Rafa's title drought

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When will Rafa end his title drought ?

  1. IW

    14.7%
  2. Miami

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  3. Clay season

    77.9%
  4. Wimbledon/Olympics

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  1. sbengte

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    Rafael Nadal, the world no.2 player, has not won a title since Roland Garros 2011.

    The rest of the top 4 have all won a Masters 1000 at the minimum since then, besides other titles. In fact all of the current top 10 including Mardy Fish, Delpotro and Tipsarevic have won at least one title during this period.

    Rafa did have a long title drought in 2009 extending to 2010 but apparently he was out with his knee injury back then and took a while to come back and have his confidence restored. What is strange about the current title drought is that he has not been injured in any form and has played a full schedule and yet come up short.

    Some people say that Rafa traditionally has never won too many titles post USO but we are talking about 9 months spanning from Roland Garros 2011 to Australian Open 2012 and beyond . Any justification of the above kind for a healthy Rafa in his prime not winning a title will only reinforce the fact that he can only win on clay.

    So when do you think Rafa will end his title drought ? Discuss.

    EDIT : I wanted to add a poll option "Never" for Clarky but this is supposed to be a thread for some serious discussion.
     
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  2. Clarky21

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    Never? Lol. Really,he is stuck in a huge rut. I honestly don't know when this title drought will end,or why his career is plagued by long stretches of horrible tennis and no titles. As a fan it is maddening because there is no reason why someone as highly ranked as Nadal should ever go this long without winning something. Anyway,at this point it looks like there is no end in sight to his latest dought so who knows if and when he will ever win another title.

    And we all know Nadal is a dirtballer,who is half*ssed on other surfaces. No need to rub it in. He is also not in his prime no matter how many times certain people insist that he is.
     
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  3. Sentinel

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    Whenever someone takes out Mole, or whenever Mole decides to stop spamming the tennis world.

    oh wait, you wanted a serious discussion. In any case, he shouldn't feel alone what with Muzza and Fred (in case you mean slams).

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    Platinum !!!
     
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  5. Big_Dangerous

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    Horrible tennis is reaching the final of 4 straight Grand Slams, and winning one of those events?
     
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    Didn't Nadal have something like 11 months of drought in 2009-2010 period?

    Nadal is a guy that runs on confidence more than others. When he clicks, it really clicks and he may go on to win a couple in a row(usually clay-grass season). If it doesn't, he stays in a rut(usually HC season).

    His drought will probably end in the clay season.

    I have my doubts about winning IW after a month of no actual matchplay and Miami is simply cursed for Nadal(lost all 3 finals there, one after being 2 sets up), so I doubt he wins there this year.

    Anyway, Nadal doesn't do himself any favors, he could've entered some average clay 250/500 tourney and clean up there but I guess it's not worth the hassle for him. Either win big or don't win at all seems to be his motto these days.
     
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  7. Clarky21

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    Here we go again. He played like crap in all of those slams,and hasn't played all that great in more than a year. Nadal won RG last year because Roger won it for him otherwise he would not have. He played badly all the way through that slam. He also hasn't had a bh or a serve in in nearly 2 years. I do not care how many finals he has made in a row. His tennis was subpar regardless. Thankfully,the finals streak is over so he doesn't have to lose yet another time to Djesus. That's the plus side to Fed,Delpo,Murray and several others actually playing well his year opposed to last year. They will stop the insanity of Nadal reaching all of those finals only to lose each and every one.

    Now I will wait for the insults and supposed witty putdowns by the usual suspects,even though I am not the only one who shares this opinion. I've got my :lol: waiting on standby for the inevitable.
     
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  8. tenniselbow1

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    Clay swing on the Champions tour.
     
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    Well, he still made the AO final over Federer. So far, so good, I guess.
     
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    Last I checked, he made the final of the 2011 French Open, 2011 Wimbledon, 2011 U.S. Open, and the 2012 Australian Open. The streak cannot be broken until Roland Garros, and good luck on him not at least reaching the final there, especially if he gets Fed in his half of the draw again.
     
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    No,I meant he won't be making the final at IW or Miami so he can't lose yet two more finals to Djesus. He will have to wait until MC to lose his 8th final in a row to him,should he get there.
     
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    What do you mean by the "finals streak is over". Has he not reached the final of a Major or Masters since AO ?

    In any case, Nadal has been resting this month, so we'll have to assess him in April before we decide how he's playing this year.
     
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    Rafa played some wonderful tennis at Wimbledon of last year and Oz of this year. I don't know what events you were watching :s
     
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  14. Clarky21

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    He was good in parts of the Delpo match but other than that I saw nothing spectacular from him.
     
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    Remember in 2010 when he bagled everyone and cried on court when he won the title? He looked like the guy with a chip on his shoulders. Angry, as if someone had stolen his birth-given rights.

    He's gonna look like the same.
     
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  16. TheFifthSet

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    He was serene in this years Open, beating Federer with sublime defense and good serving. At Wimby he was solid versus Murray and served great against Novak but got out-classed (nothing you can do really, he served at over 70% but Djokovic just couldn't miss on the big points, 5/6 break point conversion). In the past 4 slams he's beaten Murray three times and Federer twice. To say he hasn't played well is, quite frankly, a bit delusional.
     
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    Nope. He was subpar all of last year as was most of the top 10. Murray was a mess this time last year and so was Fed. Nadal really had no business making all of those finals,but since his garbage tennis was slightly better than several other players garbage tennis last year he did. That won't happen this year,so now Djesus will hopefully have to earn his titles instead of having Nadal just hand them to him.
     
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  18. Mike Sams

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    I thought for sure Nadal would grab a title in Japan near the end of last year. He was just unfortunate to meet God-mode Murray who allowed Nadal only to win 4 points in the 3rd set of the final!!!:shock:
     
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  19. monfed

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    Hopefully this.

    The curse of Monte Carlo still exists though.
     
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    Just because he is losing does not mean he is not playing the best tennis of his life, unless "prime" is defined in essence as having the highest winning percentage he is capable of, but only half of winning and losing is within his control, the other half belongs to his opponents, one of whom happens not to be bothered by Rafa in the way Rafa bothers everyone else, just like Federer owned the field for so many years better than Rafa while Rafa singularly owned him. But I agree that Rafa is not in his prime because so much of his aura of impossible-to-counter-aggression was only a potemkin village predicated on safety, stamina and defense, which is clear to everyone now that Novak has stripped Rafa naked by playing better defense longer, having superior stamina, and hitting with nearly as much safety (though taking from the backcourt many more manly swings per match at the ball, unlike Rafa).
     
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  21. TheFifthSet

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    You're just using conjecture instead of evidence. To reiterate, the man beat Federer and Murray FIVE times in FOUR slams. He couldn't have been playing that badly, or anything less than at least "good." And he was six points away from beating Novak. Nadal has been playing some of the best tennis in his life to reach these finals. It's just that Novak has had the answer. Nadal has beaten Soderling, Federer twice, Murray three times, Berdych once, Del Potro once, Fish once, and broke Roddick (post-prime Roddick but still) like 8 times at the U.S Open last year en route to beating him handily. Look at the list of players he's beaten in the past 4 slams. I'd venture to say Nadal has never beat so many great players in such a short span of slams. None of them even took him to 5 sets. All of those players he beat pretty handily almost each time. He's been LIGHTS OUT against the top 10 in slams, he just hasn't been able to beat ONE GUY. Sound familiar?
     
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    Djokovic isn't even good enough to win a set vs Murray at Dubai. Everybody is subpar this year. So whoever wins this year is playing garbage tennis. So it doesn't matter who wins.
     
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  23. vive le beau jeu !

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    snif... i wanted the never option too. :(
    and if you really want a serious discussion, you've got to consider all the possibilities, including the most wonderful ones.
    can't vote...
    fine with me. :)
    fine too. ;)
     
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  24. niff

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    He was so close to Miami last year, but he has won IW twice (?) so it could be either of them. I think he'll definitely win one of the clay masters though.
     
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  25. Colin

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    I think Rafa's drought will come to an end, perhaps ironically, in the dustbowl of the clay season at Monte Carlo or Barcelona, mainly because Djokovic will have the good sense to abstain.

    But should he not win a clay title this year, I fear the drought will last longer than the dirt-choked travails of "The Grapes of Wrath." Speaking of grapes, should Rafa find himself thirsty in the drought, perhaps he should look to a good rioja. Line those wine goblets up, Rafa, seven-strong — one glass for each final lost in succession. (Lord knows I needed a 1.5-liter bottle of shiraz — Australian, of course — to get through that latest six-hour affair.)
     
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  26. sbengte

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    Reminds me Nadal poetry hasn't been done in a while.
     
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  27. Colin

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    Hmmm, here's hoping that the IW-Miami swing inspires a new round of inspired verse. :twisted:

    But, to occupy your wait, let us look to the great Thomas Hardy, who seemed to adumbrate a world of mysterious MTOs and faintly intimated post-defeat news-conference maladies with a century of foresight ...

    THE WOUND

    I climbed to the crest,
    And, fog-festooned,
    The sun lay west
    Like a crimson wound:

    Like that wound of mine
    Of which none knew,
    For I’d given no sign
    That it pierced me through.
     
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  28. Slice&Smash

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    What's that? He who wins seven straight MC events will forever live in the dirt with his 10 GS titles??
     
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  29. monfed

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    Yes. :twisted:
     
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  30. SLD76

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    OP already said that injury was the driving force behind that title drought. what is the excuse now, besides djoker?

    His usual post USO malaise?
    florian mayer?
    looking like garbage at WTF?



    I think the second bolded answers the question.

    He looked like garbage after USO....til Davis Cup..on clay.
     
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    Ironically? More like fittingly. Clay is the surface Nadal has won more titles on than any other surface. It isn't a surprise that he hasn't won a title since Roland Garros. It also isn't a bad thing, considering that last year Nadal beat Murray at 3 consecutive slams. And he beat Federer at RG last year and AO 2012. That is more important than winning an event like Dubai. Nadal's first aim should be to maintain dominance over Federer. Nadal's 2nd aim is to maintain dominance over Murray. Because if he can't beat those guys, then he won't even get to play Djokovic, let alone beat him.
     
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  32. SLD76

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    So you agree, he is a clay court specialist?

    ROFL@second bolded. So losing a slam final is better than winning an event?


    Okie :)


    Thats cool, while Nadal is maintaining his dominance over Fed I assume he will
    still be getting owned by Djoker.
     
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    Oh, dear. I should have guessed you're not the literary sort.

    I meant ironic in the sense of a drought (you know, the kind defined by a lack of water) being broken at a dusty, dirty clay-court event.... as opposed to a luscious, water-fed grass court.

    On the most literal level, yes, we all know it's no surprise Nadal could win a clay-court event. It's the only thing he's won in a year and a half. If he comes up empty there, he might as well join Ljubicic and Gonzales.
     
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    I like your style, sir.

    Subtlety doesnt work on Bullzilla. His brain only has room for Rafa.
     
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  35. Colin

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    Hmmm, well Rafa moves very slowly, so I shouldn't expect different from his fans. I'm sure he'll assess the subtleties tomorrow, and show the proper appreciation. Just like Rafa must humbly concede that Fed is the greatest of all time, the Nadal fan must in kind note the natural superiority of the Maestro's legions. Arrogance? Hmmm, I'll take the Fifth! (Especially if it's filled with 40 proof spirits.)
     
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  36. celoft

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    Nole is playing MC, right? :lol:

    Title drought ends in Barcelona, maybe.
     
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  37. SLD76

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    ....between points that is.

    Just clarifying it for you before the Rafatards descend en masse to patiently explain how Rafa is the fastesest playa evar.
     
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  39. celoft

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    Check this out:

    Nobody won the same tournament 8 years in a row.

    Claydal will not win MC. :lol:
     
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  40. SLD76

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    well, I think that became apparent once Djoker decided to play there.
     
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  41. celoft

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    Stats:

    No player ever won the same tournament for eight years in a row.

    The most was seven years in a row done by:

    Sears(US Championship)

    Gonzales(U.S. Pro Tennis Championships)

    Rosewall(French Pro Championship)

    Nadal(Monte Carlo)

    Djokovic playing Monte Carlo guarantees this will continue.


    ;-)
     
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    Where is option never?
     
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  43. Colin

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    I'm not too proud to admit I've procured on occasion an outsized, lowly priced bottle of "paisano" wine.

    Yes, thank you.

    Whenever I watch Rafa play, I'm reminded of that scene in one of the newer "Star Wars" films (the second one, I think) in which Yoda does battle. In the heat of combat, he's impossibly swift and merciless, in the aftermath an old man reduced to hobbling about on a cane.
     
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  44. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    You sure now how to waste words. You search for literary irony on a tennis messageboard? I can understand why someone would point out something ironic within the actual tennis world. But irony on a literary level entirely? Very strange....
     
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    Only to you, those of us who can think of other things besides Rafa understood what he was trying to say.

    You sure now how to waste words.

    ROFLMAO! Whoooooo lord, the irony.
     
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    Obvious troll is being obvious. Everyone with half a brain knows that as soon as clay comes around Nadal will be winning titles and you will be looking as stupid as ever.
     
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  47. Colin

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    Perhaps it was an elitist notion, but I always thought people who liked tennis were more intelligent and well-read than those who are into other sports such as football, baseball, basketball (pretty much any sport wherein the notion of play with a ball must be reiterated through the name).

    Thank you for proving that stereotypes aren't always true.
     
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    You've just confirmed it. You are a frustrated writer, with no knowledge of tennis, so you litter this board with verbose misplaced and above all meaningless mumblings. To the ignore bin you go, try-hard elitist.
     
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    Boy, you posted the same thing on two diff threads now...Colin's mastery of the english language has just undone you.

    Btw...nice alliteration in that second to last sentence.
     
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  50. Colin

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    Very good. I don't wish to engage in a war of words with you. It would be an unfair fight.

    I'll wait for Bullz1lla3.0. A 2.1 upgrade isn't going to do it at this point, I'm afraid.

    (The funny part, SLD, is that I think that he truly hates us, or else shows a vivid distaste. I, on the other hand, appreciate anyone passionate enough about tennis that he or she will post on a message board, whatever the contents of said posts.)
     
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