Rafa "Muster" Nadal can't handle Serve and Volley

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  1. tennis-hero

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    Muster couldn't handle S&V

    we all know how much Nadal bases his game on Musters, but with "apparently" better passing shots

    although on recent evidence it has to be pointed out that anyone with good net awareness would be at an advantage against Nadal

    Tsonga and Blake have shown this in the past

    Muster had 2 things going against him, he wqasn't consistent and he was up against the kings of S&V

    Nadal has the consistency that Muster didn't have, but he incredibly lucky to be playing in an era where volley is a long forgotten art

    Muster was a tougher fighter then Nadal, on par with Hewitt who is certainly superior to Nadal in fighting spirit

    no one will match the Sampras fighting spirit but Muster was close.

    how lucky should Rafa feel knowing that he won't have to face Sampras

    because watching Rafa at the Madrid masters, and watching S&V own him EVEN ON CLAY

    i have to say

    Sampras could beat Rafa on clay
     
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    Melzer was destroyed today trying S&V tactics against Nadal :oops:

    Nadal d. Melzer 6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes :oops:
     
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    I think you need to watch that match again

    Metzer had Rafa on the ropes with S&V in the 1st set

    when someone like MEtzer can own Rafa with S&V ON CLAY

    then you know the clay era is WEEEEEEEEEEEEAK

    and also

    Sampras would own Rafa on clay
     
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    6-3, 6-1 :oops:
     
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    Nadal's fighting spirit has already surpassed Muster's and Hewitt's. If he can keep this up it will be up there with Sampras.
     
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    heres a pro-tip

    the final score doesn't always reveal what happened in a match

    Wimbledon 2007

    Rafa had some major chances in the 5th but look at the score and you'd think the 5th set was one way traffic

    so next time- Think before you drink

    also, if you had watched the match, you would have seen what S&V was doing to Nadal
     
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    Keep starting stupid threads like these, please. Everyday. So you get banned as soon as possible.
     
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  8. tennis-hero

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    actually this a perfectly fair and unbiased analysis of Nadal's strengths and weaknesses

    i know you Nadal police wont anyone to say anything that criticises him but i have my right

    I was being honest, i see a fault in his game, similar to Nadal's mentor Thomas muster


    >.>

    <.<
     
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  9. GameSampras

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    LOL.. Who? Melzer?
     
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  10. Bud

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    When you combine the score with the length of the match that pretty much tells the whole story.

    6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes :oops:
     
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    well if you watched tennis you would hear of him. instead you just come in and make a baseless statement. Hes a good player and last time i checked trying to grind it out with nadal on the red stuff fails pretty hard.
     
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    He's the guy with a 2-1 record vs agassi :)
     
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  15. JoshDragon

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    This thread is a joke. Sampras would own Rafa, on clay?! That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard on this forum. Sampras, never even made the finals at Roland Garros and was beaten by guys who used the same strategy as Nadal only Nadal does it much better.

    Pete lost to the great Gilbert Schaller in the first round of the 1995 French Open. Everyone knows what a well known player Schaller was.

    Also, Nadal was not on the ropes in his match. Even the ATP website said that he made it through with ease.

    This thread is a ridiculous.
     
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    - How many french open had sampras won?
    - 0 but he would crush nadal on clay
    - and loose to a nobody in the next round ?

    yeah right
     
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    omg.

    I've never seen a thread like this.

    genius!

    no wonder everyone S&Vs against Nadal, what with his passing shots being so weak..
     
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    fair and unbiased?? claiming PETE SAMPRAS could be Nadal on clay warrants you a swift kick in the pants.
     
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    Thanks I needed a good laugh.

    [​IMG]
     
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    seriously this thread is upsetting me, take it away
     
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    You lost all credibility after that statement. How can Sampras own Nadal on clay when he can't even own mediocre players on clay during his era? Are you saying that Nadal wouldn't even be considered a good claycourter during Sampras' era?
     
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    Nadal can beat sampras on clay with his eyes closed.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Actually, it doesn't since serve and volley points end on one or two shots so matches are much shorter than when each point is a 20 stroke baseline rally.

    Nadal had few answers when Meltzer his all of those beautiful drop volleys. :)
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    I'd bet a million dollars that he couldn't. :)

    Should you or should I bring the blindfold? ;)
     
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    Sampras only beat great claycourters and French Open champions like Courier and Muster at the French Open. :shock:
     
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    cause he clearly hit enough to win:-?

    and mulitquote is your friend dont be scared to use it.:)
     
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    First time I see a post on these boards from someone who actually UNDERSTANDS tennis. First person I've met on the boards with a triple-digit IQ.

    Congrats bro, you are Newton reborn compared to the rest of people (who have arguments like "6-3 6-1").

    Indeed, a weak SV player gave nadal trouble. Imagine what a well-trained Serve and Volleyer could do to him. I predict nadal's fall will be to a serve & volley player. The art will come back, it is forced to come back.
     
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  28. slicefox

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    Yes, that's exactly what we are saying. Nadal in the 90's would get owned on every surface, including water and moon sand.

    Too bad you were just a kid in the 90s so you will never truly understand.
     
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  29. vndesu

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    imagine with the racquet technology too, mainly pros in the 90's were using mid sized where others like chang or agassi used os.
     
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  30. Pirao

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    Oh yes, Sampras and Edberg would own Nadal on clay, look at all those FOs they have combined: 0. Impressive numbers, Nadal would stand no chance :lol:
     
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    You know tennis-hero is a troll when even Fed fans are annoyed by him. lol
     
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  32. Bud

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    After the first 3 games... didn't Nadal adjust and then steamroll Melzer... running off almost 12 straight games... breaking serve 4 times along the way? :oops:

    I'd like to find a copy of this match... so as to learn how to destroy and dispatch a S&V player, pronto :-D
     
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  33. Pirao

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    Are you crazy? BP doesn't let simple facts get in the way of his opinions :mrgreen:.
     
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    It could have been closer. Melzer did not serve as well he did in his previous match.
     
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    LOL @ the thread :)
     
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    your argument = zero sense

    FO players back then were adjusted to S&V. Nadal is not. That's the point of this thread.
     
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    Leave him alone, he needs to keep up his 30 post a day average;)

    Anyway it is ridiculous to say ANYBODY who has not won a french open title would "own" possibly the greatest claycourter to ever play the game on clay.
     
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    Oh, yes, this arguments makes so much sense. The players of the 90's would get steamrolled in every surface because they are not adjusted to Nadal's game, suck it :twisted:. See, I can say stupid sh*t too.
     
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  39. The-Champ

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    Congratulations for posting probably the dumbest argument ever.

    Here let me show you one of mine:

    Because Santoro destroyed Samrpas 6-1 6-1 at the Monte Carlo Masters once, imagine what Bahrami would've done to Sampras.
     
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  40. King_roger

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    What??? :shock::shock:
    Sorry, but that's a little bit embarrassing. IMO
    I mean he's No. 1 of Austria and No. 27 ATP....

    BTW: Jürgen could do much better, even against Rafa, but it's a mental problem.... :(
     
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  41. thalivest

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    You are right. Rafa after all lacks the superior weapons and mental toughness of such clay court legends as Magnus Larsson, Gilbert Schaller, Paul Haarhuis, Jacco Eltingh, Olivier Gross, Thierry Champion, Gabriel Markus, Carl-Uwe Steeb, Mark Philippoussis, Karol Novacek, Arnaud Di Pasquale, Fabrice Santoro, Fernando Meligini, Roman Delgado, and many others.
     
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    In 2008 Wimbledon final Federer desperately tried to serve and volley. During the first 2 sets 15 attempts resulted in 1 winner. Are you capable of calculating percentage? Why don't you watch some matches before crapping around?
     
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  43. thalivest

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    Yes Hewitt is a superior fighter to Nadal. That is why when still close to his best in 2004 he let Federer feed him 2 bagels in the U.S Open final. What an amazing fighter. :shock:
     
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    Yes, they would because if Nadal played in the early 90's, he wouldn't have a high-tech APD nor the high tech poly strings. He's be playing with a PS 6.0 85 strung with gut, just like Sampras and Edberg did, but Nadal would be shanking like crazy with his high speed reverse forehands. :lol: LOL
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    The way I saw it, Meltzer started to make unforced errors like crazy after the first 3 games. He started to miss even easy volleys. Guys like Sampras and Edberg wouldn't have missed those. :)
     
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    I agree. Meltzer just couldn't mentally keep it together during that match with Nadal. :(
     
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    Nobody can according to you. Nadal must be amazing, getting so lucky to win all his matches according to you, yet still winning almost every tournament right?
     
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    I think during the course of the Melzer v Nadal match you can see Nadal adjusting his game to Melzer's serve and volley by trying to return everything low and hard, and moving in and punishing his second serve. NO, Nadal will not topspin loop a moonball back for a serve return when someone is serve and volleying against him. He is actually a SMART player, and he has already considered all the IFs proposed by you serve and volleying elitist fanboys even before you came up with them.

    and no, I am not saying this because I am a Nadal fanboy. I would even agree that Nadal has no edge over great serve and volleyers liek Sampras on any surface other than clay. But I am saying this because too many people underestimate Nadal's ability to adjust to different game styles.
     
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  49. King_roger

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    No buddy, I just meant he has mental problems in generally...
    look: (it's in german, but I collected all the "magic-Melzer matches") :mrgreen:
    http://saitenforum.de/board/showpost.php?p=292326&postcount=89
     
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    I am watching this thread and getting sick of *******s who are hunting every person that can say other things than "Nadal is God". A forum is supposed to allow every people to post their opinions, bad or good. Sad...
     
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