ranking would affect the current rankings of players. :|

    There would be a vote, wouldn't there?. It's not up to Rafa nor Fed.
     
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    Problem with Nadal's suggestion is, where do you draw the line? A 2-year ranking system is better than a 1-year ranking system? How about 3 years or 4 years? Or a ranking system in perpetuity?
    I'm a bit disappointed with Rafa for making this suggestion. Roger is right on this one. It would not be fair to the regular guys on the tour, and the top players should have the lower ranked players' concerns at heart if they sit on the council.
     
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    It should be hard to get there, not stay there. I already gave the Tiger Woods example. He was #1 for TWO YEARS without winning a major, and a year without winning a tournament. Imagine that situation in tennis. Top level players don't need or deserve that level of protection.

    Seriously, I don't know why you're defending his position on this. It's an incredibly stupid and self-serving idea. Even most of his more ardent fans on here think it's ridiculous.
     
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    Shouldn't it be hard to both get there and stay there?. With a two year ranking, it'd be harder to get there than it it now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now.

    I'm defending it not because I agree with it, but because of precisely that kind of comments. Just how is it stupid and/or self serving?. I don't think anyone has explained this.
     
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    precisely. it would be harder to get there than it is now, and it'd be easier to stay there than it is now. the top players don't nearly have to work as hard to stay atop the rankings while the lower ranked players would need to work even harder to climb up the rankings.
     
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