Raising money for Japan?

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  1. Tennishacker

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    I'm having a hard time understanding why there are so many organizations raising money for the people of such a rich country.
    Why are we not helping those in our country that need help first?

    Is there something I'm miss here?
     
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  2. zapvor

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    you obviously dont know how the world works. go research on that and you will have your answer
     
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  3. Tennishacker

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    Give me a hint
     
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  4. zapvor

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    just one tiny example that doesnt matter. if japan gets destroyed, there would be no PS3s being imported to other countries, including US. which means every best buy and other stores cant sell them, which means it lessens the amount of spending by consumers to help the economy. so best buy lay off more workers, which causes higher unemployment, which leads to lower GDP for USA. the cause and effect goes on and ripples from there nonstop. Now imagine if Honda cars are not being sold. thats billions of dollars lost....think how many products are engineered by japan. oh i dont know maybe some small companies like Toyota Sony Honda and just about every high tech device. it's 2011. everything is global. what happens 10K miles away affects the USA and everywhere else. Espcially if its Japan.
     
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    this is very basic econ101 principles. i assume you are just a teenager though so i can understand the naive question
     
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  6. zapvor

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    this is a very selfish view of the reason by the way. i would like to pretend that the reason so many countries are concerned is because they hate to see their fellow human beings suffer like this........
     
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  7. Tennishacker

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    But doesn't the government of Japan have money to help their people, I understand that the U.S. owes Japan something like 800 billion dollars?
     
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    yes. japan obviously have reserves for whatever. but the other issue comes into play is logistics, another more recent global phenomenm. some organizations such as red cross, nato, UN, have much more experience dealing with disaster relief. japan if you dont know is built based on a prevention system, not a reaction system. so when their prevention system failed, as it did this time, they are not as able as other organizations such as USA to manage the logistics of aid. if anything kudos to USA to be part of such a grand gesture of help, especially after what happened during WorldWar2. dont you think?
     
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    in fact the japanese have very high pride. if you read up on your history the last big quake in 92 japan actually refused foreign aid saying they can take care of it. personally i think japan will recover much faster and stronger than a place like haiti which is still in shambles to this day due to their disaster. haiti is nowhere as 'high tech' as japan, so
     
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  10. Tennishacker

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    Thanks for the insight!

    Good nite
     
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    i would argue more aid should be directed to haiti.
     
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    1995 actually.

    And they didn't refuse foreign aid, they initially refused foreign aid because they thought they had it under control, perhaps in a misguided act of pride from a country who considered itself highly organised/self-sufficient. That and a highly entrenched system of bureaucracy which existed in Japanese government which slowed decision-making even more when they were panicked (so much so the army wasn't even called to alert until 4 hours after the quake!!).

    As you said in your initial post above: "go research on that and you will have your answer".

    Anyway, I was interested in your view on the economic reasons for raising money for a country like Japan in this sort of disaster.

    The reason to give, and the reason people are giving, is that human suffering is happening. Short of being right there to help out, offering assistance by way of financial aid to NGOs is the most practical way to give support.

    I can see why people would think that because Japan is so wealthy they are somehow less deserving of help but the support they've shown when others have needed help demonstrates exactly why they should be offered help. (notwithstanding specialist nuclear energy help)

    It's a sad state but it is human nature for the visual pain/suffering you see on TV to have less and less impact on you over time. This is to the detriment of disaster such as in Haiti which become fading memories for most people sooner than they really should and lose much of the impetus and public sympathy towards aid efforts.
     
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  13. max

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    I found it interesting that a host of nations sent aid to New Orleans after hurricane katrina; the above poster's comments about aiding human suffering is apt.

    I'm wondering how Haiti is doing!
     
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  14. El Diablo

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    Haiti is a peculiar example. I heard an interview on NPR some months ago in which Haitians were saying "when is the rest of the world going to rebuild our country," with a real expectancy about this being done primarily by others. It made me understand better how it manages to be the only island nation in the Caribbean without a thriving tourist trade. (And poverty doesn't really explain it -- their equally poor island-mates in Dom. Rep. have developed a tourist trade.)
     
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    What ever negative happens to the economy or ecology in the world hurts us all.
    Reversely whatever positive helps.
     
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  16. Tennishacker

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    When a country suffers under a repressive regime as "Baby Doc" or "Great Leader", how can you not understand.
     
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    Baby Doc has been out of power for a quarter century. The fact that he returned recently to try to fill the vacuum of power is testament enough to the passvity of the Haitian people.
     
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    haiti makes one hell of a case study. they need saving
     
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