Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by VamosRafa, Jul 14, 2006.
He should play Toronto. Toronto is a Masters event. You should not skip a Masters event if you are healthy. Skipping a Masters event wont help you be ready for a Grand Slam, that is dumb thinking.
That's what Fed did last year -- skipped Canada, played Cincy and was ready for the U.S. Open, which he won.
Conversely, Rafa played too much, ended up going back home after losing in Cincy, and was pooped when he got to Flushing Meadows, losing in the third round.
The issue with Rafa is that he hasn't had a break since Monte Carlo, and doesn't want to be away from home for potentially more than a month. This decision will give him some rest and will limit the amount of time he's away from home.
I'm impressed with the way he is managing his career. He may have more longevity than most think.
And scheduling back to back masters events 2 weeks before the US Open is absurd. Who cares about Montreal or Cincinnati. There are just warmups for the US Open. Playing both is a good way to peak early.
Who cares? fans, sponsors, atp ranking points. All the great pros should play the canadian masters series event.
Roger had a foot injury or something at the time of Canada I thought.
He did. I was going to that tournament just so that I could see him play live again. I was bummbed because I had already bought the tickets. I think it was plantar fasciitis.
which of these events does he have to defend? everyone is speculating on his potential at becoming number one by early next year, but if he doesnt defend his summer events, it cant happen.
I'm pretty sure it's both of them.
Canada, but he has nothing to defend at Cincy and very little at US Open. So if he's fresh for those events, there's a chance for him to improve point-wise. And of course the Wimbledon finalist points were a boost.
Certainly, Rafa's goal is to be No. 1 some day, but he's smart enough to know that he isn't going to get there by overplaying and then underperforming at key events, as he did at times last year. He's picking his spots, which is smart.
Still, I understand the disappointment to the fans and to the tournament. I had every intention of going to Toronto, and would have the trip fully booked, except I had to change my plans because of family commitments. So instead, I booked Cincy with a half-heart, because Mason, Ohio isn't my favorite travel destination, although I do like the tournament itself.
Exactly. He is confident and determined to win slams on hard courts.
We may get surprised yet again,.., proly sooner than everybody expect.
There were points to defend at Bastad, Stuttgart and Montreal, all of which he won in 2005. His final appearance at Wimbledon will help, but as a result of missing these tournaments, he will have 225 less points than he had at the start of Cincinnati last year.
hes not going to win the us open.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Safin will win the US Open.:mrgreen:
Common you big Russian, I know you can do it.
Gone are the days of watching Federer and Roddick in Toronto. I guess this masters series event is gonna turn to crap too, since top pros don't wanna show up. There goes my only chance to see them...
I agree he should withdraw from clay events. However, I don't agree with the proposition that he can be ready for US Open by playing just one event before that.
US Open is super fast, might be more so this year than before. For the past two years, he struggled mightily on the surface, more so than anywhere else. I just don't understand why two events last year before the Open made him tired. He lost in the first round of Cinci. It's different for Federer who has experience on the surface.
In this case, I agree with Gilbert. Last year after Montreal, Gilbert predicted Nadal would challenge for the title. However, he has since changed his tune completely, which match mine all along. US Open will be the toughest tournament for Nadal to win, including Wimbledon. As long as Nadal can past first week of Wimbledon, he can get far because of overall slowness. US Open will be faster and faster.
It doesn't seem that taxing of a warm-up for him to play only the two Masters series events in Toronto and Cincy. Even assuming he wins both, which isn't likely (though he'll go deep in at least one), that's a good two weeks of 3-set matches with a week of rest before the US Open begins. He needs to get used to the surface speed and bounce, and two tournaments sounds fine.
Plus, he's got mucho points to defend from Canada last year, no?
Awww I might be going to toronto during that tournament and I wanted to make fun of Nadal...
i think nadal will defend his pts at toronto, and then play cincy...rest up for 1 week and will be ready to go for the open, but federer wont play till cincy, because he has pts to defend there, and is already well experienced on the fast hard courts, being the double defending us open champion
So you guys don't believe the Spanish press, and you think he will indeed play Toronto?
It would be nice if Rafa and Federer each played one TMS event, and not at the same one. It is a bit ridiculous to play back to back TMS events before the open, but its not fair to the fans in those cities, who are buying tickets thinking they get to see the top 64 players in the world (the whole idea of the TMS events) and then the top 2 players not even showing up.
Is there any indication Roger won't play Toronto this year?
Federer is scheduled to play both Toronto and Cincinnati. He did not play Toronto last year due to injury, so he has no points to defend and can put some more distance between himself and Nadal.
Is there any indication Roger won't play Toronto this year?
And I understand your point. As an example, I flew all the way to China to watch the best of the best in the Masters Cup.
I did see some great tennis there, and I was glad to see Bob and Mike Bryan doing their stuff on court and off court (with their band), but the singles event was lacking, so to speak.
But that happens. At Masters Cup events, I've seen great tennis. Including Roger's great play to win in Houston in 2003-2004.
I did go to Shanghai in 2005. Roger's play was a big dodgy there, but I'm thinking that I'll skip a few years, and will go again when the event is in Europe.
I think the Masters Cup is the best bang for your tennis buck in many ways, but when it's in China, it adds some new dimensions.
Is any of this confirmed?
I'll be flying out to Toronto and was hoping to see Federer, Agassi, and Nadal amoungst others.
No word on Federer or Agassi.
But I suspect you won't be seeing Nadal there.
It's too bad, because Toronto used ot be the favourite tournament for players, and toronto invested billions of dollars in a new state-of-the art venue.
Too bad money seems to be the only motivation for players, and cutting tournaments so they can win Slams seems to be the way.
Just like a lot of things it seems. GREED RULES
euh...no. Toronto was never the favorite tournament for players, they disliked it so much they had to make a new venue just from preventing to permanently keep it in Montreal.
Federer is playing Toronto and Cincy probably winning 1 of those and with a 3 week rest before the 2 Masters and a 1 week rest before USO, he shouldn't be tired - he has no health problems like last year!
With Nadal withdrawing from Toronto and only playing Cincy, I don't see him in the final of the USO this year, which means his shot for the Nr.1 spot after AO next year becomes more and more less likely. He lost his Bastad, Stuttgart and Montreal points and still has to defend Bejing and Madrid. A good run at the USO will just make up for the point he lost during the american hard-court season and won't help him close the 2000+ point gap to Federer!
they all skip canada, who needs to play for us... we're not a "tennis" nation...
ah well i was thinking of going just to see nadal play, guess not...
Doesn't Nadal have to defend all those points that he won from last year, since he won the title?
Yes, but so did Federer last year - it's all been discussed in this thread, already. He will try to get some of the points back in Cincy.
You think top players focus on slams more than any other tournaments because slams offer more money?
You obviously don't know what you are talking about!
I can handle Nadal pulling out, but I'll be annoyed if Federer pulls out too. I don't go to the Masters Series very often and I've taken a week off work for Toronto. If Agassi is there I'll be happy. Maybe Henman can just about qualify.
The thing is, if Rafa gets to the final or wins Cincy, then I feel his chances at the US Open will be good. This is probably the most likely scenario, and its smart for Rafa to set himself up on his schedule to only play the Grand Slams, occasional TMS events, a only a few others here and there. Last year, his schedule included many small, somewhat meaningless tournaments. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if he skipped Beijing later in the year as well, and just played Madrid, Paris and the Masters Cup.
Not playing at all for 4-5 weeks, coming into Cinci, there is even chance he won't get to final. He could draw very tough players first or second round like he did last year in losing to Berdych first round. Even Federer struggled a lot there last year because he hadn't played for a while when others had been in several tournaments before.
Yes Federer had quite a long rest before playing in Cincy. And he got quite a scare from a few players including, James Blake, Kiefer, and Ginepri.
Actually and untimately they do. Win a Slam, make lots of money. Win a Slam , get lots of points and get lots of endorsements and make a lot more money.
These guys play tennis for the money.
Obviously, you aren't aware what goes on in the real world of tennis...and all other professional sports.
Ask these guys to play "for the love of the game" and no money. And what do you think they'll say. (in 2 words)
I travelled on tour for a couple of years. If you talk about players in general, I can understand. If you think Federer and Nadal right now are playing for the money, either you don't know what you are talking about or you are just too cynical to understand anything.
no, they all skip Toronto, when the canadian master series event is in montreal they always show up. (both men and women)
I will show up next year win the tournament is in Montréal. I absolutely love that city.
Edberg you make a comeback?!!!!
You guys need to quit bickering; at least you GET a tennis tournament over there. I don't know if there's an ATP tournament within 2000 miles of Edmonton.
Aren't the Masters series mandatory for all who qualify? Will Nadal come up with false injuries or can he just say : I won't play? I believe there is a big fine if you just don't show up.
Why is this? I hate Montreal. Toronto's awesome.
If Johnny Mac can do it, I can too. hahaha
I guess Toronto and the Rexall Center really suck for tennis.
Seriously, I would love to see Edberg play again - doesn't matter where!
I don't think this "big fine" will bother Nadal much and he just said he has injured his hand or wrist - he can use the same "excuse" for Toronto - it's become common practice among the top players.
idiot...montreal rocks man...you uncultured oil-boy.
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