Rafa - Time between the points

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  1. jigar

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    I am sure this must have been discussed before many times.

    Don't get this in wrong way. I like to watch Rafa matches.

    But this is what I think,
    All players must follow the time rule. They are world's elite athletes. If they can't handle pressure or 15 shots rally then I don't know what to make of them.

    I understand it is just a few seconds more between points but,
    Thousands of viewer are watching in stadium and millions more on the TV.
    In many cases there are other players are also waiting for their match to start. This adds up as time and money in many ways.

    I think they should put a time clock just like basketball.

    I think being a top player on the tour Rafa gets away all the time.
    This is the first time other players have complained about him.

    What do you think?

    This is one the main reason I hardly watch Rafa's match when it is live and I also don't watch his earlier rounds.
    Don't get this in wrong way. I like to watch Rafa's matches.
     
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  2. samprasvsfederer123

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    yep i get pissed off when i have to wait so long, they should put like some timer if it beeps u immidiatley serve

    nadal takes too long i think i saw 45 secs once
     
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  3. aprilfool

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    It has been discussed many times and it should continue to be discussed until ATP actually fixes the problem. I think the clock idea has a lot of merits, one of the biggest being that it saves the umps from making unpleasant calls on ...whomever.
     
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  4. ervinxhufka

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    I always get impatient during Nadal and Mary Pierce (may she rest in peace) matches. Not only do they take up to 40-50 sec in between points, but it's what they do during it, that is super annoying. Fixing the hair, picking the ass, blowing air to the hand. What is that ??? Stop it Nadal!.
     
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  5. TMF

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    Excellent thread. This is becoming of a real problem in the atp. I just hated to see a players are at the disadvantage when he wasted time on both serving/receiving game. The sport wasn't designed for any player gaining an edge by breaking the rule.
     
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  6. Bud

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    Yep... one too many times :razz:
     
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  7. aprilfool

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    What happened to Mary Pierce?
     
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  8. elquien

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    I was watching one of his doubles matches on u tube and he does not take nearly as long between serves. And he does not pick his but between serves either. Odd.
     
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  9. Sangria

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    Its presumably a superstitious thing for his singles matches. Heck do you guys really get that annoyed you have to create another thread on time wasting?

    And keep on butt-picking Rafa, the ladies love it! :)
     
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  10. Mustard

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    The time rule should be abolished. Nadal likes to take his time and he should be allowed to do so without the constant hue and cry from critics.
     
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  11. tlm

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    Will the crying about nadal taking to long ever stop? No matter how much whining goes on here it does not change anything.
    It is up to the umpire to make the call on to much time between points.
     
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    I agree, it's not up to Nadal the cheater to follow the rules, but rather for the umps to enforce the rules. Get some backbone umps!
     
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  13. tlm

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    It is not cheating if the ump is not calling it.
     
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  14. Dilettante

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    Yes, but the umpires should be more severe with him on that, IMO.
     
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  15. TheTruth

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    I wouldn't watch him if it annoyed me. Don't understand people complaining on an internet board seems futile.
     
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  16. Dilettante

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    Complaining on an internet board about people who complain on an internet board is also futile.

    Nevertheless, I'd like to complain about people who complain on an internet board about other people complaining on an internet board.
     
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  17. TheTruth

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    And, I'd like to complain about people who complain about people who complain about people complaining about people making complaints.
     
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  18. Dilettante

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    Futile though.
     
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  19. TheTruth

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    Agreed....
     
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  20. rommil

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    The best way about it is for the opponent to bring it up to the umpire prior to the match, rather than bringing it up at a juncture during the match which will just escalate a situation. Regardless, if there is a rule then somebody is not following it then the player should be warned, meaning the rule should be enforced, especially if the other party is observing that rule.
     
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  21. Morrissey

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    It's the winning that really bothers them. Time wasting is just a vent of their frustration.
     
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  22. rommil

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    Nadal has NOT won any titles in about a year. Win or lose, he's taking time over the limit regardless if it's called or not. Plain and simple. He doesn't do this on non competitive matches like exos.
     
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  23. namelessone

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    Check out the exo he lost before RG(one set 6-4),he was taking his time there as well. And butt picking as well :)
     
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    these sort of arguments never get anywhere and thats why the problem has not be solved. either nadals opponent looks like a whinning loser for complaining about nadals time and the chair umpire looks spineless because he doesnt call nadal for it. nadal and coach toni come out and complain how the chair is singling nadal out and the atp is out to get nadal for the way he plays and so on and so forth. meaning that the rule will never be enforced unless they just tell nadal to bad play faster. nadal can either quit or play faster. if he does quit and thinks the game will miss him nadal will be in for a surprise cuz it will go on with out him ask johnny mac about that.
     
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  25. rommil

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    If I recall correctly he did not do this during the Hit for Haiti at Indian Wells.
     
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  26. namelessone

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    True but I was just pointing out that it is not true for all of his exhibition matches.
     
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  27. Paul Murphy

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    It should be enforced - for the opponent and for us - it's boring waiting for the serve.
    That's one of the reasons I like Tursunov - very quick between points.
     
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  28. Sangria

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    We can all agree to disagree, and I acknowledge this is a discussion forum, but what can we do?

    You can rant on about all of the habits that Nadal seem to annoy his non-fans, but face it, there has and never will be another player like Nadal. He has brought along so many new fans of the sport and his energy and style is incomparable.

    At age 23, he has achieved so much already. What were YOU doing at that age?
     
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  29. rommil

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    Bottom line, there is a deliberate act by Nadal to go over the alloted time. Yes or no?
     
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  30. namelessone

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    Well he does go over the alloted time but I don't think it is an issue for him nor do I think that he counts the seconds so as to intentionally go over it each time. I think he plays at his own pace and it is slower than most(he also had like 40 sec between serves in that exo). That's when umpires should warn him. But they don't so it is a never-ending argument.

    I have had this discussion before with others. If Nadal's time-wasting is bothering MANY people,they should do a petition or something. Complaining about it on a forum will not change anything. I also want more grass but nobody from the ATP will listen to me unless I make my complaints formal.
     
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  31. rafan

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    The longer he stays on court the better. People come to watch him and they get value for their money
     
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  32. rommil

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    Yes or no?
     
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  33. namelessone

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    Sorry for quoting myself but I thought I was pretty clear.
     
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  34. rommil

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    How hard was it to say yes?
     
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  35. namelessone

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    I am verbose,what can I say :)
     
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  36. rommil

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    YES would have been enough to say.
     
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  37. Cesc Fabregas

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    It makes me laugh people complaining about his time wasting, your all at at home sitting on a couch complaining about a guy taking an extra 10 seconds, its a tad pathetic.
     
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  38. Dilettante

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    You're being futile.

    Just FYI.
     
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  39. His average today was 31 seconds. 6 seconds over. Yeah he was taking a long time at times, and he was doing it in the last match at times quite a bit...that said, he has been fine outside of those last two matches, averaging the same amount of time as people he is playing at around 25 seconds.

    Also just about EVERYONE outside of Roddick and Federer go over the time limit. Just look at the stats on the tennistv.com matches. But he really shouldn't be taking 50 seconds between points like he did against whoever that other opponent was. Maybe it was against Nalbandian?
     
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  40. ninman

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    I just can't understand how he can go 50 seconds when the limit is 25 seconds and NOT get a warning, do it again, and NOT get a penalty point. I mean seriously why aren't the umpires doing the jobs they're paid to and enforce the rules.
     
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  41. LameTennisPlayer

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    a tad ironic yes, and i'm not getting paid for sitting on my butt either
     
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  42. Gorecki

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    lets see...

    i have not read this thread but my guess is:

    - Op posts about the Real FACT: Nadal Breaks the rules by spending to much time.

    - A Few *******s (Veronique, Truth, Bolo et. al.) acuse him of being a hater and that it makes no sense whatsoever, and that if umpires do not enforce than it's ok, and the only guy wrong is Carlos Ramos that calls nadal on time wasting, but he only does that because he is portuguese, so he is envyous...

    - one or two Federetes Start singing on the Nadal is a Pusher\ButPicker\Timewaster song and that if they were on court they would do this and that and a whole shebang, so much that Nadal would leave the court in a stretcher...

    - Zagor is the only guy who posts anything worth reading

    - namelessone, one of the few bearable Nadal fans posts a big block of text who most people misinterpret....

    - CMM posts a nice picture of nadal trying to prove he is not what people say...

    -Gorecki jumps in and leaves a witty remark

    - Drakulie does the same but funnier...


    am i in the right track?
     
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  43. Anaconda

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    Best post i have seen. I love it LOL. LMAO. Great stuff.
     
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  44. ProgressoR

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    I find this post objectionable.

    10 characters
     
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  45. Dilettante

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    You had already completed the 10 characters so I find your 10 characters remark objectionable.
     
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  46. ProgressoR

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    Perhaps I should have written 10 chars instead of 10 characters.

    I object to others having opinions that do not complement mine. Can I ban this behaviour - perhaps the mods should delete such threads summarily.


    And I recall in an IW match recently, posters were complaining about Nadal and time wasting, then a reader posted a stat to say he was taking on average about 24 secs between serve and only 0.2 seconds longer than his opponent.

    So perhaps he looks like he is taking longer but really isnt?

    In any case, I find that extra 0.2 seconds to be gratuitous and objectionable.
     
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  47. Because it was an intense match, at intense moments, with the crowd going crazy. It wasn't like it was just a ho hum moment of the match and Nadal is sauntering about the court, not sure how to fill up his time.

    Was it over the line? Yeah, I thought it was over the line. Was it FLAGRANTLY over the line? Kind of a judgment call given the circumstances, and the ump is the one who made that call.

    The ONLY people who complain about this are still Federer fans that can't stand the guy otherwise they could be complaining about every other player on the tour.
     
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  48. I love this post.
     
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  49. Dilettante

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    I don't.

    He's pi$$ing me off with his Mr. Important's gratuitous and objectionable stuff blah blah. He doesn't think like I do and I want him to be banned.

    60 characters. More or less.
     
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  50. ProgressoR

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    You correctly guessed my surname, my first name is Very.

    And you made a typo, instead of typing "ss" you typed $$, that is understandable as they kind of look the same. I guess in your state of severe envy, this caused you to make the typo, it is understandable.

    Good Luck.

    10 charactrs

    I left out the e because I suspect I can leave out that letter and still reach the required 10 characters.
     
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