Rafa's W/L record - can he sustain it?

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  1. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Yeah ok on clay pretty even although slight edge to Borg since he only lost to another clay slam winner at FO. I don't believe in any weak/strong era stupidities.
     
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  2. borg number one

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    Folks tend to downplay Borg's winning %, but notice that at 25, Nadal is still just below Borg and as for Federer, was there ever a time when he was at 82-83% during his career (say at 25-27?). Plus, look at Borg's match totals. Even at 25-26 he had played many more matches in total than Nadal. To answer the OP's question, I do think that Nadal can sustain his winning percentage. He is now well established as a top player, not climbing the ranks. Folks forget that sometimes. It's going to be years before he really drops much in the rankings in my opinion and during these next few years, I think he'll continue to win plenty.
     
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    If you don't have a point to make; be silent.
     
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  4. abmk

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    yes, federer's is more balanced , considering there are 2 Hc slams and one clay slam ( duuuuuuh ) ......federer has as many finals at RG as rafa has @ AO and USO combined ....

    federer has as many masters on clay as rafa has on HC .....

    and also here's another reminder : rafa's indoor record is pretty poor. Federer's isn't anywhere .....

    @ bold part: where the best claycourter was beaten ??? so ?? does everyone else also have to go through this best claycourter to win slams or for them to be considered legit ???? yeah, we get it, the likes of borg, kuerten, bruguera, lendl, wilander etc ..... suck on clay .....
     
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  5. TMF

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    Fed's accomplishments is more complete/balance on all surfaces than Nadal. If you take away all Nadal's RG and Fed's Wimbledon, Nadal is not that great, he would be like another Courier while Fed is still a top tier players. Nadal has never defend a hc title, never won WTF and only won 1 indoor.

    Fed and Nadal both have their best/worst surface, but Fed is the 2nd best player on clay while Nadal is not on hc. His title drought carry on for nearly a year, and it had to take a clay event for him to break the drought. I can't even remember when the last time he won an event outside of clay.
     
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  6. Cesc Fabregas

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    When was the last time Federer won an event outside hc?
     
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  7. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Outside HC, Federer wins IW2012.
     
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  8. FlashFlare11

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    Well, you have to take into account that the clay season is about 6 weeks long, with the grass season lasting just 3-4 weeks. The rest of the tour is played on hard courts. Federer has less chances to win on clay or grass than Nadal has on HC in one year.
     
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  9. Crisstti

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    The same holds true about the slam count.
     
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  10. FlashFlare11

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    While that's true, I, personally, look at each slam individually, because the Australian Open and U.S. Open are both different tournaments with surfaces that aren't similar. This is why I see Roger's domination of grass (Wimbledon) greater than "9 hard court" slams because those 9 came from two slams, while his 6 came at one slam.
     
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    Don't think so. As far as I'm aware, Federer's career winning % is at its peak right now, notwithstanding the substantial drop in his yearly winning % we've seen since 2007. The reason for this is his mediocre first 4 years on tour. He's been crawling his way up from defecit he incurred from 1999-2002 ever since.

    Nadal, for instance, has never had any stand-out years in terms of winning % but he's never had any horrendous ones either since he was so good at such a young age, which helps out his career % a whole lot.
     
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  12. WhiskeyEE

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    Rafa can't be GOAT for a few reasons

    Slam count skewed too much toward clay
    Masters results skewed way too much toward clay
    He doesn't have any elite seasons. His best years he had an 88% winning percentage. Compare this to Fed's 2 95% seasons.

    Sorry but the ONLY thing that Rafa has to even make this debatable is his winning record over Federer. If he didn't have that; rather, if Fed didn't make so many clay court finals in 2005-2009, this wouldn't even be up for debate.

    Nadal is the clay GOAT and is VERY fortunate to have met Federer so many times on the surface. That's it. Sorry.
     
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  13. Seth

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    How do you square this with the argument that his winning percentage has been so consistently high rather than having a flare here and there.
     
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  14. WhiskeyEE

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    Roger's has been consistently high AND he has 3 93+% win seasons. The fact that he took a few extra years to develop into a top player doesn't mean much. Fed has won 88% of his matches since 2003. That's a nine and a half year period. That's disgustingly consistent. His average over the last 9.5 years pretty much equals Nadal's best year.

    Even old man 2011 Federer with zero slams managed an 84% win percentage. Nadal's lack of an elite season shows that he never really dominated the entire tour.

    In 2010, his best year, he didn't win a single non-clay masters title. Like I said, clay GOAT, not overall GOAT.
     
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  15. MG1

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    I'm not surprised but was not aware of bold part.

    His record at the end of 2003 was 236-110... 68.20%
     
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    That would be GREAT!!

    The less we see of Nadal the better, and he'd just be giving away all those HC and grass slams to Djokovic then, and Djokovic could easily rack up as many slams as Nadal in that case.

    What would make your scenario even funnier would be if Nadal got knocked out of those clay tournaments by some on fire Berdych/Murray/Djokovic/Davydenko type and didn't even manage to win those clay titles he banked on winning and skipped the entire rest of the year in favor of!!
     
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  17. Lsmkenpo

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    I like the way your thinkin here, maybe I was wrong about you. :)
     
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  18. MG1

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    better for only some people. :)
     
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  19. crazyups

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    Federer's slam count skewed too much towards hard court.
     
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  20. MG1

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    nopes.. 2 out of 4 slams are on h/c its perfectly balanced.
     
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  21. WhiskeyEE

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    56% (9/16) of his slam wins are on hard court
    50% (2/4) of slams each year are played on hard court

    compare this to:

    60% (6/10) of Rafa's slam wins are on clay
    25% (1/4) of slams each year are played on clay

    sorry but no. If anything Roger's HC slam count is in perfect balance as the above poster said.
     
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