Rafa will win a Grand Slam before Roger!

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  1. Stay Loose

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    OK - I enjoy watching Roger and Rafa and would like to see both of these great players win a career grand slam. We are fortunate to be around to see this great rivalry - in fact we tennis fans are the winners here. However I thought I'd post this before tomorrow's final. Much as I love Federer's game I think he's going down in 3 (maybe 4) tomorrow (I hope I'm wrong).

    However based on their Semifinal performances yesterday there is no way Fed beats Nadal in a best of 5 sets on Clay (ever). Fed's clay court performance (& overall play) is down a bit since last year - too many shanks (inconsistent) and low serving % to trouble Nadal. I'll be surprised if he can defend his Wimbledon title this year (both Nadal and Djokovic will be real dangerous on grass this year).

    Yesterday was the second time Roger has been lucky to get past Davydenko in a major (their Australian open meeting in 2005 was also close). On current form they could play tomorrows final on grass and I'd still pick Nadal. Right now I see Djokovic as more of a long term threat to Rafa than Roger on clay - but still a huge gap.

    The big surprise will come (to some) when Nadal wins Wimbledon, the Australian Open and the US Open within the next year or 2. He can easily win the French for 3/4 more years. His performance last year at Wimbledon made me a believer that his game translates well to other surfaces. (Last years Wimbledon final was a lot closer than most realize - could easily have gone to 5 sets).

    In crushing Roddick at Indian Wells earlier this year Rafa sent a serious message to those who discount his hard court potential - (OK Roddick is not going anywhere these days). (You can forget about those earlier losses to Blake/Berdych on hard courts - that was then, this is now - no way Blake beats Rafa today - on any surface).

    Nadal has major weapons that work on all surfaces - speed, determination and remarkable consistency - he moves better, has more power when pulled wide and is better balanced that any other player on the tour. His serve is also underestimated by many - see Agassi's comments about trying to return Nadal's serve and how he could not handle it.

    Remember that speed is a huge weapon that does not go into slumps - the scary thing is that Nadal will get even stronger in the next couple of years - I doubt that he can get any quicker. His speed also intimidates his opponents - does anyone want to meet Rafa before the finals in any tournament?

    Let the flames begin - but keep it clean!
     
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  2. federerfanatic

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    You are retarded.
     
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  3. LarougeNY

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    is that your first post?
     
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    Nadal will never win Wimbledon. His game is made for clay and not for grass.
     
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    Lol, you must have a good dealer.
     
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    Do you really? Interesting.

    So Fed can never improve, and Nadal can never decrease level? Interesting.

    Has he even been past the Quarters at the UO & AO? Maybe a semi at one of them?

    This is great, you're a believer. Now what about his actual performances on the other surfaces, as opposed to your beliefs? His actual performances - well he didn't win, let alone make a final, for a long, long time in the hardcourt season.

    He has weapons that work on surfaces, whereas Fed has results on other surfaces. There's a difference there....

    Speed is predicated on perfect health, and speed is predicated on zero injuries, and it's lost quickly with any time out of the game. Speed also decreases with age...

    :) - I noticed that in amazement as well. First counting post in almost two years, and it's, ahem, an interesting one.
     
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    that was not just his first post on this board but also the first post of his life apparently...
     
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    Maybe u have a point with wimbledon since its getting slower and slower but its still quick.U.S Open he will never win.Just my opinion.AO maybe but he still hasnt maded a final.
     
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    didn't read the OP's post, didn't have to to know he's on crack.

    so anyway, my dog just threw up and his breath stinks.
     
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    I'm the OPs dealer, and I will tell him this:

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    LOL! :lol::lol:

    That has to be the funniest thing I've seen in a while
    :lol:
     
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    AWESOME. But some mod will come along and delete it soon...
     
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    Although Federer has a 100 times better chance of winning the slam compared to Nadal, Nadal is the second most likely isn't he? He pushed Federer in a Wimbledon final although he's had some erratic results on hardcourt.
     
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    Uh huh. So it's more likely for Nadal to win three majors he's never won before (two of which he has never reached the semifinals in) than for Federer to win ONE match and complete a career Grand Slam?
     
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    You win the most retarded post (and poster) of the month award, which is quite an accomplishment here !!
     
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    Stay Loose = nadalgirl26 after graduating basic grammar school.
     
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    Actually, I'd say Roddick would be able to lay claim to "second most likely". If it weren't for Fed, he'd have a couple of Wimbledons and a couple of US Opens in his pocket.
     
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  20. Breaker

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    How about Hewitt? He would have probably had a few more Wimby's and US Opens as well. He also got to the finals in Australia and only loses at Roland Garros to amazing clay courters.
     
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    Yeah I would have to say Hewitt stands more of a chance than Roddick (however slim that may be lol)

    Hewitt is a pretty decent clay courter it must be said, when you look at the players he has lost to in the French Open it's no disgrace, if Nadal wins tomorrow he will of lost to the eventual champion 3 years in a row! As for Roddick, even when he was at the peak of his abilities he was losing to the likes of Mutis, Arthurs, Sargisian.
     
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  22. Fedfan4life

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    Go easy on Stay Loose guys. He's new, hasn't yet read all of our amazing wisdom in tennis.
     
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    He's been here since 05 - just made his first post today. Seems he's learnt a little too much of our wisdom in that time :grin:
     
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    It's possible if Fed fails to capture the FO this year, it'll be even harder to do so next year. Nadal is obviously the second best man to do so. This is just a neutral statement. Don't be so harsh on the OP.
     
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    good point. BURN HIM!!! :D


    or Maybe he's another forum member using a different account just to stir things up?
     
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    I laughed :)

    Crossed my mind, but you'd have to be a special kind of troll to keep an account dormant for so long and then choose to use it!
     
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  27. Fedfan4life

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    Or maybe its one of us. Only Stay Loose would know ;)
     
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  28. Stay Loose

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    Ad Hominem Responses

    OK - I'll stick my neck out again - I certainly stirred up a hornet's nest here.

    First - All these (mostly 'ad hominen' - look it up - you might actually learn something useful ) responses to my original posting are incredible. Some of you people need to grow up.

    I'm disappointed that there was very little meaningful discussion about the pros/cons re the specifics in my posting - so much for the (self appointed / annointed ) experts on this board re the points I made.

    Feel free to agree/disagree with me - that's fine either way - but personal attacks on someone you don't know is a bit over the top.

    BTW - the # of postings I make to this board here is totally irrelevant - there is an incredible amount of absolute drivel on this board - # of postings made here does not reflect knowledge (or lack thereof). You know who you are!

    (FWIW I did not post for along time as I lost my password and recently found it again - not that that matters - only posted as it seemed like it could spark a lively/informed discussion - boy was I wrong!).

    While I don't post here I may have seen more of the best players over the years (live - not just on TV) than many on this board (I include Borg, Conners, Lendl, Becker, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Edberg, Cash, Agassi and many others in my lifetime). So I do have some perspective on the game.

    Before you all get bent out of shape consider the following:

    - If Fed loses to Rafa today he may never win the French - so no Grandslam for him.
    - Rafa is just 21 - that gives him quite a few years to win the remaining slams. He IS a threat on ANY surface and HAS WON tournaments on ALL surfaces.

    - Borg won 5 Wimbledon titles and 6 French open titles and his net game was not great - and yes FWIW - I did see him play in the majors so I can compare him to Nadal - they have a lot of the same qualities - if anything Nadal is quicker and (much) stronger.

    -OK a grand slam will be tough for anyone - however Nadal is capable of winning on any surface - fine if you don't agree - but name me a player (other than Fed) that you would bet money on to beat Rafa on a hard court
    right now (maybe Djokovic).

    - Fed's recent level has dropped - still incredible - but no one rules forever and the pressure on him to defend his # 1 position and points is huge.

    - If you think my opinion is prepostorous - check with the bookmakers and compare the odds for either Fed or Nadal to win a slam. I don't think you'll see much difference after today.

    If you want to discuss these topics - great. If you dislike what I've said too bad - I'm not going to engage in childish discussions with fanboys/fangirls and their knee jerk reactions - life is too short.

    Come Monday after this match is over my life won't change regardless of who wins - will yours? Why get so emotional over this stuff - it's just a sport - as Boris Becker once said after a Wimbledon loss - "No one died - I lost a tennis match".

    Enjoy the FO final - let's hope it's classic with both players playing their best tennis.
     
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  29. OrangeOne

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    You make a long, very 'out there post', and it was discussed, in fact I wrote a long reply dissecting many of the points. You then return, and claim you're above participating in debate.

    If you're above participating in debate - maybe stick to not posting threads? Just an idea....
     
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    Nadal cannot continue to keep the physical level of his game up. It takes a toll on the body that cannot be repaired after a certain point. I love that he plays with heart and goes after every ball, but nobody can do that and have an extended career. Too many injuries will - and already have - come from it.
     
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  32. Stay Loose

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    Orange One

    Orangeone,
    I think you misunderstood my response - I have no problem with a debate - we can agree to disagree on the substance of my posting. However I'm not going to get into a ******* contest with some of the juveniles in here.

    Your response to my posting was one of a few exceptions - so thank you - - most of the others were somewhat hostile (in tone at least) and completely absent of any constructive discussion.

    FWIW - while you might consider the posting somewhat 'out there' just think about it some more - the premise is not as unlikely as you might think. This is not about who I/you want to see win - more about what the future might hold.
     
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    LoL have you been putting peanut butter on "yourself".
     
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  34. Fedfan4life

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    Relax dude. Don't feel like your being singled out just because their all flaming on you. But posting something like this, your common sense will kick in to say that you will upset alot of people. Next time just be ready.
     
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  35. Fedfan4life

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    Double post.....
     
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    triple post
     
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    This guy is a Nadal groupie trying to disguise himself as an objective impartial observer. Fortunately few of us are that dumb to take the bait.
     
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  38. Maco_Andrej

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    well federer will win one this year
     
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    CRACK BABY!!!!! you heard it here first.
     
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  40. ATXtennisaddict

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    He hasn't won the Aus,US,wimby.

    Roger already has 3/4

    u tell me who's closer
     
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    I thought about analysing and dissecting your post, but then thought that it was so full of nonsense, I just couldn't be bothered.
     
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  42. Stay Loose

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    Re read my original Post

    ATX Tennis Addict,
    >>>
    He hasn't won the Aus,US,wimby.
    Roger already has 3/4
    u tell me who's closer
    >>>

    As of yesterday - neither one - if you (re) read my original post I said Grand Slam (not career slam) - so they both start over next Jan down under.

    It should be clear that Nadal is closing the gap between himself and Roger - and will continue to do so. Based on what I saw yesterday, Roger will not win the French open if Rafa is still around.

    IMHO the mountain that Fed has to climb at the French is much bigger that the one Nadal has to climb elsewhere - and Nadal has about 4 more years to climb those mountains. Nadal is like Borg - people also said Borg could not win on anything but clay when first won the French, and would never repeat at Wimbledon.

    Unpopular as it sounds I'll say it one more time - If Fed does not improve his recent form (improve his serve % and cut down on those errors) he will NOT win Wimbledon thus year. Djokovic, Nadal and Roddick are all potential banana skins for Roger.
     
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